Jol Puts Faith In Spurs

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From Sky Sports...Martin Jol is backing his Tottenham Hotspur players to pick themselves up for the visit of Everton.

Spurs suffered a last-gasp defeat on the opening day of the season as Michael Chopra scored a late winner for Sunderland.
Jol acknowledged there was an air of disappointment within the dressing room after the game, but is confident his players will be in better form for Tuesday's clash with Everton.

"There was a good sign in the dressing room because they were all blaming each other," said Jol.

"The most important thing is that we pick ourselves up because it is a long, tough season.

"We had a bad start last season and we lost to Bolton on the opening day, but we picked ourselves up and that is what we have got to do again now.

"We have got to do better in midfield, up front and from the flanks as well.

"If you get a good start you have a very good foundation and you can build on that.

"Last year we had six new players in the line-up and it was different and we needed some time."

[onthetwo]

"There was a good sign in the dressing room because they were all blaming each other," said Jol.

hummm...hope that is indeed a good sign and not a sign of mutony..

[tony0379]

"We have got to do better in midfield, up front and from the flanks as well.

flanks what with tainio there?
get adel on the flanks tomorrow and stop fucking about
oh yeah drop jj and get boateng in thank you.

[gregga]

how is blaming each other a good thing? surely they should be blaming themselves..

[onthetwo]

sorry, mutiny....I think mutony is something to do with a dodgy curry!

[Treacle]

Obviously this doesnt sound good but maybe the players just feel very let down by one another. Jol has built up a very close dressing room and fingers crossed this is just the players venting their frustrations and will be dealt with quickly.

[JohnnyA]

Im sure it will be fine, it was the same slow start to the league last year we need to be fitter mentally and physically before the season starts not after 6 games! And we also need to win out 1st away game before xmas unlike last year, as after that first win we went on to win some gd games Man city 2-1 away, and fulham 4-0! COYS lets get going! Dawson loks like he might make it if players are fit id go with

Robbo
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Rocha
Taarabt Hudd Jenas Keane
Bent Berbatov

Any views?

[farrukh]

let's hope Jol indeed meant 'blaming themselves' rather than each other. It could've been a case of lost in translation...

[eddiebailey]

I think Jol meant it was a good sign that they were blaming each other rather than him...

[RogerTCB]

I'm glad they are pissed off with losing. I'd be upset if they weren't.

[tobyb24]

Im bit worried by Jols comments dosnt exactly sound brilliant that the players were blaming each other!

[Sam]

you have to laugh at that statement.

Blaming each other, yeah thats TOP MENTALITY. haha

[GazzasBelly]

Think he is trying to say he was pleased to see how unhappy they were with losing, that they are passionate about doing well.

[nav007_2000]

Come on chaps,
Who would you have in your team for tomorrow?

Robbo
Rocha Dawson Kaboul Chimbonda
Malbranque Huddlestone jj/boateng Taarabt
Berbatov and bent

[shao]

Im sure it will be fine, it was the same slow start to the league last year we need to be fitter mentally and physically before the season starts not after 6 games! And we also need to win out 1st away game before xmas unlike last year, as after that first win we went on to win some gd games Man city 2-1 away, and fulham 4-0! COYS lets get going! Dawson loks like he might make it if players are fit id go with

Robbo
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Rocha
Taarabt Hudd Jenas Keane
Bent Berbatov

Any views?

Best team of what we have available i think, except maybe robinson and cerny might be an interesting swap.

[Nick]

Obviously we wonna win tommorow but I'm looking for a much better performance as well not just about scraping one in. Everton are a very good hardworking team so we have to be.

[walworthyid]

Everton are a bloody good side and all thoughts of having KPB (who is not fit because of no pre-season) Taraabt and the Hudd in the same midfield are just plain silly.

I would go with,

Robbo

Chimbo,Daws/Kaboul, Kaboul/Big Tone, Rocha

Steeeeeed, Didi, JJ, Taraabt

Berbo, Bent

[walworthyid]

Best team of what we have available i think, except maybe robinson and cerny might be an interesting swap.

Why? He played well on saturday, was playing well towards the end of last season, why drop him?

[tobyb24]

Id go with:

Robbo

Chimbo Dawson (if fit, Kaboul, Rocha

Routledge, Didi, Huddlestone, Steed

Berba, Keane

[keepthefaith]

In picking a team tommorrow Jol has to take Arteta into consideration, meaning he has to almost play a player to just hold Arteta, he is really that good! If someone offered me Arteta for Bent, Bale and Kaboul I would take it.
We only have one player capable of man to man and that is Tanio so he will probably play him right again although I would rather be more positive and play Hudd/Zoko in the middle with Malbranque on the left, Keano comming in off the right with Berby/Bent upfront. Keep Adel on the bench.
Am looking forward to seeing Kaboul at WHL, hopefully Dawson will be back with Chimbo and Salty fullbacks.

[phatfreddy]

Well i've got me ticket for tuesday night, my line up would be..

Robbo

Chimbo..Dawson..Kaboul..Rocha
Steed..Huddlestone..Didi.. Jenas
Bent..Defoe

We should all know by now that MJ is not going to drop Jenas, no matter what. I'd go for Bent and Deofe, don't think the other two would get much change out of Lescott and Yobo after Saturdays showing.

[KingGusty]

I personally was impressed by Zokora, he played well and fought extremely hard. Disappointed with Berbs for once...I know he does have a laid back style of play naturaly but he didn't look happy at all. True he must have been getting pissed off by the lack of service. Also thought Kaboul had an impressive debut. Really hope the prince has some vision to play through balls etc. Oh, and how annoyingly good did Petrov look for City ?!:bang:

[KarsenToon]

With what we have available i would choose:

Robbo (Who i think has regained some good form)

Chimbo, Kaboul, Dawson, Rocha

Routledge, Jenas, Huddlestone, Tainio

Berba, Bent

[Kendall]

All words martin, all words


carbon copy of last year mate. Big egos after a good pre-season going up north with a divine right to win & then getting outplayed by a bunch of nobodies who wouldn't get near our squad.

I want action. I EXPECT 6 points at home against Neverton & Derby, what I want is for us to improve away form, I doubt that's going to happen at Old Trafford though, is it?

[smudger]

In picking a team tommorrow Jol has to take Arteta into consideration, meaning he has to almost play a player to just hold Arteta, he is really that good! If someone offered me Arteta for Bent, Bale and Kaboul I would take it.



:omg: arteta? who are you his dad or lover?

he really aint that good, he's not exactly messi is he? we are tottenham mate teams should worry about our players. hes good at set pieces thats about it, and as for swapping them players for him you must be mad.

:bang: god help us

[NeverRed]

Think he is trying to say he was pleased to see how unhappy they were with losing, that they are passionate about doing well.

I'm glad someone was clever enough to see that :clap: the amount of negativity and pessism is astounding on here!

[Davesko]

Arteta is brilliant and runs the show for Everton! Swapping him for Bent, Bale & Kaboul is a bit OTT yes, but I'd definitely rather have him in for JJ or Tainio. And I am a seemingly rare Spurs fan that actually likes both those guys!

[keepthefaith]

:omg: arteta? who are you his dad or lover?

he really aint that good, he's not exactly messi is he? we are tottenham mate teams should worry about our players. hes good at set pieces thats about it, and as for swapping them players for him you must be mad.

:bang: god help us


If you saw him play on Sat vs Wigan he ran the show, from the left! Ask an Evertonian how much they rate him and then you'll understand where Im comming from, its not just a question of him being better than Bent/Kaboul/Bale, its that he is exectly what we need at the moment, a playmaker who naturally plays Left.

This doesnt mean I think Everton are a better team or are going to beat us because they have Arteta but I look at their quality players and think we could do with him, like Sir Alex looked at Carrick and thought he could fit in at Man U.

[doom]

I hope jol can see that the 3 combined strike force took the shape out of the team and we lost the initiative at that point. I would go for the same team (plus dawson for gardner if fit) and not use a defender on the bench to be replaced by taraabt (we have cover defensively in huddlestone and zokoro just in case). We need experience at this stage of the season but I'd pop jenas on the right and tanio central.

We've played one game and these things do happen to the best teams - we just need to adjust back to our level at the end of last season. Us supporters need to get behind each player and the manager - it does not help to put unnecessary pressure on them at this stage.

[tony0379]

Back to the Jenas affair personally i think he must have a clause in his contract stating he starts when fit,or Jol is shagging him. It's one or the other
Your comments welcome

[JoeT]

Agree with your team selection 'Karsten Toon'. Also I see us having to be positive (and stop this blaming each other crap), work hard and really scrap for a result against a good Everton side.
If Berbatov gets pissed off so much that it affects the team attitude (and please everyone there is no blaming here).... maybe MJ should sub. him. Nobody is untouchable.

[1986mattspur1986]

omg y does every1 want berba in their team! after tht performance sat he deserbes 2 b dropped, dint luk 2 happy wen he was subbed either, id go with

robbo
chims daws kaboul berchiche (luk real gud in tht uder 18 tournament)
taarabt zoko teemu kpb
keano bent

[theMAXILOPEZpsycho]

surely Jenas must be dropped, I just can't understand anyone thinking otherwise; I'd also drop teemu and go with steed, Hudd, Zok, Adel

there's just a whole lot more goddamn creativity in that midfield; I feel were going to end up with it anyway, so lets -prey to God! - hope that Jol doesn't persist with the static, no-movement, poor passing loosers he turned out on saturday. Quite literally, it could be the undoing of his tenure as the spurs no1 if he does.

[gerrar]

Been two slow days of news huh.

Robbo

Chimbo, Dawson, Kaboul, Gardener/Rocha

Jenas, Zokora, Huddlestone, Steeeeeeeed

Berbatov and Bent

Lets all hope that Jenas turns up tomorrow, and not only in spirit..

[steve]

"We have got to do better in midfield, up front and from the flanks as well.

flanks what with tainio there?
get adel on the flanks tomorrow and stop fucking about
oh yeah drop jj and get boateng in thank you.

Boateng isn't fit you f*cking idiot!!! Have you ever seen him play?

[mart_loves_me]

Tuesday cant come quick enough it seems...

Robbo

Chimbo Kaboul Dawson Rocha

Malbranque Jenas Zokora Taarabt

Bent Berbatov

[Coyboy]

Idiotic comments regarding Arteta, he basically runs Everton's team. Also I don't really understand the need to replace Robinson. Can you fill us in mate? And Keane on the left?? Don't think so.

[KarsenToon]

Agree with all that Coyboy.

[chookz]

Boateng isn't fit you f*cking idiot!!! Have you ever seen him play?

Is there any need for this kind of language is this not a forum? If you can't handle suggestions please keep quiet. Everyone is entitled to an opinion hence forum.....

God I hate it when people in here think they know it all..but can't constuct a half decent comment without swearing and name calling

[tingy98]

If you saw him play on Sat vs Wigan he ran the show, from the left! Ask an Evertonian how much they rate him and then you'll understand where Im comming from, its not just a question of him being better than Bent/Kaboul/Bale, its that he is exectly what we need at the moment, a playmaker who naturally plays Left.

This doesnt mean I think Everton are a better team or are going to beat us because they have Arteta but I look at their quality players and think we could do with him, like Sir Alex looked at Carrick and thought he could fit in at Man U.

I think Bent/Kaboul/Bale is a bit OTT... I would rate all 3 that we signed as better than Arteta - because they are raw raw talent and have the potential to be superstars and it helps that they're at spurs :wink:

The point is that i think Arteta's quite happy where he is, doesn't want to leave and signed a new contract!! I'm sure that most teams would like Keane/Berbs/Lennon/King but actually signing these players are highly unlikely as they are pretty settled.

[Freddiehotspur]

Fickle fickle fickle fans... I can't be bothered anymore

[luisp]

It's a mutiny. Jol can fucking tell whatever excuses he wants, but i know its a mutiny.

Barton, Scott Parker, Benayoun, even Sidwell - just some of the names we could've use as creative midfileders. But we better buy Bent, he'll take use to the 4th spot.

[will8587]

omg y does every1 want berba in their team! after tht performance sat he deserbes 2 b dropped, dint luk 2 happy wen he was subbed either, id go with

So one bad game erases all of last season?!? Berbatov is our best player, even on a bad day. I don't know how benching him would make him any happier.

Robbo
Chimbo-Dawson(Rocha, if Dawson's not fit)-Kaboul-Stalteri
Malbranque-Zokora-Hudd-Taarabt
Bent-Berbatov

[nicko]

if didi plays a bit more like paul mcshane did on the opener for sunderland then i think he have a good strong chance! Arteta shouldn't be too much of a problem if we give him nospace. He's a creative talent... but also spanish few hard tackles go in and they lose intrest! heads up boys! I'm hoping for an 3-1 performance with berba bent and maybe boateng (if plays) or jenas

[mancman]

Mart_Loves_Me
Your team is exactly how i would have it. I really ccould not understand why ROCHA was left out on saturday , he has been our best defender pre-season. I do like Zokora but what really concerned me on saturday was the second half performance. The midfield was lost TAINIO,MALBRANQUE,ZOKORA & JENAS looked knackered. Fitness levels are a really concern
COYS
Mancman

[Pillbug]

Why the fack would everyone say to start Bent? Again, people spazzing and freaking out. Without any doubt we should start Keane and Berbatov. If either of the first two would be dropped on performance it would be the Bulgarian, and the style of Everton might see them mightily challenged by Bent's running stretching and challenging of their defense.

Suffice to say, though, the first game of the season is not the time to be 'punishing' any star players, and bent should wait his turn behind our first two until the season gets rolling and we might need some degree of rotation (it won;t be too lontg mind you). Keane was our best forward in the game, but none of them can truly be blamed as no one was effective supporting them from behind.

It does appear we will see some 3-forward formations given how often it was tried preseason and in this match. I'll excited to give it a look, although our midfield, as noted, might ultimately cause the at least temporary shelving of this tactic. We just need at least one more class central or defensive midfielder or the money spent of Bent will have been for naught.

And KPB? Why is it that whenever we get a new player that appears to be skilled, some members of the community start yelling for their immediate insertion into the lineup as if they know the player is great or ready to play? I remember one post last season that went something along the lines of "BAE is a total left winger, and will be rampaging u and down the left touchline, destroying defenses." Egads!

[Berbati]

Agree with your team selection 'Karsten Toon'. Also I see us having to be positive (and stop this blaming each other crap), work hard and really scrap for a result against a good Everton side.
If Berbatov gets pissed off so much that it affects the team attitude (and please everyone there is no blaming here).... maybe MJ should sub. him. Nobody is untouchable.

I'm prone to agree with this comment. If Berba's antics harm team's spirit, then he should not play, simple as. But doesn't it imply that unhappy Berbs is useless, i.e., that it's better to sell him? If he is pissed off on the pitch, he wouldn't feel happier on the bench. Sorry, but no player in the world is so stupid to snub Man U in order to sit on the bench for a non-CL club. To drop him when he feels angry for not getting good service is to kill his desire to play here. Obviously, such a move would make him feel even unhappier. Thus the dilemma is: play him or sell him. To bench fit and wanting to start Berbs isn't a good decision. The only thing that can make him happy is scoring or creating winning goals. Obviously, he couldn't do it from the bench.

[smudger]

If you saw him play on Sat vs Wigan he ran the show, from the left! Ask an Evertonian how much they rate him and then you'll understand where Im comming from, its not just a question of him being better than Bent/Kaboul/Bale, its that he is exectly what we need at the moment, a playmaker who naturally plays Left.

This doesnt mean I think Everton are a better team or are going to beat us because they have Arteta but I look at their quality players and think we could do with him, like Sir Alex looked at Carrick and thought he could fit in at Man U.


yeah i see what you mean, although if you looked at fulham steed used to run the show there, just because he looks good playing for them dont always means he's good, maybe its just coz he's was in my dream team last year and done shite for me ha ha ha

still wouldn't swap him for them 3 though. i think bale and kaboul are what we need, agree we need left wing but i think if you asked most fans they wouldn't want think he would be the answer. and whats to say bale won't play left wing for us? i hope he plays left back though coz boy do we need him

[nicko]

Why the fack would everyone say to start Bent? Again, people spazzing and freaking out. Without any doubt we should start Keane and Berbatov. If either of the first two would be dropped on performance it would be the Bulgarian, and the style of Everton might see them mightily challenged by Bent's running stretching and challenging of their defense.

Suffice to say, though, the first game of the season is not the time to be 'punishing' any star players, and bent should wait his turn behind our first two until the season gets rolling and we might need some degree of rotation (it won;t be too lontg mind you). Keane was our best forward in the game, but none of them can truly be blamed as no one was effective supporting them from behind.

It does appear we will see some 3-forward formations given how often it was tried preseason and in this match. I'll excited to give it a look, although our midfield, as noted, might ultimately cause the at least temporary shelving of this tactic. We just need at least one more class central or defensive midfielder or the money spent of Bent will have been for naught.

And KPB? Why is it that whenever we get a new player that appears to be skilled, some members of the community start yelling for their immediate insertion into the lineup as if they know the player is great or ready to play? I remember one post last season that went something along the lines of "BAE is a total left winger, and will be rampaging u and down the left touchline, destroying defenses." Egads!


not because of his performance on saturday i would have played bent from the start to be honest i can see him reallt streaching the defence on tuesday but fair comment bout him playing better the DB.

[2bearis2do]

BBtv loves wingers, he loves getting in the box, he loves crosses. No wonder he hated Saturday!

[nicko]

Jenas can try really hard sometimes i remember him last season running the full length of the pitch...only to miss an open goal but that really isn't thhe point he can play well but in costantly incossitant(can you be constantly incossitant?) and then sometime he turns into jenas the penish when he tries he fancy flicks that go terribley wrong or his god-awful shots that are frankly just embrassing! Jol trusts him to much and needs to be less strict about formations. I remeber when he play a more attacking style against chelsea and were 3-1 up and were playing the best football that season. I think he needs to be more experimental with players and tatics to see where we realy can get but he' the manager not me so lets just trust his judgement for now and see what happens.

[st@rbug]

Oh the joys of supporting Spurs, its happening already. We aint gonna make top 4 imo, unless we get the midfield working. btw how comes Routledge wasn't even in the squad ?

[TheDutchMaster]

robbo

chimbo dawson kaboul rocha

hudds zokora kpb

keano

bent berba

[Jonesey]

Actually Boateng IS fit ... ish - he had just returned from his wedding, er, 'excesses' and therefore "was not ready for the game" as far as Jol was concerned - i know this from a reliable source.

if he doesn't play against Everton we know Jol is still pissed at him.

[chico]

Yeh , Saturday was a stinker , we all agree on that ,but I've read plenty of defeatist crap today. Sunderland away was always going to be a tricky fixture , and 5 defenders missing was never going to help at all. Lets give BMJ and the team a proper chance to get things right tomorrow. You know that Everton are gritty ,determined and efficient . But we are at home , the players are rightly pissed off with Saturday's result , and will want to put it right as soon as possible. Let's give them full and vocal support . I see no point barracking and jeering certain players, it certainly wont make them play any better. One preview on another site tonight is suggesting the crowd could turn quickly tomorrow if things start going wrong . That's shite , lets get behind the team and put Saturday behind us.

[Yidatron]

We've got to stop this panicking. There is no mutiny, there is no crisis. It was just one game! No way taraabt is ready to start against a tough team like everton. Those talking about dropping berbs and/or keane have v short memories! Lat season, berbs almost always looked disinterested away from home. he'll come good at the lane. Keane is one of our most consistent players...its just that he's a striker not a bloody left winger!

I went to the torino game and routledge didnt convince, despite the poor quality opponents...he's def not going to do the biz for us against everton.

We need to hang tough and let the boys sort it out:

.....................Robbo..................

Chimbo....daws/tony....kaboul....rocha

Jenas....Tainio....zokora....malbranque

.........berbs.......keane..........

Sounds v boring I know....but does anyone hacve any realistic alternatives? To be controversial: despite being a good passer, i worry that the hudd is a bit of a fanny...I dont trust him to get stuck in in the middle.

[jenko]

good post Yidatron!

Most of you guys are on drugs, theres no doubt about it...

Jol should play the EXACT same team again (except have Daws in if fit and have taarabt on bench) and tell them what he expects. Give them a chance to redeem themselves.

You lot want players dropped at the start of the season to disrupt the whole squad and take the wheels off our season before its got going!!!! I mean what kind of shit are you snorting? It's bad for you - give it up!

[theoldguy]

I like TheDutchMaster's line up except that I'd go with Stalteri instead of Chimbonda. At least Stalteri plays as though he wants to be out there.

[2bearis2do]

robbo

chimbo dawson kaboul rocha

hudds zokora kpb

keano

bent berba


I LIKE IT A LOT!
:beer:

[spurs2dn]

We have 3 left sided players and they are all not available? What happened to Essot-Akotu?

[StokeSpur]

Im sure it will be fine, it was the same slow start to the league last year we need to be fitter mentally and physically before the season starts not after 6 games! And we also need to win out 1st away game before xmas unlike last year, as after that first win we went on to win some gd games Man city 2-1 away, and fulham 4-0! COYS lets get going! Dawson loks like he might make it if players are fit id go with

Robbo
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Rocha
Taarabt Hudd Jenas Keane
Bent Berbatov

Any views?

Yes here's a view..
I am fed up of people saying ohh never mind we always have a bad start, fuck that! if you want to finish in the top four, if you want to call yourself a big club, if you can sit there and say we have the best manager in the prem then for 1 we have to beat the likes of Sunderland home and away.

people can disguise it all they want, people can blame Chimbonda for losing his man, people can blame keano for bringing the ball back in to his own half from the halfway line, people can blame Stalti for not stopping the cross comming in but for me theres only one person to blame for the loss and that Jol, oh but hang on he is faultless, we cant blame the big jolly man so who does the blame fall on.. ohh never mind we always start badly, that will do for an excuse.

Jol needs to learn and quickly.
His selection was negative and poor, his bench was even worse, his substitutions were bemusing.

If Teemu isnt good enough to play the whole game out on the right then why fkn start him there? why play Gardner over Rocha? Why start keane when Bent would have been ideal for this match and if you thought Keano was good enough for midfield why didnt you start him there?

I dont give a shit for playing players out off possition, i dont give two shits for 'total football' were not Ajax and this isnt Holland.

HE is not beyond critisism.

Yes he's honest, yes he's funny but if you want a comedian in charge then lets appoint Lee fkn Evans.

The thing that worries me is if he continues with his current selection the talent we have brought to the club, that is not being given a chance, will evenrtually become disorientated with life at Spurs, Taarabt would have put the fear of God up Sunderland, Routledge would have been better than Teemu down the right.

Its time to stop being false and start asking if Jol IS the man to take us to the next level.

[will8587]

We've got to stop this panicking. There is no mutiny, there is no crisis. It was just one game! No way taraabt is ready to start against a tough team like everton. Those talking about dropping berbs and/or keane have v short memories! Lat season, berbs almost always looked disinterested away from home. he'll come good at the lane. Keane is one of our most consistent players...its just that he's a striker not a bloody left winger!

I went to the torino game and routledge didnt convince, despite the poor quality opponents...he's def not going to do the biz for us against everton.

We need to hang tough and let the boys sort it out:

.....................Robbo..................

Chimbo....daws/tony....kaboul....rocha

Jenas....Tainio....zokora....malbranque

.........berbs.......keane..........

Sounds v boring I know....but does anyone hacve any realistic alternatives? To be controversial: despite being a good passer, i worry that the hudd is a bit of a fanny...I dont trust him to get stuck in in the middle.

I'm not panicking, I just think we were overmatched by a weaker squad. I don't think the solution to our many obvious and apparent problems (lack of creativity, width or any offensive threat) is to keep at it. It didn't work vs Sunderland, and it definitely won't work vs a superior Everton team.
I'm not in favor of benching the whole squad, but, rather, switching a few players who might remedy our lacking midfield.
I disagree with your assessment of Taarabt. He performed very well in the ample playing time in the preseason. Everton might not be the ideal team to face in his first start, but I think he's up to the challenge, and if not, he can always be subbed out, but we must give him a chance sometime. Why not now?

[pistolP]

Im sure it will be fine, it was the same slow start to the league last year we need to be fitter mentally and physically before the season starts not after 6 games! And we also need to win out 1st away game before xmas unlike last year, as after that first win we went on to win some gd games Man city 2-1 away, and fulham 4-0! COYS lets get going! Dawson loks like he might make it if players are fit id go with

Robbo
Chimbo Dawson Kaboul Rocha
Taarabt Hudd Jenas Keane
Bent Berbatov

Any views?


Any views ?, yes Keane on the bench

[StuckinPoland]

Robinson
Chimbonda, Dawson (if fit), Kaboul, Rocha
Malbranque, Tainio, Zokora, Taarabt
Berbatov Keane

Cerny, Stalteri, Huddlestone, Routledge, Bent

If Dawson isn't fit, switch Rocha to centre and play Stalteri at left back bringing Gardner on the bench.

That team is solid enough and i think has enough creativity to break down Everton that only ever travel away from home looking for a point.

And yes, I know there's no Jenas. I just don't see what he offers us. If I want someone to run around a lot I'd play Paula soddin Radcliffe.

COYS !!!

[pistolP]

Back to the Jenas affair personally i think he must have a clause in his contract stating he starts when fit,or Jol is shagging him. It's one or the other
Your comments welcome

My friend if you say that again, i will burger you.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[will8587]

Yes here's a view..
I am fed up of people saying ohh never mind we always have a bad start, fuck that! if you want to finish in the top four, if you want to call yourself a big club, if you can sit there and say we have the best manager in the prem then for 1 we have to beat the likes of Sunderland home and away.

people can disguise it all they want, people can blame Chimbonda for losing his man, people can blame keano for bringing the ball back in to his own half from the halfway line, people can blame Stalti for not stopping the cross comming in but for me theres only one person to blame for the loss and that Jol, oh but hang on he is faultless, we cant blame the big jolly man so who does the blame fall on.. ohh never mind we always start badly, that will do for an excuse.

Jol needs to learn and quickly.
His selection was negative and poor, his bench was even worse, his substitutions were bemusing.

If Teemu isnt good enough to play the whole game out on the right then why fkn start him there? why play Gardner over Rocha? Why start keane when Bent would have been ideal for this match and if you thought Keano was good enough for midfield why didnt you start him there?

I dont give a shit for playing players out off possition, i dont give two shits for 'total football' were not Ajax and this isnt Holland.

HE is not beyond critisism.

Yes he's honest, yes he's funny but if you want a comedian in charge then lets appoint Lee fkn Evans.

The thing that worries me is if he continues with his current selection the talent we have brought to the club, that is not being given a chance, will evenrtually become disorientated with life at Spurs, Taarabt would have put the fear of God up Sunderland, Routledge would have been better than Teemu down the right.

Its time to stop being false and start asking if Jol IS the man to take us to the next level.

Uhh, you seem to contradict yourself. You say it's solely Jol's fault for the loss, but then go on to criticize Tainio, Gardner and Keane's level of play.

Sure, Jol made some mistakes, but, ultimately, the players (whatever way they're arranged), at the very least, must take an equal share of the blame. Compare Sunderland with Spurs, player by player. We're better at every position! But you wouldn't have known that by watching the game. We need someone to really take the game by the scruff of the neck and pull it back into Spurs' favor, Jol can't force these guys to play passionate, determined football, because, again, its up to the players. Hopefully a leader will emerge (specifically at midfield), but it doesn't look promising.

[pistolP]

Is there any need for this kind of language is this not a forum? If you can't handle suggestions please keep quiet. Everyone is entitled to an opinion hence forum.....

God I hate it when people in here think they know it all..but can't constuct a half decent comment without swearing and name calling

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[pistolP]

Mart_Loves_Me
Your team is exactly how i would have it. I really ccould not understand why ROCHA was left out on saturday , he has been our best defender pre-season. I do like Zokora but what really concerned me on saturday was the second half performance. The midfield was lost TAINIO,MALBRANQUE,ZOKORA & JENAS looked knackered. Fitness levels are a really concern
COYS
Mancman

Galy could not hick the training at Birmingham because Spurs they do not train hard.

[luisp]

Yes here's a view..
I am fed up of people saying ohh never mind we always have a bad start, fuck that! if you want to finish in the top four, if you want to call yourself a big club, if you can sit there and say we have the best manager in the prem then for 1 we have to beat the likes of Sunderland home and away.

people can disguise it all they want, people can blame Chimbonda for losing his man, people can blame keano for bringing the ball back in to his own half from the halfway line, people can blame Stalti for not stopping the cross comming in but for me theres only one person to blame for the loss and that Jol, oh but hang on he is faultless, we cant blame the big jolly man so who does the blame fall on.. ohh never mind we always start badly, that will do for an excuse.

Jol needs to learn and quickly.
His selection was negative and poor, his bench was even worse, his substitutions were bemusing.

If Teemu isnt good enough to play the whole game out on the right then why fkn start him there? why play Gardner over Rocha? Why start keane when Bent would have been ideal for this match and if you thought Keano was good enough for midfield why didnt you start him there?

I dont give a shit for playing players out off possition, i dont give two shits for 'total football' were not Ajax and this isnt Holland.

HE is not beyond critisism.

Yes he's honest, yes he's funny but if you want a comedian in charge then lets appoint Lee fkn Evans.

The thing that worries me is if he continues with his current selection the talent we have brought to the club, that is not being given a chance, will evenrtually become disorientated with life at Spurs, Taarabt would have put the fear of God up Sunderland, Routledge would have been better than Teemu down the right.

Its time to stop being false and start asking if Jol IS the man to take us to the next level.
yep that is the thing man. ppl should start learning to call the things they see,and not make fucking excuses!

[SelbYido]

Yes here's a view..
I am fed up of people saying ohh never mind we always have a bad start, fuck that! if you want to finish in the top four, if you want to call yourself a big club, if you can sit there and say we have the best manager in the prem then for 1 we have to beat the likes of Sunderland home and away.

people can disguise it all they want, people can blame Chimbonda for losing his man, people can blame keano for bringing the ball back in to his own half from the halfway line, people can blame Stalti for not stopping the cross comming in but for me theres only one person to blame for the loss and that Jol, oh but hang on he is faultless, we cant blame the big jolly man so who does the blame fall on.. ohh never mind we always start badly, that will do for an excuse.

Jol needs to learn and quickly.
His selection was negative and poor, his bench was even worse, his substitutions were bemusing.

If Teemu isnt good enough to play the whole game out on the right then why fkn start him there? why play Gardner over Rocha? Why start keane when Bent would have been ideal for this match and if you thought Keano was good enough for midfield why didnt you start him there?

I dont give a shit for playing players out off possition, i dont give two shits for 'total football' were not Ajax and this isnt Holland.

HE is not beyond critisism.

Yes he's honest, yes he's funny but if you want a comedian in charge then lets appoint Lee fkn Evans.

The thing that worries me is if he continues with his current selection the talent we have brought to the club, that is not being given a chance, will evenrtually become disorientated with life at Spurs, Taarabt would have put the fear of God up Sunderland, Routledge would have been better than Teemu down the right.

Its time to stop being false and start asking if Jol IS the man to take us to the next level.

The problem with that post is it has that typical air of arrogance about it.

Its time to stop being false and start asking if Jol IS the man to take us to the next level.

...thus implying that everyone who disagrees is "being false". I'm genuine, REALLY FUCKING GENUINE, when I say I think Jol CAN take us to the next level. Obviously, I don't know any more than you do about what Jol was thinking when he selected that team but at a guess I'd say he thought a tough, well-organised Sunderland team would eat the likes of Taarabt for breakfast (wrecking his confidence in the process probably) & despite what he says, he doesn't seem to rate Routledge - two seasons of distinct mediocrity on Wayne's part would support that.

I agree that Tainio as a winger is not a great option - I hope he's not used there again - but to make the leap that because Jol opted to use more experienced options against a tough team away from home (perfectly sensible, without the luxury of hindsight), he has taken us as far as we can go & should depart is ridiculous IMO. And if you're saying you want rid of Jol just grow some balls & say so instead of all this "we should start asking questions" bollocks. If you want rid, say so but be prepared to fight your corner.

If he'd had Bale/BAE/LYP fit its entirely possible that one of those would have gone left & Steed would have gone right but they weren't so they didn't. And are you saying that the players played well but its just the tactics that failed? You can talk tactics all you like but the lads have to do the biz as well.

I think we'll see a different approach against Everton & if in the near future we start winning in style I'm sure many of the less panicky members will keenly await your retraction.

[SelbYido]

My friend if you say that again, i will burger you.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You'lldowhatnow?!!!Eek

[luisp]

BBtv loves wingers, he loves getting in the box, he loves crosses. No wonder he hated Saturday!
Amen

[StokeSpur]

Uhh, you seem to contradict yourself. You say it's solely Jol's fault for the loss, but then go on to criticize Tainio, Gardner and Keane's level of play.

Sure, Jol made some mistakes, but, ultimately, the players (whatever way they're arranged), at the very least, must take an equal share of the blame. Compare Sunderland with Spurs, player by player. We're better at every position! But you wouldn't have known that by watching the game. We need someone to really take the game by the scruff of the neck and pull it back into Spurs' favor, Jol can't force these guys to play passionate, determined football, because, again, its up to the players. Hopefully a leader will emerge (specifically at midfield), but it doesn't look promising.

read it again, i dont critisize their level of play i question there role in the team, picked by the master himself.

Compaire Jol to the top 4 managers and tacticly theres a massive gap.

Roy Keane managed to get his players up for the game, why couldnt Jol? i'll tell you why, noone takes him seriously, he's too busy cracking jokes than focusing how to beat the opposition away, every England fan in a Spurs shirt hammered Sven for the exact same nagative tactics were seeing away from the lane.
Well i'm sorry but nice guys come last, Jol needs to sort this out and fast.

[SelbYido]

yep that is the thing man. ppl should start learning to call the things they see,and not make fucking excuses!

More arrogance!

Those who constantly criticise are "calling it as they see" but those who think that actually, the season is not dead & buried & that Jol wil take us forward are "making excuses". I call it as I see it, I just see it differently from you.

Christ, I hope DM shows up soon to help me out - all this righteous anger gets really tiring!:wink:

[StokeSpur]

The problem with that post is it has that typical air of arrogance about it.



...thus implying that everyone who disagrees is "being false". I'm genuine, REALLY FUCKING GENUINE, when I say I think Jol CAN take us to the next level. Obviously, I don't know any more than you do about what Jol was thinking when he selected that team but at a guess I'd say he thought a tough, well-organised Sunderland team would eat the likes of Taarabt for breakfast (wrecking his confidence in the process probably) & despite what he says, he doesn't seem to rate Routledge - two seasons of distinct mediocrity on Wayne's part would support that.

I agree that Tainio as a winger is not a great option - I hope he's not used there again - but to make the leap that because Jol opted to use more experienced options against a tough team away from home (perfectly sensible, without the luxury of hindsight), he has taken us as far as we can go & should depart is ridiculous IMO. And if you're saying you want rid of Jol just grow some balls & say so instead of all this "we should start asking questions" bollocks. If you want rid, say so but be prepared to fight your corner.

If he'd had Bale/BAE/LYP fit its entirely possible that one of those would have gone left & Steed would have gone right but they weren't so they didn't. And are you saying that the players played well but its just the tactics that failed? You can talk tactics all you like but the lads have to do the biz as well.

I think we'll see a different approach against Everton & if in the near future we start winning in style I'm sure many of the less panicky members will keenly await your retraction.

And your post dosnt have an air of arrogance about it? all peoples opinions have that, its because they are saying things they passionatly believe in.
Wake the fuck up, its ppl like you who hold others back by making excuses for poor decissions.

I'm not affraid to say Jol got it wrong and i'm not affraid to critisize his tactics, yes he's the best weve had for years but he's miles away for a top 4 manager.

As for taarabt and Routledge... did you watch any pre season? do you not think that they could have held their own against a new, crap team like Sunderland? if my memory serves me they were the only two midfielders to score preseason and isnt that what you want in your side when theres a game to be won away? Sunderland were shit and we made them look good, what reason? you know the fkn reason, why cant you admit it?

Oh and trust me if i wanted Jol out i would say so...

[SelbYido]

And you post dosnt have an air of arrogance anout it? all peoples opinions have that, its because they are saying things they passionatly believe in.
Wake the fuck up, its ppl like you who hold others back by making excuses for poor decissions.

I'm not affraid to say Jol got it wrong and i'm not affraid to critisize his tactics, yes he's the best weve had for years but he's miles away for a top 4 manager.

Alright, I take your point on the arrogance thing, there's nothing wrong with believing in what you're saying. It just irritates me when I (or anyone else for that matter) get these implications that you must be mentally subnormal if you don't agree that Jol's a bad manager or that its blind faith to think we'll still have a good season.

I certainly agree that a wide formation is better but, as I said, I reckon Jol thought experience was preferable to taking unneccessary risks & that the team he picked would still be capable of doing the job. He was wrong & I hope he plays more positively in the future. But sack him after one match when we played some of the most positive attacking football in recent memory last season?

Who am I holding back exactly? I tend to think that sacking the boss every two years has been one of the biggest things holding us back over the last 10 years.

I tend to get the same sort of responses on the 'discussions' forum ie. trying to stick me in a "blind faith/PC idiot/whatever..." bracket but it won't work because, which is why that "ppl like you" thing seems daft to me. Save your breath trying to state what kind of person I am, as if you know the first thing about me, and take on the argument rather than the person.

I'm not afraid of criticising Jol either but I don't automatically make the leap that he's a spent force because we have one bad game. I didn't hear anyone calling for Fergie's head after a home draw against the mighty :-| Reading yesterday.

Let's just see what happens for a bit before we start calling for heads to roll & remember we are on the same side.

[SelbYido]

As for taarabt and Routledge... did you watch any pre season? do you not think that they could have held their own against a new, crap team like Sunderland? if my memory serves me they were the only two midfielders to score preseason and isnt that what you want in your side when theres a game to be won away? Sunderland were shit and we made them look good, what reason? you know the fkn reason, why cant you admit it?

Oh and trust me if i wanted Jol out i would say so...

Sorry, I missed this bit first time 'round, bit sleepy:sleepy: . For the benefit of those whose brains are still intact after my last interminable post I'll keep it as short as I can...

To answer your first question, no I didn't see much of pre-season - I live in rural Yorkshire & am skint, thus no match tickets & no Setanta.

As I said, Taarabt was more than likely judged too risky against a tough, well-organised bunch like the Mackems & many on here must have agreed - look back to the "Starting XI For Sat." threads in the forums - many picked a similar MF to Jol. On Routledge, the consensus was that despite scoring a goal in pre-season, he was otherwise toss throughout.

So to sum up, we should play wider where possible, I don't agree Sunderland are shit (I think other teams will find this out) & I don't have any problem with criticising Jol but give it time before the knives come out, eh?

'Night, mate...

[JoeT]

Good stuff 'SelbYido'; especially the 'taking on the argument rather than the person' bit.
Just to keep things a bit light (after all the tearing out hair and knashing teeth); you say that you live in "rural Yorkshire"....pray tell me: is there such a thing as 'urban Yorkshire'????

[spurs_viola]

Tuesday cant come quick enough it seems...

Robbo

Chimbo Kaboul Dawson Rocha

Malbranque Jenas Zokora Taarabt

Bent Berbatov

If your suggested line-up wasn't so reasonable, I would have suspected your real name was one J. Jenas...:wink: :wink:

[SelbYido]

Yeah, places like Chapeltown & Harehills in Leeds are quite urban although still surprisingly leafy! And whatever part of Donny that Danny Rose comes from - that's propa urban, ya get me, blud? Nang.;-)

Me, I live way out in the sticks though. Strictly Jack Russells & suspiciously small gene-pools out here mate...Eek

[spurs_viola]

On a much lighter - and much prettier - note: I thought the best moments in that Saturday Sleepy Horror show on Sky were when they showed the beautiful brunette next to Quinn in the directors box...In hindsight, how I wish the camera stayed on her rather than on the excuse of a football match there! :hello: :-)

[tananwat_w]

Well i've got me ticket for tuesday night, my line up would be..

Robbo

Chimbo..Dawson..Kaboul..Rocha
Steed..Huddlestone..Didi.. Jenas
Bent..Defoe

We should all know by now that MJ is not going to drop Jenas, no matter what. I'd go for Bent and Deofe, don't think the other two would get much change out of Lescott and Yobo after Saturdays showing.

That's exactly the team Jol is most likely to put in except for maybe Berbatov for Defoe. He will never drop Jenas no matter how poor he could play.

[tananwat_w]

Mart_Loves_Me
Your team is exactly how i would have it. I really ccould not understand why ROCHA was left out on saturday , he has been our best defender pre-season. I do like Zokora but what really concerned me on saturday was the second half performance. The midfield was lost TAINIO,MALBRANQUE,ZOKORA & JENAS looked knackered. Fitness levels are a really concern
COYS
Mancman

I was surprised not seeing Rocha on the pitch as well. Jol probably didn't like the idea that Rocha and Staltery were on at the same time. It's not physical fitness that concerns me. It's mental toughness that does. :beer:

[kc1669]

Tuesday cant come quick enough it seems...

Robbo

Chimbo Kaboul Dawson Rocha

Malbranque Jenas Zokora Taarabt

Bent Berbatov

Rumour has that Dawson could be out for 2 weeks........in that case Gardner or Salty would be playing. I suspect Everton would go for 4-5-1 as they did last season and hit us with counter-attack. I think we need to strenghten the midfield and the service of Tanio will be required.

We need to score early in order to force Everton to open up the game.........and the best way is to have Taarabt and Jenas as wingers to provide the width. So I would go for...

Robbo

Chimbonda, Kaboul, Rocha, Salty

Jenas, Tanio, Zokora, Taarabt

Bent, Berba

[dimitar81]

Couldn't agree more kendall