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xzander
14-08-2007, 01:20 AM
Apologies for the late report, following Saturday’s game I’ve developed something of a drinking problem. Anyway, here goes:

As Chopra’s low drive hit the back of the net the Stadium of Light went crazy. Three minutes of injury time allocated and Sunderland scored with two and three-quarters of them gone. This win equalled their record for the whole of their previous Premiership season in one go. The noise was extraordinary.

Within seconds the final whistle had gone, and amid the pandemonium around the ground, Spurs fans made for exits in much the same way as my dog does after a visit to the vet – i.e. with a very obvious keenness to get out.
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I felt guilty for not staying to acknowledge the players but a glance behind me showed I needn’t have bothered, the white shirts draining from the pitch like bathwater, the one exception being Robbie Keane, standing near the centre circle with his hands on his hips, aghast. <o:p></o:p>

Then I had to walk around the ground and back to the car, while Sunderland fans who five minutes before time had been singing “We’re staying up” and who were now excitedly yelling “Top of the League, man!” into mobile phones milled around me before making my way in heavy traffic through the village of Boldon, where happy Mackems were sitting outside the pubs in the warm sun with fresh pints of ale in their hands, clearly settling in for the afternoon. At this point, in a baking hot car, 185 miles from home, I decided my Saturday had gone quite badly wrong. <o:p></o:p>
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Let’s give credit to <st1:place>Sunderland</st1:place>. They’re a different club to the one relegated 16 months ago, with a well-organised, efficient side who will, in my opinion, comfortably survive in the Premiership. Spurs won’t be the only team to get mugged there this season. I admire the level of support the club enjoys from the locals–the stadium sits over the water from the city centre and whole families grow up going down to watch the team play. It’s a pleasant sight in a Premiership increasingly obsessed with ‘brand awareness’. <o:p></o:p>

But <st1:place>Sunderland</st1:place> did little more than remain solid, organised in numbers at the back, and play intelligently in finding and exploiting space going forward. They were an efficient side, with an impressive will to win, but nothing we haven’t seen before–to all intents and purposes this was a side geared to win enough points to stay up, nothing more.

The fact Spurs lost had much to do with their own display as well as the opposition’s. Put in the colourful language of a Scottish relation of mine, Spurs were ‘honking’ last weekend. <o:p></o:p>
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Rewinding the game in my head, it seems to have encapsulated the worst of the traits that Jol’s side have exhibited over the lest few years. Gifting of goals and valuable points in the final minute. Conceding ground and possession to the opposition as they push up in search of a goal.

The irritating thing about that goal was that the Spurs fans could see it coming a mile off – it’s happened too many times for it to be surprising. Spurs played the game at half pace, as if they’d already scored three. They almost looked surprised on 75 minutes when the score was still 0-0, and then couldn’t mount a convincing assault on the opposition goal.<o:p></o:p>
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Individually, no-one distinguished themselves. Robinson looked his normal self after a summer off, and though Chimbonda played well in defence he wasn’t as aggressive as he should have been on the overlap. Kaboul looks the business–strong, agile, lung-busting runs forward to scare the shit out of the opposition, that sort of thing. <o:p></o:p>

Stalteri looked like he was holding things together for most of the game, but still looks like a man battling against every instinct to control and pass the ball. He defended OK until he got turned inside out in the 93<sup>rd</sup> minute and it all fell apart – from the other end of the stadium I saw his wildly raised leg in a gesture of hopeless surrender.

<st1:city><st1:place>Gardner</st1:place></st1:city> misplaced passes and headers all afternoon. I’m increasingly convinced he’s the Tim Henman of football – likeable chap, enough talent to do a job, but just not good enough for the top level. Watching him this weekend made Curtis Davies seem like a knock-down bargain. <o:p></o:p>

In midfield, I’m increasingly sceptical about Jenas and Zokora’s ability to play together. They both do the box-to-box thing quite well, but I’m getting unsure about what they both bring to the team. I’d like to see them rotated and used with other midfielders so they do their main job well instead of both doing the same job badly.

And quite what the whole midfield were doing so damn narrow I do not know.

From the start it didn’t seem like we had the players to take men on and stretch the opposition on the flanks – was Taraabt injured? Malbranque got a couple of useful balls in, but other than that we were depressingly mundane, content to shift the ball around in front of <st1:place>Sunderland</st1:place> rather than take them on. No pace, no cutting edge, and the strikers looked more content to try to walk the ball in rather than make a yard and have a shot, which is exactly what the much less expensive Chopra ended up doing.<o:p></o:p>
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It was a depressing day out, made worse by the distance we’d all had to travel and the team’s seeming disinterestedness in proceedings, coupled with the team tactics which assumed we’d overrun Sunderland without much trouble.

The debacle on Saturday carries uncomfortable echoes of the last time we visited, when another Stalteri-engineered last minute implosion resulted in a damaging result. Yes, we had half a defence out, but that’s no excuse for a performance so inept.

We’re now three points behind three of the big four with one game played and that gap won’t be closed anytime soon. The only vaguely positive thing to be said about the whole performance would be that a result which could have been described as ‘mediocre’ five minutes from time was turned by a swing of Chopra’s boot into one which was completely unacceptable, thereby ensuring a demand for drastic and immediate improvement.

The team’s apology to the fans and the club now has to start tonight.

stemark44
14-08-2007, 02:59 AM
I can't disagree with anything you have written in that piece and for Jol's sake lets hope the apology does start tonight.

JoeT
14-08-2007, 03:02 AM
Well if nobody will at least post a response to a well written article, I will. 'exander' that was as good a subjective (i.e. how most Spurs fans felt), article about last Saturday's game as I'm likely to read. The gloom was Dickensian!!
Added to that, your criticsm of the team and some individual players seemed to be measured and not overly hysterical...well done.
I am suitably depressed, but like most on here look forward to Tuesday. KOYS!

JoeT
14-08-2007, 03:04 AM
Oh! It should be COYS; (I did the yiddish version KOYS.)

RickyVilla
14-08-2007, 03:18 AM
I listened to the game on the radio and fell asleep it was so uninspiring. Woke up with 10 minutes to go and wish I had stayed asleep. There was no pushing it all just seemed to be very laid back as if the result would fall into our laps. I have a feeling tonight will be different ( I am only saying that because it is my first game of the season!)

rem01
14-08-2007, 04:31 AM
Good summary and all-around good post.

batigol
14-08-2007, 04:50 AM
Good post. Sums up most of what I feel and certainly reflected the game well. All my friends catching the game with me were bored to death and as the only Spurs fan, I was downright embarrassed.

I hope some changes will be made or at the very least more effort put in as it will be very very disappointing to see the same formation with the same players putting in the same performance and getting the same results again.

N10toN17
14-08-2007, 08:56 AM
Very good post and spot on. I really hope MJ learns from this and we see a more positive Spurs away from home, he'll probably change the side tonight and we'll probably be more lively, but it should have started last saturday.

Kendall
14-08-2007, 09:05 AM
Pretty much summed up as I felt stood in that stand on 93mins.

KingKeano
14-08-2007, 09:30 AM
Good post mate!
Maybe everyone should have left posting replys for a few days, prehaps they wouldn't all be so doom n gloom and jol doesn't know what he's doing ect!!
Anyway back on track tonight!!

--------Robbo------------
Chim--kaboul--rocha--ifil/stalt
---------Thudd-------------
malb------------------tarabt
---------KEANO------------
----Berb--------Bent------

Sub--cerny--gardner--jenas--kpb--defoe

worth a go?:-)

C.O.Y.S.

onthetwo
14-08-2007, 09:45 AM
we have a good squad that lacks cohesion..if I were Levy I'd lock Jol and Commoli in a room together for a week so they come to some kind of plan as to the way forward because there are a few glaring defficiencies in the current arrangement, Zoko and Jenas being too similar, no left winger etc...SORT IT OUT QUICK.

keaneasmustard
14-08-2007, 10:03 AM
I think you've hit the nail on the head in there somewhere...being that its all well & good having 4 top class strikes but if you've got no-one to deliver a quality cross they are pretty redundant and ordinary at times.

tommyt
14-08-2007, 10:24 AM
8pm can not come quickly enough for me tonight as that poor performance needs exercised quickly.

I'll save my criticism of the team for another time as i'm still gutted and will refrain from being irrational. :((

JC-Rule
14-08-2007, 10:38 AM
Something has to change tonight or i'm gonna be furious. Not sure what, but something has to change, whether its players, formation or attitude. Maybe all three i don't know. If i were to put it in order of priorty, i'd say Attitude first, then players followed by the formation.
But please Jol change something, and don't wait until 87 mins have been played

ravo
14-08-2007, 10:44 AM
Good article mate, esp the point around Jenas and Zokora not being able to play together. I've been saying it for ages and it was blindingly evident on Saturday.

The Hudd should play with one of therm in the centre, or even, as mentioned above, play Keano behind the strikers, with any of the three.

With Lennon out, the left side of midfiled looks even worse, no go forward at all. Taraabt may be an option, as I understand that KPB is not quite 100% match fit yet.

Finally, I agree with you again and am sorry to say that Big Tone just isn't cutting it at the back. He's a likeable guy, but just not good enough. Play him on the left even, with Rocha in the middle.

I am going tonight and expect to see a huge improvement.

COYS

Kingstheman
14-08-2007, 10:44 AM
What annoys me most is that a few stories down it says - 'Jol - 'We've got it all'.'.


Please let us see it then.

fletch666
14-08-2007, 10:44 AM
Good post mate!
Maybe everyone should have left posting replys for a few days, prehaps they wouldn't all be so doom n gloom and jol doesn't know what he's doing ect!!
Anyway back on track tonight!!

--------Robbo------------
Chim--kaboul--rocha--ifil/stalt
---------Thudd-------------
malb------------------tarabt
---------KEANO------------
----Berb--------Bent------

Sub--cerny--gardner--jenas--kpb--defoe

worth a go?:-)

C.O.Y.S.

Have we got Ossie back managing us again? :grin:

Would prefer something like below as Rocha was fairly solid at left back when he played there last season, plus on past performances it normally takes Gardener a few games to get going, plus he has the pace to keep Johnson quiet. Zokora/Jenas could provide the energy in the middle with the Hudd knocking killer balls through for bent and berbs. Plus Steed and Adel scaring the crap out of them on the flanks.

------------Robbo------------
Chim--kaboul--Gardener--Rocha
------ Zokora/Jenas---Thudd-------------
malb------------------tarabt
----Berb--------Bent------

Paxtonite
14-08-2007, 10:46 AM
Good post.

I posted two columns last season about our midfield balance and whilst it kind of started to gel as the season went on, you couldn't help but feel that something was not quite right. You have a valid point about the Zokora/Jenas partnership, but whilst Jenas opta stats are surprisingly good (coupled with the fact that Jol seems to like him) i cant see that there is much hope of dropping him to the bench. Zokora on the other hand still looks like someone with much to offer that has not broken free yet. That said he was the only player on saturday (apart from perhaps Kaboul and Malbranque) who had any desire to up the tempo of the game.

We do lack creativity in midfield. It helps not that Hudd, Tainio, Malbranque, KPB, Taraabt et al are all really central midfielders who are kind of playing out of position. Their tendency is to come in field and that is why we end up so narrow. This only works if your full backs have the conviction to run forward and this was not apparent on saturday.

I also have an issue with Robbie Keane. Good player. Very talented. Done well in recent times, but as i mentioned yesterday he is best when he is on the end of moves rather than in the middle of them, as they tend to fizzle out into not very much when this is so.

We have a squad now and it has to be used to its fullest. There is no point starting with the same midfielders week in week out (or strikers for that matter). No time for favourites any more? Look at Benitez in Anfield. A squad of equals apart from maybe Gerrard and Carragher (for us that should read King and Berbatov). Everybody else should be interchangeable at any given moment.

Let's hope that our season starts properly tonight!

Jonesey
14-08-2007, 10:48 AM
Good summary - i echo most of what you said and particularly felt the bit where you said Spurs fans could see that goal coming a mile off.

I said they would score to my girlfriend 5 mins from the end and she replied, "no way - a draw would be bad but losing to Sunderland would be EMBARRASSING!"

It was undoubtedly our midfield which let us down, particularly on the flanks. They looked a better side than us for most of the game and a lot of this was down to their penetration going forward down the flanks via Edwards and Richardson (who we I think we should have bought). OK it didn't lead to much (ahem, except that goal at the end) but they looked a lot more dangerous than we did.

So, yet again, our problems are on the wings ... how many years have we struggled here?

The problem is, if I was Levy I wouldn't exactly be inspired to put my hand in my pocket for any more players based on Saturday's display ...

SteffenFreund
14-08-2007, 10:59 AM
Totally reflects my feelings. I was and still am gutted. I wonder if we'll ever learn from some of our mistakes.

I'm hoping for a different team to play this evening (not necessarily in personnel though)

adwanhussein
14-08-2007, 11:11 AM
Another very good post from XZ .I was touched by his description of the reactions of Spurs players and fans after the game.I don't care an iota for the reaction of Spurs players because they are paid handsome money to produce and clearly they were derelict on duty.I sympathise with the fans who filed sheepishy out of the Stadium of light after they made that arduous journey.Spurs players better produce tonight, because Champion League status is decided by those early season games.Wish them the best.

Yidatron
14-08-2007, 11:31 AM
[quote=Jonesey;560128]Good summary - i echo most of what you said and particularly felt the bit where you said Spurs fans could see that goal coming a mile off.

I said they would score to my girlfriend 5 mins from the end and she replied, "no way - a draw would be bad but losing to Sunderland would be EMBARRASSING!"

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Funny. My brother had his girlfriend over from the US and was trying to introduce her to the delights of spurs and the epl...he was just explaining the iron rule that spurs will always throw it away in the last minute, when in whistles the goal....

walworthyid
14-08-2007, 11:40 AM
As much as I agree with comments on Zokora and JJ I keep wondering how we managed to play so well at the backend of last season. What has changed? What is it that makes us produce these insipid performances away from home.

At home we look dynamic, even awesome at times, but away we look like a bunch of shitwizards!

Is it us, is it them, is it that bmj tells them to play in a different way? I just don't know.

What I do know is that unless we really improve our away form and lift the tempo of our performances we are going to really struggle to mount any kind of challenge for 4th place.

In the absence of Lennon I would like to see Taraabt given a chance. Just let him do his thing, he has the ability to see a pass, run at defences and generally unsettle teams with his skillfull, direct style. That is what we need, without the pace of Lennon to trouble teams, without the presence of a left winger, we are just too slow and pedestrian.

Unleash Adel, Everton won't know what has hit them.

2bearis2do
14-08-2007, 12:33 PM
One of the best posts I've read on here for a long while. Nice one. Post more reports!
I also agree with Walworth about Adel.

I think BMJ has a psychological 'how to play away' problem...

2 seasons ago with Carrick we had probably our best away season for a decade. We worked well as a unit, didn't concede many goals and picked up points. This is a good recipe for a decent league position.

Our home form (fingers crossed) is NOT the reason we don't break into the CL.

At the moment he simply can not get the formula right. Too narrow. Lack of creativity. Zok and JJ too similar and I hate to say it but BBtv loves playing AWAY in Europe but not in the EPL. (or is he simply ineffective due to the wrong formula?)

The truth is I really don't know. The worry is I don't think BMJ knows his best away formula either. Until he sorts this out, we simply won't realise any of our dreamy ambitions.

Shirtfront
14-08-2007, 01:09 PM
Good summary, but I don't agree that Zokora and Jenas can't play together. They showed in the second half of last season that they can. The point has got to be that they can't play together without the other two (or three) midfield positions being used to provide the creativity and guile that they both lack.

On Saturday it was simple: we had four central midfielders on the pitch, 3 of whom lack any form of real creativity and 1 of whom (Malbranque) is probably neutral in that regard, at best.

If we want the benefits of JJ and Zokoras athleticism then we need to compensate for their lack of creativity. They are not, and never will be, complete footballers. But that's why it's a team game. With both of them in the side, and particuarly their ability to get up and back, we can afford to play more adventurous players on the flanks. We could even think about having 3 up front (although I'm not sure I would play Keane in the playmaker role). But having them stuck in a narrow, congested midfield with no outlet and no space to run into is never going to work.

Lucky22
14-08-2007, 01:57 PM
What confused me about Saturday was the line-up. Would have liked to have seen Routledge in there and for us to have gone with a three-pronged attack - send out a positive message from the start.
Regarding Gardner I can't agree more. Watching the goal back he was so out of position that he had to jump backwards and to the side to even try and make connection with the cross. Obviously he missed and Chopra converted. I know we had injury problems, but surely we could have worked something out without having to rely on TG again!

2bearis2do
14-08-2007, 03:59 PM
What confused me about Saturday was the line-up. Would have liked to have seen Routledge in there and for us to have gone with a three-pronged attack - send out a positive message from the start.
Regarding Gardner I can't agree more. Watching the goal back he was so out of position that he had to jump backwards and to the side to even try and make connection with the cross. Obviously he missed and Chopra converted. I know we had injury problems, but surely we could have worked something out without having to rely on TG again!

You can't blame TG for that!! Blame the turning circle of Stalteri and the fact that he got ripely skinned by Wallace. If he could defend properly GArdner wouldn't even be a debate! On eof the first rules of defending, DONT LET THEM CROSS WHEN AT THE BYLINE.

Jesus it really ain't rocket science.

DC_Boy
14-08-2007, 04:46 PM
From what I've read and seen, at least 5 people got something wrong with Sunderland's goal - Keane apparently took the ball backwards, hudd apparently could have cleared but didn't, Salty got beaten, TG missed the cross, Chimbonda lost Chopra

2bearis2do
14-08-2007, 04:57 PM
From what I've read and seen, at least 5 people got something wrong with Sunderland's goal - Keane apparently took the ball backwards, hudd apparently could have cleared but didn't, Salty got beaten, TG missed the cross, Chimbonda lost Chopra

Nicely put. I just get bored of the AG bashing on this site. granted he ain't the best CD in the world. But its NOT always HIS fault!

davidmatzdorf
14-08-2007, 06:55 PM
From what I've read and seen, at least 5 people got something wrong with Sunderland's goal - Keane apparently took the ball backwards, hudd apparently could have cleared but didn't, Salty got beaten, TG missed the cross, Chimbonda lost Chopra

Yes, very much so. But the underlying issue is people's blinkered obsession with individual errors and insistence on attributing every opposition goal to a mistake by a named Spurs player.

Chopra's chance was actually quite difficult and he finished it with great confidence and calmness. We didn't lose the game because Huddlestone, Gardner and Stalteri made errors. We lost the game because we made virtually no clear chances of our own and, when we did, we wasted them.

Sunderland didn't create any really good chances either. But their striker scored his difficult chance and our strikers (and Huddlestone) didn't score theirs.

Surely Jol and co. knew that Sunderland would defend with organisation and determination. Our players did not have enough creativity on the day to overcome that. And we had no one on the bench (meaning Taarabt) who could add a match-turning spark (although Hudd came close).

I have a sinking suspicion that the reason we had 2 strikers on the bench and no creative midfielders had nothing whatsoever to do with tactics for winning the game. I think it was designed to keep the press from printing maliciously-motivated stories on which one of our 4 strikers was out of favour. Which sucks.

theMAXILOPEZpsycho
14-08-2007, 08:00 PM
henman was one of the top 10 tennis players in the world for a long stretch of his career; how does that constitute: not being able to perform at the highest level exactly??

Caribaussie
14-08-2007, 08:01 PM
Great post and it puts things into perspective.i was shattered for the whole weekend and god knows how you would of felt having gone all the way up there.respect to you mate.

davidmatzdorf
14-08-2007, 08:11 PM
henman was one of the top 10 tennis players in the world for a long stretch of his career; how does that constitute: not being able to perform at the highest level exactly??

Answer: parochial Anglocentric tennis semi-fans thinking that the sun rises and sets in Wimbledon.

In other words, it doesn't.

2bearis2do
14-08-2007, 08:46 PM
Yes, very much so. But the underlying issue is people's blinkered obsession with individual errors and insistence on attributing every opposition goal to a mistake by a named Spurs player.

Chopra's chance was actually quite difficult and he finished it with great confidence and calmness. We didn't lose the game because Huddlestone, Gardner and Stalteri made errors. We lost the game because we made virtually no clear chances of our own and, when we did, we wasted them.

Sunderland didn't create any really good chances either. But their striker scored his difficult chance and our strikers (and Huddlestone) didn't score theirs.

Surely Jol and co. knew that Sunderland would defend with organisation and determination. Our players did not have enough creativity on the day to overcome that. And we had no one on the bench (meaning Taarabt) who could add a match-turning spark (although Hudd came close).

I have a sinking suspicion that the reason we had 2 strikers on the bench and no creative midfielders had nothing whatsoever to do with tactics for winning the game. I think it was designed to keep the press from printing maliciously-motivated stories on which one of our 4 strikers was out of favour. Which sucks.

You really think that Jol would hinder a Spurs performance to appease the press?

Doubt it. Get off the whacky backy.