Levy faces mass demo by furious Spurs fans

[gaganelov]

Source: This is London
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Tottenham fans will launch a massive protest calling for chairman Daniel Levy to resign at their next home game against Bolton on
Sunday.

Standard Sport understands that a group of angry supporters have already organised 25,000 leaflets to be handed out at White Hart Lane before the match.

The literature calls on the company that owns Spurs, Enic — of which Levy is managing director — to sell its majority stake to new investors.

Protest organisers will ask home supporters to hold up the leaflets for the first five minutes of the match before concentrating on getting behind the team, who are now three points adrift at the bottom of the Premier League after yesterday's 2-1 defeat at Stoke.

Head coach Juande Ramos may have guided Spurs to the worst start to a League campaign in their history, but many supporters blame Levy for their plight. It is believed the rebel fans' group — which has been newly formed — will stage further protests after Sunday, while board members are set for a hostile reception from shareholders at next month's AGM.

Many fans are also angry that the Spurs chairman has yet to axe sporting director Damien Comolli, who has been responsible for signing most of the players since he was appointed in 2005 with little success.
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Comolli was sitting alongside Levy at the Victoria Ground, although the Frenchman's position is still believed to be vulnerable.

Levy refused to comment on Ramos's future yesterday, but it is understood that the club remain determined to stick by the Spaniard, who has three more years to run on a £4million-a-year contract.

[sheringmann]

Im so glad we sold Berbatov so that we can use all the money on buying out Ramos' contract..

What a waste of space!!

LEVY OUT! And take Comolli with you! You are a disgrace to this club and it deserves better!

[dan2706]

I dont think Levy is the problem, Levy has backed his managers with an awful lot of money. Made us a profitiable club regardless of player sales.

Yes it was his mistake to bring in Comolli, but Comolli has been the poison in Levy's ear. Get rid of Comolli, scrap the DoR system and invest in positions we so desperately need.

[Azrael]

I dont think Levy is the problem, Levy has backed his managers with an awful lot of money. Made us a profitiable club regardless of player sales.

Yes it was his mistake to bring in Comolli, but Comolli has been the poison in Levy's ear. Get rid of Comolli, scrap the DoR system and invest in positions we so desperately need.

Bullshit. If Levy really had backed up his managers with money he would be prepared to risk taking a loss to pay that little bit extra for the top players, which he has proved conclusively he can't do. Unless you're one of these people who things that doing "good business" is the most important thing.

[Chris12345]

Bullshit. If Levy really had backed up his managers with money he would be prepared to risk taking a loss to pay that little bit extra for the top players, which he has proved conclusively he can't do. Unless you're one of these people who things that doing "good business" is the most important thing.

Yeah, it's not like he spent £15 on Bentley, or £16m on Modric, or £8m on Gomes, or £8 on Hutton, or £10m on Bale, or £5m on Dos Santos, or £12m on Pavlychenko, is it...

Oh... :shrug:


Levy's main error was getting rid of Jol when and in the way that he did (in hindsight, a massive error, tho there was a significant minority of our support who agreed)... apart from that he's injected millions into the club... and still turns a profit...

[shortshelflife]

Yeah right. Let's all play the press's game for them. Let's give them all the 'Crisis Club Spurs' headlines they want. Let's buy into to their attempted demonization of Levy, Commolli or whoever.

We are all seeking answers for what's gone wrong, but does anyone seriously believe that demonstrating would lead to a change of ownership? Even if it did, does anyone seriously believe that this would change our fortunes on the pitch any quicker than letting Juande get on and do his job?

[vietnam1973]

please dont do this!! we need to stay calm i absoluetly hate this situation but i dont beleive getting rid of levy is the answer he has constantly backed every manager, he has big ambitions for the club, the only mistake he has made is the fact we didnt sign replacements for keane and berbs,

we need to get rid of comoli, it may buy ramos some more time but i beleive the DoF system just doesnt work, let ramos bring in some steel and experience and lets give em our full support, i really hopw we dont protest, we need to do theoposite and cheer on the team more than we ever have
COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!

[Azrael]

Yeah, it's not like he spent £15 on Bentley, or £16m on Modric, or £8m on Gomes, or £8 on Hutton, or £10m on Bale, or £5m on Dos Santos, or £12m on Pavlychenko, is it...

Oh... :shrug:


Levy's main error was getting rid of Jol when and in the way that he did (in hindsight, a massive error, tho there was a significant minority of our support who agreed)... apart from that he's injected millions into the club... and still turns a profit...

He still quibbled over Arshavin's fee and held out on Berbatov until the last minute without ensuring someone else wasn't in the bag...and for every one of the big signings you mention he was busy selling someone else to balance the books.....hardly a case of putting your money where your mouth is.

[Chris12345]

Yeah, i'm not going on Sunday, but if anyone sees these people, can they steal their leaflets and burn them please :up:

[Chris12345]

He still quibbled over Arshavin's fee and held out on Berbatov until the last minute without ensuring someone else wasn't in the bag...and for every one of the big signings you mention he was busy selling someone else to balance the books.....hardly a case of putting your money where your mouth is.

...not to make presumptions, but are you also one of the people who complains when ticket prices go up? :shrug:

[mil1lion]

Bullshit. If Levy really had backed up his managers with money he would be prepared to risk taking a loss to pay that little bit extra for the top players, which he has proved conclusively he can't do. Unless you're one of these people who things that doing "good business" is the most important thing.

Nonsense. Daniel Levy made the money available. Daniel Levy doesn't know a lot about the football side of things. He's a business man. Thats why he took on Damien Comolli. The busines side of things couldn't be better. Therfore, Daniel Levy is doing a great job. Its football matters that are the problem. Therfore, Damien Comolli is a bigger problem for us. Buying Bentley and Modric for over £30m was not a good move when we needed a holding midfielder and striker. I think Daniel Levy has done a good job as a whole with this Club. But he needs to change something soon if this form continues.

[yiddotilidie]

Levy backed his managers!?!?!?

What about how he stabbed Jol in the back?

[Chris12345]

Levy backed his managers!?!?!?

What about how he stabbed Jol in the back?

In recent times, the only mistake he's made (although, tbf, its quite a big one)... anyone involved in organizing this tell me what you plan to achieve? Other than making us look like retarded Newcastle fans? :shrug:

[Azrael]

...not to make presumptions, but are you also one of the people who complains when ticket prices go up? :shrug:
No. But I do complain when ticket prices go up and the football gets worse.

[StokeSpur]

I believe Levy made a huge mistake this summer, i believe he got greedy at the expence of the team, I believe that Commoli and the DOF should be scrapped, I believe Ramos is more than capable of managing a team of footballers that he has chosen, not ones that are picked for him.

I believe that Levy should hold his hands up, admit its his fault, admit where it has gone wrong and then sort it out. Firstly by making Commoli responcable for scouting for the acadamy and secondly by leaving the first team signings up to the manager.

I think Levy has done and always will do everything in his power to help Spurs but he has made some clangers, this latest one, if it isnt sorted soon, could set us back years and years.

I want Levy to stay, i want Ramos to stay but i want Commoli either relegated to head scout for the acadamy or sacked.

[mil1lion]

I dont think it was Daniel Levy's choice to sack Jol actually. I'm sure he was actually under pressure from the board to get rid of Jol and bring Ramos in. A choice that was made by Damien Comolli. At the end of the day, Frank Arnesen wanted Martin Jol at the Club. Damien Comolli wanted Juande Ramos at the Club. As soon as the Club started to dip in form, it was the perfect time to sack him. If this manager fails then it is Comolli who gets sacked. And its up to the new Director to decide on whether Ramos is the man or not.

[Chris12345]

I believe Levy made a huge mistake this summer, i believe he got greedy at the expence of the team, I believe that Commoli and the DOF should be scrapped, I believe Ramos is more than capable of managing a team of footballers that he has chosen, not ones that are picked for him.

Why do you think he is capable of this? He's never done it at a high level before?

And how is it Levy's fault that the players he's spent a lot of money on have forgotten how to play football... surely thats more Ramos/Poyet/Comolli's fault...? :shrug:

[LewishamSpur]

I think a protest against Levy could be very negative indeed! I worry that we turn this into the crisis that everyone else wants it to be. If anything positive does come out of this protest, if it does happen, is that it will make sure we buy big and bold in January.

[pistol14]

NONONONONONONO

What if we are 2-0 down after 5 minutes? (quite possible at the moment!) We need to get behind the team from the start...forget your protests we need to close ranks and support each other....i get the distinct impression that some spurs fans would quite like us to lose to bolton so that they have a point to their lives!

We desperately need to win this game....is this protest going to help us or hurt us?

:duh: Its madness

[Chris12345]

No it won't, Levy will make available what he believes is needed in January... some fans holding up leaflets in their £50 seats isn't gonna change that... it'll just make us look like Newcastle...

[gaganelov]

Chris12345, there is not free lunch. He made a number of mistakes and must pay the bill. Don't you see the desperate situation we are in because of him?

[jonnyrotten]

I don't like it - it would be much better spending the printing money on giving songbooks for the West stand and North Upper to encourage a bit of vocal support rather than the standard grumbles!

A Sing out for Spurs Campaign would be much more beneficial to all involved.

[Pillbug]

No it won't, Levy will make available what he believes is needed in January... some fans holding up leaflets in their £50 seats isn't gonna change that... it'll just make us look like Newcastle...

That is just stupid! (not calling YOU stupid)... we wish we looked like Newcastle. The time when Tottenham people could consider ourselves a big club of any value is over... say, almost 20 years ago. In that time Newcastle have run near the top, and they are obviously ahead of us now.... scoff at Newcastle all you like, but finding anything of merit right now is like looking for tasty in dried dog shit in the park. I'd be more proud to be a Bristol Rovers supporter right now.

[Chris12345]

That's the thing tho, he is paying the bill... people seem to think that at this moment in time Levy is in his office dancing around to "Greatest Air Guitar Anthems, EVER!" in his underwear surrounded by beautiful women sleeping in a bed of money from the Berbatov sale... he is no doubt just as concerned about the situation as we are, if not more, since, it is his millions on the line...

He will make the changes he thinks are necessary, without selling the club down the river... I personally would prefer Tottenham to exist until I die, rather than have some sugar daddy who fucks off as soon as the bubble bursts and ruins the club, or buys stuff with money we don't have (see; Leeds... Gretna...) and leaves the club in the shite...

Both West Ham and Portsmouth are by all accounts living beyond their means... its not inconceivable that one of them goes bust in the near future... but hey, they've had some short term success... would you prefer that?

[spurdownunder]

On Sat, the support from the traveling fans was first class. When the players walked out and 'when the Spurs go marching in' was being belted out, it was outstanding.

More of the same at the Lane on Sunday and surely this will be turned around. Sooner or later, we'll gel and start picking up some 3 pointers.

COYS

[infamousyiddo]

you cant blame ALL the blame on levy. EVERYONE has to take responsibility

Levy for trying to squeeze every penny for berba deal, commoli for not getting an extra striker in this season, and wasting money last, the players for not having no fight in them..and us fans (well not all of us) who boo teh team (talk abt kicking when down).

Lets fuck all the squabbling, at the end of the day what is it gonna achieve....DIDDLY thats what.

Lets get behind the lads and ramos on sunday and make our ground as hostile as poss for bolton, not fucking demonstrate against levy.....or can those of you who are planning to moan on sunday not see we are in the SHIT!!

[spurdownunder]

That is just stupid! (not calling YOU stupid)... we wish we looked like Newcastle. The time when Tottenham people could consider ourselves a big club of any value is over... say, almost 20 years ago. In that time Newcastle have run near the top, and they are obviously ahead of us now.... scoff at Newcastle all you like, but finding anything of merit right now is like looking for tasty in dried dog shit in the park. I'd be more proud to be a Bristol Rovers supporter right now.

Go support them then.

Are you forgetting our 2 consecutive best of the rest finishes or did you only jump on the Spurs bandwagon after we won the Carling Cup?

[spurdownunder]

you cant blame ALL the blame on levy. EVERYONE has to take responsibility

Levy for trying to squeeze every penny for berba deal, commoli for not getting an extra striker in this season, and wasting money last, the players for not having no fight in them..and us fans (well not all of us) who boo teh team (talk abt kicking when down).

Lets fuck all the squabbling, at the end of the day what is it gonna achieve....DIDDLY thats what.

Lets get behind the lads and ramos on sunday and make our ground as hostile as poss for bolton, not fucking demonstrate against levy.....or can those of you who are planning to moan on sunday not see we are in the SHIT!!

Good shout son.
:clap::clap:

[JamieM]

Alright, he f*cked up this summer. But Newcastle forced their owner to sell and nobody's buying- there's no end of it in sight and it means indefinitely dragging on with a caretaker manager, because everyone knows new owners like to appoint their own man.

No club owners are perfect but Levy isn't Shinawatra.

[Chris12345]

That is just stupid! (not calling YOU stupid)... we wish we looked like Newcastle. The time when Tottenham people could consider ourselves a big club of any value is over... say, almost 20 years ago. In that time Newcastle have run near the top, and they are obviously ahead of us now.... scoff at Newcastle all you like, but finding anything of merit right now is like looking for tasty in dried dog shit in the park. I'd be more proud to be a Bristol Rovers supporter right now.

Trophies won by Newcastle in that time - ZERO
Debts accumulated in that time - Circa £150m (thats double our annual turnover)

All that time with over the top reactionary fans who think that they deserve to be at the top of the league based on a short time spent there... fans protests etc, which, in the end, have proved a very bad move for the club...

Robson was doing pretty damned well with them, but no, they wanted more, because of Keegan's couple of seasons at the top (a lot of it thanks to the Shearer factor), so they had protests and forced him out... and now, a few years down the line looks like an absolutely shocking decision...

[Chris12345]

you cant blame ALL the blame on levy. EVERYONE has to take responsibility

Levy for trying to squeeze every penny for berba deal, commoli for not getting an extra striker in this season, and wasting money last, the players for not having no fight in them..and us fans (well not all of us) who boo teh team (talk abt kicking when down).

Lets fuck all the squabbling, at the end of the day what is it gonna achieve....DIDDLY thats what.

Lets get behind the lads and ramos on sunday and make our ground as hostile as poss for bolton, not fucking demonstrate against levy.....or can those of you who are planning to moan on sunday not see we are in the SHIT!!

Exactly!

[DCSPUR]

Spurs and Powell

http://www.globalfutbol.com/2008/10/20/638710/spurs-powell-the-redskins

[adwanhussein]

Levy is caught in a catch-22 situation,he travelled incognita with his retinue to Madrid to solicit the services of a laid back manager to replace a very popular and successful dutchman at WHL,A CPA he might be ,a successful entrepreneur he definetly is.But his tactics on the pitch are erratic and ill advised and that could be his nadir.I lay the blame at his feet for the plight of Spurs ,and if he is to get rid of Ramos ,the payoff will be in the neighbouhood of fiftten million.Does money grow on trees at WHL ,the money spent there would tax the resources of Bill Gates or Buffet or an oil sheikh ,and all of this to languish at the bottom of the table.Spurs definetly deserve better and their shareholders deserve better.

[infamousyiddo]

That is just stupid! (not calling YOU stupid)... we wish we looked like Newcastle. The time when Tottenham people could consider ourselves a big club of any value is over... say, almost 20 years ago. In that time Newcastle have run near the top, and they are obviously ahead of us now.... scoff at Newcastle all you like, but finding anything of merit right now is like looking for tasty in dried dog shit in the park. I'd be more proud to be a Bristol Rovers supporter right now.


:bang: you are a muppet!! newcastle bigger than spurs!!! hahaha!!
go and buy a man citeh shirt man!

[noiseboy55]

I'm really no looking forward to the game sunday, especially if theres going to be all this levy out nonsense going on - we need to get behind the team, listen to the atmosphere the Stoke fans created for their team yesterday - we need to do the same thing. Make WHL a fortress again. With all this negativity we bring the team down and make it easy for the away team.

[Chris12345]

.Spurs definetly deserve better and their shareholders deserve better.

Levy is the effectively the joint majority shareholder... his (well, His and Joe Lewis') ENIC own 80% of Spurs, Sugar still has a few shares, and the rest (around 5-10%) are in the hands of fans, in very small numbers...

[Chris12345]

I don't like it - it would be much better spending the printing money on giving songbooks for the West stand and North Upper to encourage a bit of vocal support rather than the standard grumbles!

A Sing out for Spurs Campaign would be much more beneficial to all involved.

Yeah, why not make some good come out of this situation, rather than making it worse!

[rooster1]

When you ark back to this time last season we were pretty much in the same position, only this year its worse. Is it bad karma that we sacked
MJ in the most dispecable way ?

What if the diet plan and extra training has been incorporated into other
teams plans ? Then we are on a level pegging.

At the moment Ramos has to make the most of what little we've got.
WE have some skill , but no muscle.

WE need to stick to a game plan everyone is committed to. At the mo
I think we are better suited to everyone behind the ball and counter.

The playmaker in the midfield is crucial here. Huddlestone and Bentley
serve this bill here. Where else is it going to come from ?

BTW Levy has to make a decision soon and he isn't going to sack himself,
Is he ? He already shunted the blame on Comolli for MJ's departure.
I bet you how much that DC leaves by mutual consent.
Because if he sacks him it won't look good on the players,btw,this was
planned in advance imo.

COYS.

[Woody10]

Think we are all in agreement the DoF has to go, not sure who else does it but i know that both us and Newcastle do and look at the state of us!!

I think the DoF should be just a chief scout. ie Arnesen. The person has nothing to do with the 1st team but scouts for young talent both HOME and abroad.

Yes Levy has invested lots of money, that doesnt solve anything unless you spend it on the right players and players who play in positions we need to strengthen!!

Camolli out, DoF scrapped and Ramos to take control of all 1st team duties!! Hopefully he gets Davids and Fruend to play in the middle to get some fight back!!:razz:

[rooster1]

That's the thing tho, he is paying the bill... people seem to think that at this moment in time Levy is in his office dancing around to "Greatest Air Guitar Anthems, EVER!" in his underwear surrounded by beautiful women sleeping in a bed of money from the Berbatov sale... he is no doubt just as concerned about the situation as we are, if not more, since, it is his millions on the line...

He will make the changes he thinks are necessary, without selling the club down the river... I personally would prefer Tottenham to exist until I die, rather than have some sugar daddy who fucks off as soon as the bubble bursts and ruins the club, or buys stuff with money we don't have (see; Leeds... Gretna...) and leaves the club in the shite...

Both West Ham and Portsmouth are by all accounts living beyond their means... its not inconceivable that one of them goes bust in the near future... but hey, they've had some short term success... would you prefer that?

What about the millions of pounds Spurs supporters have put out on the line . That's forgotten . Spurs supporters have every right to protest.
Look at the pathetic war for oil in the Middle East. Look where we are, high
oil prices , big money for the rich, people dying, WTF.

[birdm]

Levy has made huge decisions and most of them have been wrong.

If i had the time i would love to lay out all the stats as i know it would make Levy look pretty cr@p.

All you on here blaming Commoli, Ramos & the tea lady are wrong. Levy has hired these people so he takes the blame.

Levy sacked our most successfull and loved manager. (in recent times)

Levy sold our best players not because they didn't want to play for us, because he wanted his profit. If we refused to sell berbs, keane, defoe & carrick, they would all be playing for us now and would have to get on with it like Barry and Ronaldo.

Levy wanted the European set up so i am afraind you live by the sword you die by the Sword. IT hasn't worked and £400m and 8 managers later,it's a proven failer

If you had brought in a TOP MANAGER to MANAGE the club, combined with the money we have spent, i am sure we would be a top four side by now

Levy,You are the weekest link Goodbye.................

[Chris12345]

And I will protest, as soon as someone convinces me that anything good at all can come of it...

I don't understand your point about people dieing and oil? :shrug:


Also, we haven't put millions 'on the line', we've bought some match tickets... you get to see matches with them... you haven't got a 'stake' in Spurs... (unless you do, in which case, unless your name is Levy,Lewis or Sugar, it's not very significant)

[Chris12345]

Levy sold our best players not because they didn't want to play for us, because he wanted his profit. If we refused to sell berbs, keane, defoe & carrick, they would all be playing for us now and would have to get on with it like Barry and Ronaldo.


O yes, I remember how much Berbatov loved playing for us and never ruled himself out of a match to get his 'dream move, and how Keane definitely didn't have a tantrum to get his 'dream move'... and all those interviews with Carrick saying how he wanted to stay at Spurs more than anything but that nasty Mr Levy kidnapped him and dumped him at Old Trafford...

Defoe, wanted to go because he wasn't playing...

[freedy50]

Levy is caught in a catch-22 situation,he travelled incognito with his retinue to Madrid to solicit the services of a laid back manager to replace a very popular and successful dutchman at WHL,A CPA he might be ,a successful entrepreneur he definetly is.But his tactics on the pitch are erratic and ill advised and that could be his nadir.I lay the blame at his feet for the plight of Spurs ,and if he is to get rid of Ramos ,the payoff will be in the neighbouhood of fiftten million.Does money grow on trees at WHL ,the money spent there would tax the resources of Bill Gates or Buffet or an oil sheikh ,and all of this to languish at the bottom of the table.Spurs definetly deserve better and their shareholders deserve better.

One of which was Paul Kemsley who left rather quickly! Him leaving doesnt appear to have made any difference to the whole situation in which he was part of the cause. A year later & we're still no further forward!

From an article in The Telegraph from October 2007
Tottenham will announce today that vice-chairman Paul Kemsley is to quit the club.

Officially, Spurs say the property millionaire is resigning to concentrate on business interests in America. He began distancing himself from Tottenham last year when he resigned from the board of the club's parent company.

But Kemsley's position had become untenable after he was caught holding talks with Sevilla coach Juande Ramos in Spain at the end of August.

The story prompted a crisis for Spurs and manager Martin Jol's position at White Hart Lane remains in serious jeopardy. Kemsley was later forced to apologise for causing "damage" to Jol.

Kemsley, a close friend of Joe Lewis, the Bahamas-based billionaire who owns Tottenham's controlling company ENIC, was also the driving force behind plans for a move to a new stadium.

A Tottenham spokeswoman said last night that those plans remained unaffected by Kemsley's departure. But his resignation will create fresh uncertainty over Tottenham's future, with many City observers expecting chairman Daniel Levy to eventually cash in on ENIC's 82 per cent stake in the club.

[birdm]

What about the millions of pounds Spurs supporters have put out on the line . That's forgotten . Spurs supporters have every right to protest.
Look at the pathetic war for oil in the Middle East. Look where we are, high
oil prices , big money for the rich, people dying, WTF.

Fool.. he is MANAGING DIRECTOR. He does not own the club! The club is Ultimately owned by Joseph Lewis. Therefore Daniel Levy can be Sacked and a new Managing Director can come in, Thus new Chairman at Spurs.

I say bring in a slient chairman then hire a top MANAGER. I would love Harry Redknapp or Jol back.

We are never going to be a top four team so lets get back manager that can hairdryer the players in English and can talk to the fans and make us feel good.

[birdm]

O yes, I remember how much Berbatov loved playing for us and never ruled himself out of a match to get his 'dream move, and how Keane definitely didn't have a tantrum to get his 'dream move'... and all those interviews with Carrick saying how he wanted to stay at Spurs more than anything but that nasty Mr Levy kidnapped him and dumped him at Old Trafford...

Defoe, wanted to go because he wasn't playing...

Oh and Ronaldo didn't hide in Portugal, and Barry didn't hide from the villa fans?? They both wanted away from their clubs but both of them are having great seasons and giving there all.

If we would have just kept them all for a couple of seasons then we would have cracked the top and they would want to stay.

[StokeSpur]

Why do you think he is capable of this? He's never done it at a high level before?

And how is it Levy's fault that the players he's spent a lot of money on have forgotten how to play football... surely thats more Ramos/Poyet/Comolli's fault...? :shrug:

Is Europe a high enough level for you?

Also, i think if levy was to come out and say 'i am to blame' it would ease the pressure on the manager and the team a bit.

When we play relaxed we play good enough football to compete with anyone.

[Chris12345]

Oh and Ronaldo didn't hide in Portugal, and Barry didn't hide from the villa fans?? They both wanted away from their clubs but both of them are having great seasons and giving there all.


Exactly, they're giving it their all... Berbatov ruled himself out for a match in an effort to get his move... Keane had a hissy fit and started disrupting our training camp in Spain (allegedly) not exactly 'giving their all', infact, quite the opposite... Barry would have moved to Liverpool had they met Villa's valuation... it just happens they couldn't shift Xabi, and chose Keane over him...

And Ronaldo had an operation did he not? And I'm sure playing for the best club in the world helps his decision a bit...

[NorfolkSpurs]

One thing's for sure - there's no one on the planet more keen to sort this out than Levy. He's obviously moving to sell the club and there's no chance of doing that if there's a risk we'll be relegated.

So what's the fix? No idea and judging by the above no-one else has either - although I always find it amazing how a complete lack of judgement or knowledge doesn't stop people having really strong views.

As for a protest - what a daft idea. Nice headlines for The Sun, entirely pointless in every other regard.

[Chris12345]

Is Europe a high enough level for you?


One season at Malaga, in which he did about as well as he's currently doing with Spurs... not exactly 10 years managing a Champions League side...

[riversmonkey]

Things have gotten so bad I'm warming to suggestions of Sam Allardyce as manager and the tenacious Egyptian Hossam Ghaly pulling the strings in midfield.

SOS

[rooster1]

And I will protest, as soon as someone convinces me that anything good at all can come of it...

I don't understand your point about people dieing and oil? :shrug:


Also, we haven't put millions 'on the line', we've bought some match tickets... you get to see matches with them... you haven't got a 'stake' in Spurs... (unless you do, in which case, unless your name is Levy,Lewis or Sugar, it's not very significant)

Protest !? I take it your generation doesn't know what it means Chris1234.No disrespect to you mate, but between our posts it it evidently true. If you have a stake in Spurs you are a season ticket holder or you buy a ticket, Is that not a stake ? Because you have little money
compared to people like Levy, does that make them richer than us combined. NO. WE are the life blood not them. The point about oil and
more importantly life is protest ! An end to profitable war. Do you get
the gist ?

The only stake I see now is one through the Hart. Is that signifant.

[Michey]

Yeah right. Let's all play the press's game for them. Let's give them all the 'Crisis Club Spurs' headlines they want. Let's buy into to their attempted demonization of Levy, Commolli or whoever.

We are all seeking answers for what's gone wrong, but does anyone seriously believe that demonstrating would lead to a change of ownership? Even if it did, does anyone seriously believe that this would change our fortunes on the pitch any quicker than letting Juande get on and do his job?
:clap:

Very good post!! Please listen do this guy and don't "play the press's game"!

:pray:

[trowy]

please dont do this!! we need to stay calm i absoluetly hate this situation but i dont beleive getting rid of levy is the answer he has constantly backed every manager, he has big ambitions for the club, the only mistake he has made is the fact we didnt sign replacements for keane and berbs,

we need to get rid of comoli, it may buy ramos some more time but i beleive the DoF system just doesnt work, let ramos bring in some steel and experience and lets give em our full support, i really hopw we dont protest, we need to do theoposite and cheer on the team more than we ever have
COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!

Spot on, too much negativity wont help the players. Lets not turn into newcastle please people

[ernmacleur]

Yeah great stuff, point the finger at Levy, that'll help. I doubt that Levy would agree with every decision he has made during his time at the club, but lets not forget, unlike many other Chairman at PL clubs, he has the best interests of the football club in mind. How can people say that he did the wrong thing by milking the most out of Man Utd when it came to the Berba deal? Is that greed on his behalf, or is it him playing hardball and ensuring we don't have the pish taken out of us?

I can hand on heart state that I would prefer our club to be ran like someone like Levy, than a billionnaire owner who gives the manager a blank cheque book but expects instant success.Everyone needs to stop panicking!

[rooster1]

Fool.. he is MANAGING DIRECTOR. He does not own the club! The club is Ultimately owned by Joseph Lewis. Therefore Daniel Levy can be Sacked and a new Managing Director can come in, Thus new Chairman at Spurs.

I say bring in a slient chairman then hire a top MANAGER. I would love Harry Redknapp or Jol back.

We are never going to be a top four team so lets get back manager that can hairdryer the players in English and can talk to the fans and make us feel good.
ERR Who are you calling a fool ? I haven't put us at the bottom of the league. Some people on here think that DL is indestructable/beyond human. Take it back bird brain.Tool. HR .. ha ha ha. MJ.. Ha HA Ha.
Wake up and smell the pot. Who doe suggest to run the team ?
Viddal Sassoon ? LOL.

[guate]

Levy royally screwed up by not giving his managers the transfer targets THEY asked for, believing either that he knew better or that Commoli did and look at the mess that has now caused.
Levy let Carrick go because he wasn't willing to negotiate with him a new contract (until it was far too late) offering more money, while Man Untd, were more than willing offering him what HE thought he was worth
Levy sacked Jol, after being caught out by the international press wooing Juande Ramos, in the most despicable manner.
Levy allowed Berbatov and Keane to leave, when they were on long term contracts, and neither he or Ramos had the balls to stop them as did Fergie with The "diver" or O'Neiil with Gareth Barry (also Liverpool simply didn't have the money at that moment).
In his desperate desire to make money Levy, at the club's expense has been touting Spurs around for a while now, asking ridiculous prices, which, due to our present situation TOTALLY caused by his greediness in driving "hard" stupid bargains, along with the above mentioned mistakes, has seen all his work backfire in his greedy face.
Levy hired Commoli.
I do respect that he's a magnificent businessman, but football wise, he's as dumb as the rest of us.

Having said all the above, I do not think that we should get rid of Juande, the cancerous Levy /ENIC are the ones that need to go and I, for one, will be supporting the LEVY OUT, domonstration scheduled for the next home game.

[Boaman]

Anyone would think we were French

I don't see how protesting will help our plight, what can possibly change that is going to make a difference?

I would like Levy to come out and say something, I think when we started badly last year he came out and said he expected more so why is he not doing it this year?

In times like this one needs to know that we have strong leadership, it's not showing on the pitch so it would be useful to know we are strong off it.

Levy is the best man for the club IMO

[BringBack_leGin]

Fool.. he is MANAGING DIRECTOR. He does not own the club! The club is Ultimately owned by Joseph Lewis. Therefore Daniel Levy can be Sacked and a new Managing Director can come in, Thus new Chairman at Spurs.

I say bring in a slient chairman then hire a top MANAGER. I would love Harry Redknapp or Jol back.

We are never going to be a top four team so lets get back manager that can hairdryer the players in English and can talk to the fans and make us feel good.

Joe Lewis really in know way owns Spurs. At all.

He owns Enic. Enic own Spurs. But Enic and Joe Lewis are seperate legal persons (i.e to sue Enic would not be to sue Joe Lewis). Enic have a chairman, Daniel Levy, who I believe does a very good job for them. Therefore, Enic, when deciding who is chairman of Spurs (something they get to do because they own Spurs) would most likely do so based on the wishes of the man that runs them, Daniel Levy.

Now, if Daniel Levy feels that the best man to chair Tottenham Hotspur FC PLC is Daniel Levy, then that is just who is going to chair Tottenham Hotspur FC PLC. The only way Levy can be removed as chairman at Spurs is if the shareholders of Enic remove him as chairman at Enic, which is unlikely seeing as he does a bloody good job for them. Therefore, by continuing as chairman of Enic, he gets to decide on whomever he wants Enic to make chairman of Spurs, which, since Enic took full control of Spurs, has been himself.

You want Levy out, one of two things you (or anyone else) can do. Find the money to buy a majority shareholding in Spurs, or find the money to but a majority shareholding in ENIC. If you can't do that, you just have to accept the decisions of ENIC, and right now that means accepting the decisions of Daniel Levy.

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As for the original post, i do hope that no members of this site are fool enough to get involved in such a thing. I'm all for protest in an appropriate manner, but denying the team support when they so badly need it is not an appropriate manner and will only serve to make things worse. If the stadium is silent because of protesting fans on sunday you'll very audibly head one young man ranting and raving at refereeing decisions, castigating opposition tackles and cheering every single touch of every single spurs player, i can guarantee you that people!

[birdm]

Exactly, they're giving it their all... Berbatov ruled himself out for a match in an effort to get his move... Keane had a hissy fit and started disrupting our training camp in Spain (allegedly) not exactly 'giving their all', infact, quite the opposite... Barry would have moved to Liverpool had they met Villa's valuation... it just happens they couldn't shift Xabi, and chose Keane over him...

And Ronaldo had an operation did he not? And I'm sure playing for the best club in the world helps his decision a bit...

Once the transfer window was closed they would have settled down and go on with there job and we would be far better off than we are now.

Thats right, they didn't meet villas valuation because villa know they couldn't replace barry for silly money. same with us, we paid £15m for a striker and got a poor man crouch

[rooster1]

Levy royally screwed up by not giving his managers the transfer targets THEY asked for, believing either that he knew better or that Commoli did and look at the mess that has now caused.
Levy let Carrick go because he wasn't willing to negotiate with him a new contract (until it was far too late) offering more money, while Man Untd, were more than willing offering him what HE thought he was worth
Levy sacked Jol, after being caught out by the international press wooing Juande Ramos, in the most despicable manner.
Levy allowed Berbatov and Keane to leave, when they were on long term contracts, and neither he or Ramos had the balls to stop them as did Fergie with The "diver" or O'Neiil with Gareth Barry (also Liverpool simply didn't have the money at that moment).
In his desperate desire to make money Levy, at the club's expense has been touting Spurs around for a while now, asking ridiculous prices, which, due to our present situation TOTALLY caused by his greediness in driving "hard" stupid bargains, along with the above mentioned mistakes, has seen all his work backfire in his greedy face.
Levy hired Commoli.
I do respect that he's a magnificent businessman, but football wise, he's as dumb as the rest of us.

Having said all the above, I do not think that we should get rid of Juande, the cancerous Levy /ENIC are the ones that need to go and I, for one, will be supporting the LEVY OUT, domonstration scheduled for the next home game.

Right on Guate. Except ,Is he as dumb as the rest of us ? No. He is cleverer at getting money out of the rest of us. Sorry,I mean, Spurs-
peasants. If the fans all had a stake ,like at Barca and Madrid then that
is what you call football democracy.

[birdm]

ERR Who are you calling a fool ? I haven't put us at the bottom of the league. Some people on here think that DL is indestructable/beyond human. Take it back bird brain.Tool. HR .. ha ha ha. MJ.. Ha HA Ha.
Wake up and smell the pot. Who doe suggest to run the team ?
Viddal Sassoon ? LOL.

"MJ ha ha ha", why is that funny, his record speaks for itself.

Jols only error was the beggining of last season. This was not his fault as he did not get the players he asked for and the player he did have found out that Levy was already in bed with ramos after 2 games of the season and while Jol was our man.

[birdm]

Levy royally screwed up by not giving his managers the transfer targets THEY asked for, believing either that he knew better or that Commoli did and look at the mess that has now caused.
Levy let Carrick go because he wasn't willing to negotiate with him a new contract (until it was far too late) offering more money, while Man Untd, were more than willing offering him what HE thought he was worth
Levy sacked Jol, after being caught out by the international press wooing Juande Ramos, in the most despicable manner.
Levy allowed Berbatov and Keane to leave, when they were on long term contracts, and neither he or Ramos had the balls to stop them as did Fergie with The "diver" or O'Neiil with Gareth Barry (also Liverpool simply didn't have the money at that moment).
In his desperate desire to make money Levy, at the club's expense has been touting Spurs around for a while now, asking ridiculous prices, which, due to our present situation TOTALLY caused by his greediness in driving "hard" stupid bargains, along with the above mentioned mistakes, has seen all his work backfire in his greedy face.
Levy hired Commoli.
I do respect that he's a magnificent businessman, but football wise, he's as dumb as the rest of us.

Having said all the above, I do not think that we should get rid of Juande, the cancerous Levy /ENIC are the ones that need to go and I, for one, will be supporting the LEVY OUT, domonstration scheduled for the next home game.

Good post, at last someone on here who deals in facts.

[BringBack_leGin]

Good post, at last someone on here who deals in facts.

those are possible facts, but for every one of those points there is an alternative possibility. or do you have some insider info the rest of us have no clue about?

[kernowspur]

I agree with your reasoning Guate but I don't think a demonstration against Levy & Co will even register with them. When has Levy ever admitted he got anything with the club wrong?
Berbatov should have gone in early July and Keane told he was staying for at least a season.
What would do for a bit of Malbrnque's determination in midfield now!

[rooster1]

"MJ ha ha ha", why is that funny, his record speaks for itself.

Jols only error was the beggining of last season. This was not his fault as he did not get the players he asked for and the player he did have found out that Levy was already in bed with ramos after 2 games of the season and while Jol was our man.

BirdM. The reason I am laughing is because MJ isn't gonna drop his position in his managerieral status and come running back to us after we got rid him of in an embarrinsingly big styleee. If different peeps run the club, then maybe.

At the mo stick with Ramos. Let him sweat for his money .

[infamousyiddo]

, the cancerous Levy /ENIC are the ones that need to go and I, for one, will be supporting the LEVY OUT, domonstration scheduled for the next home game.


and what will that achieve? seriously??

I'll tell you what it will achieve, NOTHING!! other than make us look the london version of newcastle! do you want that?! to have our name dragged through the mud even further!!!

do u honestly believe that having a few thousand fans sing "levy out" will make him do an ashley??? cos i dont! he is running a profit making business (yes on the field is a problem but im talkin off it)

Would it not be better to use your vocal chords in a positive way, to help the team get three points that we so desperatley need?????

Jesus Dude! I know we are all hurting right now but doing a protest is not gonna help things can you and the other boo brigade not see this.

this is gonna fall on deaf ears, but i ask anyone who is planning to boo the team, DONT, get behind the lads!!!!

COYS

[BringBack_leGin]

"MJ ha ha ha", why is that funny, his record speaks for itself.

Jols only error was the beggining of last season. This was not his fault as he did not get the players he asked for and the player he did have found out that Levy was already in bed with ramos after 2 games of the season and while Jol was our man.

do not compare ramos with jol when i say this because i am well aware of ramos mistakes as well, but i'd like to remind you of some other Jol mistakes which did mean that, regardless of what you think of Ramos, he was probably not the man to take us forward:

Blind faith with certain underperforming favourites like Jenas and Zokora.

Playing players out of position in roles clearly not suited to them (Lennon on the left of a 442, which is completely different to being on the left of a 451; Mendes, Tainio, Brown, Davids out wide)

Negative substitutions which made us go deep and lose leads, like Berbatov and Lennon off when 3-1 up away to Chelsea in the quarter final of the FA cup being a prime example.

Giving Keane 7 or 8 games at a time to find form, but only ever giving Defoe 1 or sometimes just a substitute appearance. Or worse, if Defoe came in and was scoring while Keane was injured (like in the middle of Berba's first year), dropping Defoe the moment Keane was fit.

If, in fact, player that he did not ask for were bought instead of whom he needed, then he acted incredibly weakly in allowing this to happen.

Constant negative comments to the press about our ambitions. Even Sam Allardyce said he wanted to WIN THE LEAGUE with BOLTON!

Now I loved Jol, but the second season we got fifth was more down to a clicking between Keane and Berbatov than it was to Jol. i give him full credit for the first season, but the second season only partial. From the middle of that season is when I began noticing the cracks he was creating, and by the beginning of last season, they had become very evident. I still do not regret that we sacked him. I just hope that Ramos doesn't make me regret that we hired him.

[Spurs Go Marching In]

How is it that us fans see what's wrong with the team but the board doesn't. For ages now we've never had a left footed winger, or a midfield destroyer, and we keep buying the same kind of players, attacking right footed midfielders. Now who's fault would that be? surely it's comolli that brings players in so to me he's the main culprit of this mess.

[gibb]

I will be at the game on sunday but no way will i be protesting against a man who spent about 70 million this summer on the squad.

Levy made mistakes holding out for an extra few million for the bulgarian but i am sure he wont make those same mistakes again & our business hopefully will be done & dusted early in the window next time.

Levy went out of his way to bring in a world class manager & spent a fortune on players so he deserves another chance to get things right.

Things are difficult enough recently without this shit....

[Wiener]

There are no quotes from or names of individual fans nor are there any references to any credible and established groups of spurs of fans regarding this supposed action. It may yet happen, but not yet.

This kind of action would be complete and utter madness right now and help destroy our great club. I am sure the vast majority of spurs fans will focus on supporting the players and helping us get out of trouble.

If there is a time for change, it is just before winter transfer window, probably just after the Manure home game. If anyone goes, it won't be Levy. It will be Ramos and Comolli.

I still think we can turn it around by mid december. We have 9 league games until then, of which 5 are home games.

As always the Spurs journey is a rollercoaster ride and sometimes it just all seems like a terrible nightmare where everything always goes wrong and gets worse.

A solid win for the mighty Spurs vs Bolton with a commanding performance by King, our captain, should do the trick and reverse the decline (and settle the nerves of some of our more fragile fellow spurs fans).

COYS - The only way is up

[parj]

with levy seemingly taking over all player purchase negotiations its better to have a proper scouting network. appoint a head scout and get some top scouts in many footballing nations as possible

[bones82]

PART1
The board made two mistakes,

one undermining Jol by going to see Ramos and getting caught and making his position untenable. Leaving no choice but to replace Jol with Ramos.

Ramos is a good manager.
But I am angry they had to undermine Jol in the first place and be stupid enough to get caught.
Thank F**k that Paul Kemsley has pissed off, and I'll never forgotten Levy and Kemsley laughing as Jol got sacked during the game against Getafe, with Comolli along side.
I would have been quite happy to see Levy and Comolli gone too at the time, having undermined my favourite manager since Venables.

But life goes on and Ramos seemed a good replacement having gotten into the situation where Jol's position was untenable. And hey it has been a roller coaster, a League cup and now the worst league start ever.

Maybe someone could right a spoof of a gooner going back in time, and giving us a virus before the West Ham match, and got Kemsley to undermine Jol.

Or a spurs fan in the future going back to find the source of the virus, and find a cure like in 12 monkeys, and to oust Paul Kemsley or any of Levy's men before they could undermine Jol.

[bones82]

Two not ensuring we had replacement strikers in place before selling our best two strikers, the speed of the Keano transfer was pretty fast yet we don't have a like for like replacement, but then again there is only one keano (Maybe he will come back like Sherringham).
Rebrov and Shevchenko weren't sold at the same time, Jo and Love weren't sold at the same time.
And how come we still don't have a replacement for Carrick, I'm a fan of Huddlestone but he is not getting picked.

I don't have the answers, but getting rid of the board like Newcastle doesn't seem to be a good option, at least our board didn't get rid of the fans favourite manager, oh wait, well at least they had a better replacement than Kinear.

We have also made some dubious transfers, did we really need Bentley when we have Lennon, and did we really need Modric when we have Jenas. Don't get me wrong they are good signings, but I would rather have a left midfielders and a defensive midfielder.

We also made some good signings in Hutton, Woodgate, and Corluka.

Let’s hope Modric and Pavlyuchenko turn into amazing signings, and Dos Santos one for the future.

Lets see if we can make it to January without anyone getting sacked (Comolli doesn't count), and see if we can sign 1 striker that can partner with Bent or Pavlyuchenko. 1 left midfielder, 1 defensive midfielder, maybe a left back as good as Hutton or get Bale on defensive practice. Vote for me to replace Comolli!!!
Could it only be that we are only lacking in 3 positions? And some time for the strikers to settle, and to work out what our best midfield/formation is?

I guess stadium announcements will be further delayed until our premiership status is secured.

Let's hope we can start to get some points, and finish the puzzle in January.
The beginning of the end or the end of the beginning?

I'm hoping for a win, I'm taking my girlfriend to her first Spurs game against Bolton, don't make me regret it!

COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!

[sheringmann]

When is the right time to protest?????

When it doesnt go bad?????

WAKE UP PPL!!!!

[fieryjack]

When is the right time to protest?????

When it doesnt go bad?????

WAKE UP PPL!!!!

You want to protest? go and support fucking Newcastle. Its a complete waste of time. What exactly do you expect to achieve? Do you think Levy or Comolli will just hold their hands up and say "ok, you win, we`re off"? No they wont will they. It will just add to the medias glee at our, er, troubles. And fuck me are they loving it or what?

[pistolP]

Yeah right. Let's all play the press's game for them. Let's give them all the 'Crisis Club Spurs' headlines they want. Let's buy into to their attempted demonization of Levy, Commolli or whoever.

We are all seeking answers for what's gone wrong, but does anyone seriously believe that demonstrating would lead to a change of ownership? Even if it did, does anyone seriously believe that this would change our fortunes on the pitch any quicker than letting Juande get on and do his job?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[pistolP]

you cant blame ALL the blame on levy. EVERYONE has to take responsibility

Levy for trying to squeeze every penny for berba deal, commoli for not getting an extra striker in this season, and wasting money last, the players for not having no fight in them..and us fans (well not all of us) who boo teh team (talk abt kicking when down).

Lets fuck all the squabbling, at the end of the day what is it gonna achieve....DIDDLY thats what.

Lets get behind the lads and ramos on sunday and make our ground as hostile as poss for bolton, not fucking demonstrate against levy.....or can those of you who are planning to moan on sunday not see we are in the SHIT!!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[pistolP]

O yes, I remember how much Berbatov loved playing for us and never ruled himself out of a match to get his 'dream move, and how Keane definitely didn't have a tantrum to get his 'dream move'... and all those interviews with Carrick saying how he wanted to stay at Spurs more than anything but that nasty Mr Levy kidnapped him and dumped him at Old Trafford...

Defoe, wanted to go because he wasn't playing...

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[pistolP]

Fool.. he is MANAGING DIRECTOR. He does not own the club! The club is Ultimately owned by Joseph Lewis. Therefore Daniel Levy can be Sacked and a new Managing Director can come in, Thus new Chairman at Spurs.

I say bring in a slient chairman then hire a top MANAGER. I would love Harry Redknapp or Jol back.

We are never going to be a top four team so lets get back manager that can hairdryer the players in English and can talk to the fans and make us feel good.

Harry hand in the till Redknapp ?

[berbie38]

Bullshit. If Levy really had backed up his managers with money he would be prepared to risk taking a loss to pay that little bit extra for the top players, which he has proved conclusively he can't do. Unless you're one of these people who things that doing "good business" is the most important thing.
Yeah your right lets get back to days prior to Levy when we had high profile signings such as Tramezzani, Leonhardsen etc!!

[Jack2]

To protest isn't going to help our team to play better and finally take the first win of the season. To support will help them to do it.

I'm definitely not the right person to say if Levy has made major mistakes or not, but I think he knows and sees it himself if that is the case. And at least I would like to see him to take the responsibility of his (or boards?) actions rather by trying to sort things out than walking out and leaving the club in this mess.

Getting rid off Levy and Commolli (althought IMO he can go and Ramos should decide who he needs and who we sign) now won't actually help us at all. We need to get results before January with this team we have (in Jan we might sign someone to strenghten our squad...or not). That is Ramos's and Poyet's job ( and players' of course). And we as fans can help them doing this by supporting the team as much as we can.

COYS!! We will stay up!!!

[BringBack_leGin]

Yeah your right lets get back to days prior to Levy when we had high profile signings such as Tramezzani, Leonhardsen etc!!

let us not forget that absolute gem of a footballer ben thatcher

[Boaman]

1. Blind faith with certain underperforming favourites like Jenas and Zokora.

2. Playing players out of position in roles clearly not suited to them (Lennon on the left of a 442, which is completely different to being on the left of a 451; Mendes, Tainio, Brown, Davids out wide)

3. Negative substitutions which made us go deep and lose leads, like Berbatov and Lennon off when 3-1 up away to Chelsea in the quarter final of the FA cup being a prime example.

4. Giving Keane 7 or 8 games at a time to find form, but only ever giving Defoe 1 or sometimes just a substitute appearance. Or worse, if Defoe came in and was scoring while Keane was injured (like in the middle of Berba's first year), dropping Defoe the moment Keane was fit.


Mate, this could be Ramos too. I can't believe you can't see that.

1. They've both played the majority of our games this season, Ramos made Jenas captain. I would add that I think Zokora is the one player who has improved under Ramos

2. Bale left mid, Bentley left mid, Zokora centre back last season when we had cover. Steed chopping and changing etc

3. Lennon going off against Hull (or Wigan) when he was our best player. You even mentioned this in one of your posts, I recall. And I believe Berbatov was injured in that game anyway

4. Ramos gave Defoe no chance and then sold him

I'm not concerned about the 'who's better than who' argument to me they're inconparable. And what Jol achieved with us is undeniable.

Jol came in as a number 2 with little reputation and little experience with a big club and left with a significantly enhanced rep, whereas Ramos came in with one of the biggest rep's around and it's hard to say whether he will leave with an enhanced rep or not right now.

When we got Ramos I was convinced we got the right man and in the long term had done what was best for the club, I like you, hope he doesn't make me wrong.

[BringBack_leGin]

Mate, this could be Ramos too. I can't believe you can't see that.

1. They've both played the majority of our games this season, Ramos made Jenas captain. I would add that I think Zokora is the one player who has improved under Ramos

2. Bale left mid, Bentley left mid, Zokora centre back last season when we had cover. Steed chopping and changing etc

3. Lennon going off against Hull (or Wigan) when he was our best player. You even mentioned this in one of your posts, I recall. And I believe Berbatov was injured in that game anyway

4. Ramos gave Defoe no chance and then sold him

I'm not concerned about the 'who's better than who' argument to me they're inconparable. And what Jol achieved with us is undeniable.

Jol came in as a number 2 with little reputation and little experience with a big club and left with a significantly enhanced rep, whereas Ramos came in with one of the biggest rep's around and it's hard to say whether he will leave with an enhanced rep or not right now.

When we got Ramos I was convinced we got the right man and in the long term had done what was best for the club, I like you, hope he doesn't make me wrong.

i do see all that and i said in my post that this was not a comparison of jol v ramos because i am well aware of ramos mistakes as well. i said that specifically to avoid responses like this one, because i was just enforcing why i don't regret the departure of jol, regardless of what has happened since and with whom.

jol said berba was injured in that game, because he knew taht it was down to that substitution pretty much that we threw away a 2 goal lead. berbatov was playing and running like a wildebeast two games later (well, as much as berbatov ever did run) and he was clearly annoyed at being subbed. I remember this well.

And you are right, Zokora has improved, as has Lennon. Others seem to have gone backwards though (most notably Dawson, who had his best season the year before last).

Anyway, I did not intend this to be in anyway a post about Ramos. My point was merely a response to those who think the sun shines out of Jols ass.

[kicked]

I think Levy should definatly stay. However, he should just balance the books and have no interferance on who is signed. Say to the coach, you have x amount of cash for players, you buy them, i will help negotiate if you need me, however, you're the boss and i shall back you....now get the beers in!!

[kicked]

ps. i think Keano and Berba saved Jols skin on far too many occasions. MJ may have been sacked a lot sooner if he hadn't had them 2.

[strader]

Some fans are honestly think, spurs at the bottom will not sicken me but the thought of some spurs fans will.

Levy should GO
DC should GO
JR is no good, its time to GO
Jenas is crap
Bentley is rubbish
FANS wanting to protest

What the hell do you want from your club, if you don't like it then off to hell.
Rather than thinking of been the 12th man and raise the roof, make the hairs on the bolton players stand.

SUPPORT YOUR BLOODLY TEAM FOR F SAKE. MOds sorry but this is getting really silly.
I know its a forum but some people have nothing in their heads.

Do you honestly think protesting will help, do u think the club can just be sold to investors like that.

COM'on YIDS you are better than this...support the club as the club needs you now.

Once the whole crap is over, then we can protest all we want. the players are short on confidence and the last thing they need is FANS protesting. if DC gets sacked now what go will it be.

WE NEED FING STABILITY.

[Mogga321]

For fucks sake - this is the worst thing we could possibly do - wake up people we are in a relegation battle - Not really the best time for protests is it?!

Sunday is like a cup final - its win a bust - We need to take the roof off the Lane for 90minutes - there needs to be a wall of noice driving the team on

We have some of the best supporters in England - lets prove it - total positivity & lets wake up to some good headlines next Monday morning - I will be in the Park Lane singing my heart out

Lets raise the roof as only spurs can & make Sunday a glory, glory afternoon so the Cockeral will crow proudly once more

Come on you Spurs!!

[infamousyiddo]

Some fans are honestly think, spurs at the bottom will not sicken me but the thought of some spurs fans will.

Levy should GO
DC should GO
JR is no good, its time to GO
Jenas is crap
Bentley is rubbish
FANS wanting to protest

What the hell do you want from your club, if you don't like it then off to hell.
Rather than thinking of been the 12th man and raise the roof, make the hairs on the bolton players stand.

SUPPORT YOUR BLOODLY TEAM FOR F SAKE. MOds sorry but this is getting really silly.
I know its a forum but some people have nothing in their heads.

Do you honestly think protesting will help, do u think the club can just be sold to investors like that.

COM'on YIDS you are better than this...support the club as the club needs you now.

Once the whole crap is over, then we can protest all we want. the players are short on confidence and the last thing they need is FANS protesting. if DC gets sacked now what go will it be.

WE NEED FING STABILITY.

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[infamousyiddo]

For fucks sake - this is the worst thing we could possibly do - wake up people we are in a relegation battle - Not really the best time for protests is it?!

Sunday is like a cup final - its win a bust - We need to take the roof off the Lane for 90minutes - there needs to be a wall of noice driving the team on

We have some of the best supporters in England - lets prove it - total positivity & lets wake up to some good headlines next Monday morning - I will be in the Park Lane singing my heart out

Lets raise the roof as only spurs can & make Sunday a glory, glory afternoon so the Cockeral will crow proudly once more

Come on you Spurs!!

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[infamousyiddo]

for every single brain celled numpty that boos on sunday, the rest of us who care about this club should drown them out with support for the team, not just sunday but for the future.

I have not read ONE logical argument as to why they should boo, not a single one!!!!

[johnny two saints]

Even if I was considering taking my own "sack the board" sandwich board on Sunday I'd change my mind after it being orchestrated by the gutter press who just want to flog a few rags at our expense. Bunch of ambulance chasers!

[theoldguy]

Mr. Levy is the "money man" fronting Spurs and his business acumen has provided us with the wherewithall to buy a number of high priced players. O.K. in my book. Perhaps recognising his own lack of football expertise he appointed a Director of Football who may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread but who has negotiated deals to bring players to Spurs whom many of us believe(d) were/are worthwhile additions to our squad. I say "were/are" since it is way too soon to fully assess their value as the addition of so many players requires time for settling in and adjusting to a new manager and team-mates. As to Juande Ramos he too is adjusting to a league where we have four "super-teams" and a growing number of very good teams, this in contrast to the Spanish league where I believe the level of quality tails off significantly after the top maybe half dozen. Therefore I believe the time for us to react is at the end of this season when all will be that much clearer. In the meantime, as fans, especially those of you in England who spend your hard earned money to support our team, I'd say we have the right to grumble here on our web-site but at WHL or elsewhere we need to cheer on our team to encourage the greatest effort they can put out. The only thing in my mind right now isn't "poor me being hurt by my team" it is "COME ON YOU SPURS"!!!!

[Deeyal]

I agree with the comments they we should NOT be airing our dirty laundry. I can't see this acheiving anything but causing more unrest, and other clubs viewing us as more of a joke than we are already. I know everyone is feeling p*ssed off at the moment, but we can't buy anymore players until Jan, AND Sacking anybody at this stage will not achieve anything.

However, I will say this. Some serious lessons need to be learnt over the transfer dealings this summer. Serious question were asked by several pundits, and some fans about Modric's ability to play in the Premier league, as they felt he was too light weight. My impressions so far are that they were correct. Quesitons were asked over Pavyluchenko, I think the jury is still out on that one. Why point is that a number of risks were taken. By selling quite a few expierenced palyers and bringing in completely untested (in the prem at least) players. I feel that the buck stops with Levy and Comolli on this point. The keane and Berbs situnation were badly handled. Sometimes I think that Levy makes business decisions to the detriment of the club on the pitch. We got and extra 5 mill for berbs, yes, but did we get a suitable replacement? No! I would have said to Berbs and Keane. OK, your mind is made up, fair enough. I will let you leave on the condition that we can find suitable replacements for you, and not before. The situnation should have been dealt with swiftly, and it wasn't.

Having said all of this my final point is this. There are clubs in the prem above us in the league who have (on paper) weaker teams. So, Ramos, really should be getting a few results. Nick a few draws, get some points on the table, I really dont care. He really needs to review his tactics with a view to getting us out of this mess. He needs to inspire the players to fight, and try and get someone to lead the team on the pitch, take the bull by the horns and take charge. Doesn't matter who it is, just some one who cant shout and scream, and stop idiots like Michael Dawson losing their head.

[fedupyid]

Levy is at fault simple as that. He sold Kanoute without replacing him which made us miss 4th. He signed Jenas when we had an abundance of central midfielder. He sold Carrick without replacing him. Then this summer he sold both our top strikers while selling another in January and not replacing any of them adequatly.

[BringBack_leGin]

Levy is at fault simple as that. He sold Kanoute without replacing him which made us miss 4th. He signed Jenas when we had an abundance of central midfielder. He sold Carrick without replacing him. Then this summer he sold both our top strikers while selling another in January and not replacing any of them adequatly.

I think you might be wise to remember that Martin Jol had a dislike of Kanoute, a player who he thought had the wrong attitude. Many many spurs fans (not me, I thought he was great) were delighted to see the back of Kanoute.

While I never wanted and have never liked Jenas, we had an abundance of defensive midfielders (Davids, Carrick, Davis, Mendes, Tainio, Brown) and not one attack minded midfielder, having just shipped our Simon Davies. So we brought in Jenas, Routledge, and Lennon, all attack minded players.

Much as I liked Carrick, when we sold him I thought we were getting very good value. In fact, almost all Spurs fans I spoke to agreed. Little did we know that a player who had really impressed in the world cup would not be up to standard. Zokora had been hailed roundly as a brilliant defensive midfielder.

I think you will find that Levy is not at all responsible for us missing out on 4th. First of all, even 5th was the best we'd ever done so how can you complain? But more importantly, do you not remember all of our team falling ill on the final day? Do you not remember 7 or 8 mistakes made by our right back, Stalteri, costing us points in many matches (Sunderland, Arsenal, Chelsea away, Fulham and West Ham at home just a few that spring to mind straight away)?

I agree that it was a huge cock up this summer and last January in the striking department, but it is not just the fault of Levy. It is the fault of Levy, Ramos, Comolli, and anyone else who has any input.

Don't you think your efforts would be better served trying to support the club?

[gaganelov]

Don't you think your efforts would be better served trying to support the club?

I belive both should be done. Massive show of support to the team and at the same time - clearly showing Levy he was responsible for the disaster. This has been done in Barcelona and Madrid.

[Chris12345]

I think you might be wise to remember that Martin Jol had a dislike of Kanoute, a player who he thought had the wrong attitude. Many many spurs fans (not me, I thought he was great) were delighted to see the back of Kanoute.

IIRC, Kanoute, Atouba and Mido missed our preseason tour of somewhere, and were fined and punished by the club, Mido apologized and accepted the sanctions, whereas Kanoute and Atouba made a big fuss and didn't apoligise, and thus both were sold...

People also tend to forget that in between Kanoutes flashes of Brilliance and goal scoring spurts (his goal against Everton :hump: best goal i've ever seen in the flesh), he could go missing for matches at a time... I think La Liga suits his style much better! A fit Mido (almost an oxymoron, I know) was much better for us than Kanoute...

[infamousyiddo]

This has been done in Barcelona and Madrid.


OH RIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHT....barca and real do it so it must be ok for us...:roll::roll::roll:

[BringBack_leGin]

I belive both should be done. Massive show of support to the team and at the same time - clearly showing Levy he was responsible for the disaster. This has been done in Barcelona and Madrid.
I'm not even going to bother trying to argue with you anymore, you're opinionated and close minded. To pin everything on Levy is ludicrous. To not acknowledge how much healthier as a club we have been as a result of his work is just plain lunacy.

[gaganelov]

To not acknowledge how much healthier as a club we have been as a result of his work is just plain lunacy.

Just checked the table and the history of the club. Yes, you are right - we have never been healthier.

[Chris12345]

Just checked the table and the history of the club. Yes, you are right - we have never been healthier.

I have a horrible feeling you are living in the 60's mate... check the date :up:

After Scholar (a die hard Spurs fan) ruining and bankrupting the club, followed by Sugar saving us from Administration and securing our Premier League status, Levy has taken us to the Top 5.

From almost being a Championship (or worse) club in Administration, to a Top 4 team (bar some dodgy Lasange)... all while keeping the club not only out of debt, but in profit... I would say he's made us quite healthy!

[BringBack_leGin]

Just checked the table and the history of the club. Yes, you are right - we have never been healthier.

i would take the past 7 years of levy, including the current situation, every single time over the entirety of the period between 93 and 2000. In that time there was only one glimmer of hope and that was david ginola in the final 3 years of the millenium.

You may not know what it was like in the 90's, and some of your comments betray a very short lived association with our club, but tihs, even right now, is far far better. I am far less depressed now than i was with graham as our manager, playing long ball football, seeing our best player humiliated by being subbed in the 87th minute of every game. You have clearly never felt real pain as a spurs fan, because while this does not pale in comparison, it is significantly less.

[adwanhussein]

If you show your concern for the plight of Spurs ,well that doesn't mean you are not supporting the boys,and if you want to show dissent against the antics of the board ,that doesn't mean you are a deserter or a rat abandoning a sinking ship.Bravado or apologists are the last thing that we need to get this great Spurs name out of the mess that has been forced on it by inept people who have no clue and no qualms .I am in dissent but tomorrow i am going to watch the Spurs game on my cable and i will be rooting for them to advance in Eufa.