Madrid line up Ramos escape?

[mawspurs]

Source: Star

Under-fire Juande Ramos could be offered an escape route from Tottenham by Atletico Madrid.

The Spanish side face Liverpool tonight in the Champions League with coach Javier Aguirre fighting for his job.

And the Atletico directors have placed Ramos at the top of their list to become their new boss.

The former Seville manager has been given the full backing of the Spurs board, despite the club’s worst-ever start to a season.

But Ramos looks incapable of stopping the north London club’s slide as they have taken only two points from eight Premier League games, the worst record in the whole of Europe.

Ramos’ stock is still high in Spain, though, after his UEFA Cup success with Seville. Atletico have made a dreadful start to the La Liga season and have lost their last three League matches against Seville, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

They sit in eighth place, a massive 10 points behind leaders Valencia.

Aguirre has now been told he must beat Liverpool and Villarreal at the weekend away to stand a chance of holding on to his job.

Ramos has said in the past few weeks that he will see out his contract at Tottenham unless told otherwise.

But he is massively disillusioned with the squad he has been left with this season by director of football Damien Comolli.

And he could decide to quit White Hart Lane in favour of the Vicente Calderon if the situation becomes vacant.

Spurs chairman Daniel Levy could see this as an ideal solution to the problem so he is not forced to sack the man he controversially chose to replace the popular Martin Jol.

l Michael Dawson has been charged with improper conduct by the FA for his furious reaction to being sent off in Spurs’ 2-1 defeat at Stoke.

Dawson has faces a three-match ban for the tackle on Mamady Sidebe – but the suspension could be increased further.

The 24-year-old centre-back has until 6pm today to appeal before a regulatory commission hears the case tomorrow.

[noiseboy55]

The circus was supposed to end on September 1st, not carry on until now :roll:

[steveb]

Bye!!!!!

This could be a blessing in disguise, and a way to get our club back. I know i will get slated for this as a lot of people, including ex pro's a saying he must stay on as manager and to give him a chance. But my patience have ran out, considering this is not just about not winning in 8 games this season but the fact that after we won the cup last year we did not win many games last season either.
We can all blame comolli, of which i do for a bad cockup with the not replacing berba and keane but the fact remains that on paper we have a talented squad and should not be sitting bottom of the prem. The fact that Ramos has not used Ledley for the premership is a worry and also the fact that he changes he 11 around more times that rafa and ranieri put together means that there is no consistancy. That coupled with the fact that our football is poor and we only play 1 upfront is just not right and until the penny drops with Ramos then i am afraid we are in deep trouble.

Sorry guys, but i would rather have a British manager who knows the English game at the helm and ditch the director of football. Save our Spurs

[noiseboy55]

Who though? I can't think of a British manager who would take the job. The fact of the matter is that you don't become a bad manager over night; Ramos won 4 cups with Sevilla, and nearly won the league. Hes already won a cup with us. Look at how many new players are out on the pitch - you can't expect them to just click straight away. The man needs to be given assurances, as the team will certainly not benefit from another change in management

[steveb]

Who though? I can't think of a British manager who would take the job. The fact of the matter is that you don't become a bad manager over night; Ramos won 4 cups with Sevilla, and nearly won the league. Hes already won a cup with us. Look at how many new players are out on the pitch - you can't expect them to just click straight away. The man needs to be given assurances, as the team will certainly not benefit from another change in management


Point taken, but if you don't play the same 11 every week how do you expect them to click. I know he has a good CV but that is only with Sevilla and he was not that great before then. If you are honest we have gone backwards under Ramos, yes we won the cup during his honeymoon period, but we played a 4-4-2 and he pretty much would pick his best 11 everygame. Now it seems he has been abducted by aliens and we have been sent down a lookalike who has completely lost the plot. On the manager front, i would take any of Keane, Venables, Curbishley, right now over Juande

[wolff]

F_ck it! Get in Roy Keene, we need someone like him. After all he is a Spurs fan....

[infamousyiddo]

would roy keane leave mackems to come to us?? i very much doubt it

[Mchillio]

I cannot believe that curbs has been mentioned as a replacement you would like to see!! I am sorry but thats ridiculous!!

[noiseboy55]

We have to stick by Ramos. We can't become like Newcastle and change our manager, once or twice a year.

Theres a certain manager in this league who was going through a bad patch towards the start of his reign, and the club stuck by him.

Hes now the most successful manager in the country, and the longest serving manager in the premierleague. Success doesn't come without time and a settled structure. I think its pretty obvious who I'm referring to.

[JimmyG2]

I predicted that Ramos would not finish his contract because his success with Spurs would trigger interest from the top sides in Spain.
This was not the scenario I envisaged ,that he would return to Spain because of his failure at Tottenham.Athletico live very much in the shadow of Real and has lost its star main,Torres so its the sort of club that would gladly take him if he returns in less than glorious circumstances.
Anyway I think this is usual newspaper (Star!) fabrication and I think that Ramos will be given until the end of the season and should be given until the end of the season.

[2bearis2do]

Worst league record in the whole of Europe!
That really is a horrible news bit to swallow.

[infamousyiddo]

I predicted that Ramos would not finish his contract because his success with Spurs would trigger interest from the top sides in Spain.
This was not the scenario I envisaged ,that he would return to Spain because of his failure at Tottenham.Athletico live very much in the shadow of Real and has lost its star main,Torres so its the sort of club that would gladly take him if he returns in less than glorious circumstances.
Anyway I think this is usual newspaper (Star!) fabrication and I think that Ramos will be given until the end of the season and should be given until the end of the season.


I dont think they miss torres in a football sense, they have the best player in the world IMO Sergio "Kune" Aguero, but agree with your comments in general

[2bearis2do]

We have to stick by Ramos. We can't become like Newcastle and change our manager, once or twice a year.

Theres a certain manager in this league who was going through a bad patch towards the start of his reign, and the club stuck by him.

Hes now the most successful manager in the country, and the longest serving manager in the premierleague. Success doesn't come without time and a settled structure. I think its pretty obvious who I'm referring to.

I´d agree, we should look to stay with one successful manager for a sustained period of time. I think what Everton are trying to do with Moyes is a good example for us. (Obvl´y you mean SAlex!) Well we missed that opportunity.

My problem with sticking with Ramos, is that he has been with us a year. And despite the ´Honeymoon CC Cup win´has really NOT done anything to prove he is worth hanging on to. Our league record with him is nothing short of a disgrace and yet we all feel we should hang on to him because...
a) He´s won cups with Sevilla.
b) He made Sevilla challenge the big boys in Spain.
c) It would be a humiliating climb down from everyone concerned with his appointment should he be sacked.

The reality is we are in deep deep shit and I see NOTHING in Ramos´teams that suggests ...
a) We are going to turn the corner, because the potential is there for everyone to see. (I don´t see anything in this current team that gets me excited or confident. We are a shambles.)
b) He really knows what he is doing in the premier league. (Faced with the big teams of Stoke, Middlesborogh, Sunderland, and the like, he just hasn´t got a clue. Pretty tippy tappy footy isn´t getting us anywhere and our tippy tappy footy is about a dozen grades down on the teams that do it well.)
c) The Spanish league and Spanish players are a whole different world. (Its like putting a salt water fish into a murky British garden pond.)
d) At least his English is starting to get better. (Though it doesn´t seem that he is faring any better with communicating his ideas.)

I wish I felt differently, I wish I could see the light. I wish the hierarchy at Spurs could see beyond their short term balance sheets and actually plan a summer of transfers properly.

Ramos has been let down by this buying policy, no doubt. But the big question is, is he the man to pull us out of this dark place? Is he the man thats going to ensure we don´t get relegated and lose up to a 100million in revenue? Or would a new appointment of a Premier league savvy manager be a better idea?

I have the feeling we will hang to Ramos and give him what he needs in the January window. I also have a feeling that that will be too little too late.

There is only one place of blame for this current situation. Its the land of GREED, occupied by Levy and his minnows.

- They wanted more and more for BBTv without having a replacement.
- Yet they wouldn´t pay that teeny weeny bit extra for Arshavin.
- They completely overhauled a reasonably successful squad for a bunch of over rated, over priced, underwhelming talent.
- They failed to BUILLD on success, instead that ripped it up and started again! Success has never been a instant thing! how many clubs have tried to BUY success and failed?! To not recognise this and still continue on the destructive road of buying and selling prize assets for maximum profit at the expense of a solid consistent team is frankly, FUCKING SCANDELOUS.
- They shafted Jol and now they´ve shafted Ramos with their incompetent summer dealings and lack of foresight and vision.

It doesn´t make pleasant reading, I´m not even calling for Levy out. (Though I´d happily see DComm leave)

Football is about passion, it is about TEAMBUILDING, fitting the missing pieces to a jigsaw. I know these are modern times but football as a sport fundamentally doesn´t change. And we´ve been crying out for a DCM and a Leftie for years and yet these positions have still yet to be filled. OOOh to have Ashley Young now. Or Scott Parker. There is an endless list of missed opportunities.

Our failure to build on our 5th placed finishes with ´missing pieces of the jigsaw´will haunt us for a generation. To have done the right thing then may well have propelled us up the football status ladder. But now we are back to square one. Bottom of the ladder, bottom of the league. Moving from a team that everyone feared with 4 class strikers, to a team that any team in the premier league now WANTS to play as we continue to play ONE up front is a fucking joke. Fuck me, could it be any worse? Could we have fucked up any more than we have? Gross incompetence doesn´t even cover it.

Despite all this, I´ll continue to love and cherish the foolish Spurs and I won´t be protesting.

If any of you have read this far, then I highly recommend reading THE DAMNED UNITED by David Peace. A great flashback and reminder as to what football is and should be all about.

[SpurSince57]

There's one reason and one reason alone the squad was pulled apart, and that was because Ramos wanted it pulled apart. Do you really think Levy and Comolli took this decision and foisted players Ramos didn't want on him? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting.

[JuanRebelde]

The use of massive and massively are clues to the quality of this report I suspect -as is the paper it came from.

[JuanRebelde]

Bye!!!!!

We can all blame comolli, of which i do for a bad cockup with the not replacing berba and keane but the fact remains that on paper we have a talented squad and should not be sitting bottom of the prem.

Sorry guys, but i would rather have a British manager who knows the English game at the helm and ditch the director of football. Save our Spurs


We should blame Comolli and Levy as THEY are responsable for Spurs not having a goal threat. With this threat we could outscore teams whcih we have done over the past couple of seasons. Now even one goal is a tall order. We go into games with a 0-0 result our best option because we have no threat. Then the opposition push us harder and get a goal and its usually game over.

Watch the games more closely and you'll see defenders and midfielders looking for forward passes and then turning back or sideways as there is nothing to aim at. Bent does not have the intelligence to play a keane type of game nor a Torres (on the shoulder of the last defender type of game), Pav is far too slow for the EPL and does not appear clever enough to overcome this limitation. The loan-boy is just that a lad who may be useful one day.

So we have no means of playing in the oppositions half because Levy and Comolli agreed the sales and failed to replace the out-going forwards with talent. We will struggle heavily until the january window to score goals and cannot rely on Levy or Comolli to source and secure the quality of forward we need. This has little to do with Ramos.

Where Ramos can be particluarly criticised is that he has failed to get the support from midfield to maintain a threat in the oppositions have. He also has failed to develop a defensive shield from midfield for the defence.

Your other point about getting a british manager begs the question - if they are so plentiful and of decent quality why are so few ever talked about as being top quality vis-a-vis their european counter parts and why is the Emgland manager not english?

I do agree that we should now ditch the DF role as it is clearly beyond english clubs to work it effectively.

[shakus]

my head hurts

[striebs]

We have to stick by Ramos. We can't become like Newcastle and change our manager, once or twice a year.

Theres a certain manager in this league who was going through a bad patch towards the start of his reign, and the club stuck by him.

Hes now the most successful manager in the country, and the longest serving manager in the premierleague. Success doesn't come without time and a settled structure. I think its pretty obvious who I'm referring to.

There are more recent examples too :-

-Boro are a club who obviously have a plan and have stuck by their new manager and are reaping the rewards .

Hull , Stoke , Sunderland , Everton and Arsenal clearly have plans .

So why is it Spurs think they can circumvent all the hard work and
take a shortcut by splashing a moderate amount of cash .

[2bearis2do]

There's one reason and one reason alone the squad was pulled apart, and that was because Ramos wanted it pulled apart. Do you really think Levy and Comolli took this decision and foisted players Ramos didn't want on him? Because that's what you seem to be suggesting.

I´m assuming you´re asking me this?!

I think you´re missing my points.

1) We failed to build on the successful 5th 5th league squad of Jol. Which at the time and under Jol was a huge failing by those in power.
2) So we get Ramos in, fine, the intentions are good.
3) Ramos wants new players, his squad...fine.
4) Do I think Ramos has had players foisted upon him? ....

1) Well I doubt he knew who David Bentley was!
2) I doubt he would want a cup tied Russian who has already played half a season and the Euros.
3) I doubt he views F.Campbell as an adequate replacement for Keane and Berbatov?!
4) I doubt he was over the moon with Corluka as a replacement to King.
5) I´m sure he would have loved a decent DCM.
6) I´m sure he would have preferred adequate replacements to have been put in place for the inevitable departure of BBtv.

So in short, does Ramos have the team he wants? NO! He´s working with Commoli´s master plan which was funded by selling our most expensive talents. So have Pavy, Campbell, Bentley and Corluka been foisted upon him? 3 out of four for sure!

[ultimateloner]

We would be stupid to release Ramos. I mean getting your top guys poached by stronger clubs (e.g Berba to Man Utd, Keane to L'pool), while painful, is reasonable.

But to have big assets poached by lesser sides? That would be inexcusable.

Let's not let our current state muddle the truth.

Truth is that Ramos is a good manager. Doubtless. He is in a mess created by the combined misfortune of losing top players, the media, fickle fans, and most of all the bureaucracy/politics that is the real nature of Tottenham Hotspurs.

He is not the right scapegoat.

[gaganelov]

Lets push Levy to apologize in public! The game against Bolton will be a good place for him to do so. And i am sure most of the fans will accept his apology.

[BringBack_leGin]

this article has already been given way more discussion than it deserves. 2 + 2 = 5. yawn.

however, if he did go, i'm scratching my head to think of who could replace him. there are really not that many options because the top top managers will unlikely want to have a relegation on their CV, which lets face it, is a likelyhood.

That would rule out the likes of Rijkaard and Mancini, both of whom are out of work. then we have a look at possible british managers.

there are a few out of work.... but who would be right?

Allardyce? May well save us now, but long term we would find it hard to take him to our hearts because of his footballing philosphies, and we can't just appoint an interim because we have to get stability.

Sounness? Not as bad a manager as people make out, but I doubt the players would play for him immediately because of his tarnished reputation.

Graham? Not as our manager, but I would have other idea's for him.

Poyet? There is just something about him that seems a bit too friendly to be a good manager. He's very entertaining but I don't think he's enough of an arsehole.

Hoddle? Would he return? Maybe. Wuold Levy swallow his pride to this extent? I doubt it. If he did though, I would love it. In fact, I already have my own little fantasy management team in my head of Hoddle with Ginola as assistant, and Graham as a defensive coach. And I know, I live in dream land. But I also think Ramos is not going anywhere.

Klinsmann? Now this would be an even more fun superteam. Klinsmann, with Ginola as his assistant. They saved us from relegation as players after all. These two, especially the latter, have the adoration of the fans and the knowledge of the club. And even if they took us down, at least we'd being going down with Spurs people.

Keane? Like many of you, I have been monitoring his faltering contract negotiations very closely. He got sunderland promoted from not too dissimilar a position to that which we are in (though we have fewer remaining games than they did). He has proven himself a premiership quality manager, he plays fairly good football and he knows the value of the right amount of steel in the team. He would be the best candidate probably if Ramos were to go. I'd still want Ginola as his assistant haha.

Now, This was just a bit of fun and games so don't abuse me too much. In reality I want Ramos to stay and drag us out of this mess, because I cannot bear any more instability.

[CliffJones]

Before we can consider getting rid of Ramos, we need to have a replacement lined up to slip in and take over the reins. Who would come to us under these circumstances. Bilic is a gamble, as to a certain degree is Keane, even if they would consider the job. Talk of Curbishley or Venables is laughable and Ginola?????? no thanks. Keegan would only walkout after three months citing a bad relationship with the tea lady, and Allardyce would have us banging long balls over midfielders heads.
Gordon Strachan? at least good for a laugh.

[gaganelov]

I want Ramos to stay and drag us out of this mess, because I cannot bear any more instability.


BringBack_leGin, what do you think about the idea Levy to apologize publicly before the Bolton game? This will be an important gesture and will bring additional stability and...unity.

[BringBack_leGin]

BringBack_leGin, what do you think about the idea Levy to apologize publicly before the Bolton game? This will be an important gesture and will bring additional stability and...unity.

I don't think its feesable really because it would give the press and fans who have agenda's a lot of amunition with which to tirade against Levy. Making mistakes (which I acknowledge he has done) is one thing, but admitting to them can be a whole lot worse sometimes. (can you tell i'm becoming a lawyer?)

[gaganelov]

:rofl:

[Coyboy]

We should blame Comolli and Levy as THEY are responsable for Spurs not having a goal threat. With this threat we could outscore teams whcih we have done over the past couple of seasons. Now even one goal is a tall order. We go into games with a 0-0 result our best option because we have no threat. Then the opposition push us harder and get a goal and its usually game over.

Watch the games more closely and you'll see defenders and midfielders looking for forward passes and then turning back or sideways as there is nothing to aim at. Bent does not have the intelligence to play a keane type of game nor a Torres (on the shoulder of the last defender type of game), Pav is far too slow for the EPL and does not appear clever enough to overcome this limitation. The loan-boy is just that a lad who may be useful one day.

Bent is not Robbie Keane mark two and wasn't supposed to be so comparing him to RK is unhelpful and misses the point. Neither is he Fernando Torres, just as Jermaine Jenas is not Steven Gerrard. What he is is a proven goalscorer when the team, or rather midfield, plays to his strengths and creates chances. He has the pace and he does have the ability to get past defenders and he is an excellent finisher with feet and head.

You have noticed that our midfield ponders and goes backwards. This is because we are trying to play a 'modern' possession type of game and we don't have the players for it. What we do have the players for is quick passing, moving off the ball, finishing and passing on the run, getting balls in from wide positions. That is the Spurs style and I thought that was the Ramos style; not this turgid, vacillating and slow 'style' which we play with right now. Ramos has to take responsibilty for that lack of effective play not anyone else.

Pav is slow but he has showed good aerial ability and signs of holding up the ball and linking play. To say he isn't good enough or unsuitable for this league based on a handful of appearances and a long season is premature. Do I have to list the players that was said about over the years?

So we have no means of playing in the oppositions half because Levy and Comolli agreed the sales and failed to replace the out-going forwards with talent. We will struggle heavily until the january window to score goals and cannot rely on Levy or Comolli to source and secure the quality of forward we need. This has little to do with Ramos.

But the raw fact that this squad is good enough to be at least 10th is Ramos' fault and not Comolli's or Levy's, or were you predicting we would be 20th on September 1st?

Where Ramos can be particluarly criticised is that he has failed to get the support from midfield to maintain a threat in the oppositions have. He also has failed to develop a defensive shield from midfield for the defence.

Your other point about getting a british manager begs the question - if they are so plentiful and of decent quality why are so few ever talked about as being top quality vis-a-vis their european counter parts and why is the Emgland manager not english?

I do agree that we should now ditch the DF role as it is clearly beyond english clubs to work it effectively.

But wouldn't that mean the end of Ramos? How many clubs has Ramos worked at sans DoF? How can English clubs not work the system, wouldn't you say it dragged Tottenham back to life with Arnesen and Comolli has made some excellent first team signings not to mention the health of our youth academy.



Apologies for bold interuptions, couldn't be bothered to requote etc.

[ShadyAftermath2k]

Here we go again! Ramos is either here for the long haul, or he fucks off now. He's bleeding enough money from us already, it's getting fucking stupid. I rate him as a manager, but the doom and gloom around the lane is becoming unbearable.

[Coyboy]

BringBack_leGin, what do you think about the idea Levy to apologize publicly before the Bolton game? This will be an important gesture and will bring additional stability and...unity.

If that can get you off Levy back the hell yea!!!

[sebo_sek]

The saddest thing is that while Ramos is definitely a world class coach, i think England is not for him.

Yes i was his biggest advocate, but to tell you the truth he doesn't seem to understand the game here.

In Spain it's all about technique and flair. Here it's about steel and grit. There is noone, barring O'hara (Ghaly, Boateng) that is prepared to put a foot in. We have the Danny Alves/Jesus Navas right wing in Hutton and Bentley (the latter less so). We have Bale as the second overlapping FB with Lennon/Dos Santos as Capel. The centre is the weak point. we don't have a Poulsen. And we definitely don't have Kanoute/Fabiano.

But what we don't have most of all is HEART and STEEL. The former can be helped, the latter can't. And everyone in the league knows that all you have to do is push us around and we crumble.

Ramos must get a grip on the game. I mean the basics. This is no time for showpiece football. This is a time for battling it out in the centre of the park, putting yourself on the line.

I am the first person to admit to a mistake, and Ramos (though undebtledly talented he is) was a mistake. And Commolli should have known better.

The fact is that Ramos's team is incredibly lightweight, composed of very technical players, who don't have the time to show it.

Sorry for the doom and gloom, but that is my opinion after these 8 games. And sadly Jol's record of 1 win in 12 looks likely to be crushed. Well, here's to hoping.

[pistolP]

Point taken, but if you don't play the same 11 every week how do you expect them to click. I know he has a good CV but that is only with Sevilla and he was not that great before then. If you are honest we have gone backwards under Ramos, yes we won the cup during his honeymoon period, but we played a 4-4-2 and he pretty much would pick his best 11 everygame. Now it seems he has been abducted by aliens and we have been sent down a lookalike who has completely lost the plot. On the manager front, i would take any of Keane, Venables, Curbishley, right now over Juande

You are right, Ramos should never drop bad performing players even when they have been off-form for a long time. That will make a lot of people happy as well the Jornalist that are busy making unproven stories which we fans take as gospel.

[2bearis2do]

The saddest thing is that while Ramos is definitely a world class coach, i think England is not for him.

Yes i was his biggest advocate, but to tell you the truth he doesn't seem to understand the game here.

In Spain it's all about technique and flair. Here it's about steel and grit. There is noone, barring O'hara (Ghaly, Boateng) that is prepared to put a foot in. We have the Danny Alves/Jesus Navas right wing in Hutton and Bentley (the latter less so). We have Bale as the second overlapping FB with Lennon/Dos Santos as Capel. The centre is the weak point. we don't have a Poulsen. And we definitely don't have Kanoute/Fabiano.

But what we don't have most of all is HEART and STEEL. The former can be helped, the latter can't. And everyone in the league knows that all you have to do is push us around and we crumble.

Ramos must get a grip on the game. I mean the basics. This is no time for showpiece football. This is a time for battling it out in the centre of the park, putting yourself on the line.

I am the first person to admit to a mistake, and Ramos (though undebtledly talented he is) was a mistake. And Commolli should have known better.

The fact is that Ramos's team is incredibly lightweight, composed of very technical players, who don't have the time to show it.

Sorry for the doom and gloom, but that is my opinion after these 8 games. And sadly Jol's record of 1 win in 12 looks likely to be crushed. Well, here's to hoping.


Pretty much spot on. Horses for courses and all that. The thing with Jol was, he understood and loved English football. And still does. He´s obsessed with the Premiership and to return in due course. (Ignore the 1-12 record you quote as that was under ridiculous circumstances). Ramos will still probably do a job for us in European ties (until we meet a British team!)

I think the hardest thing is that I can´t see any hope until the January Transfer window and that says everything about what is wrong with the club at the moment.

[adwanhussein]

I don't want to sound sentimental , but one of the most profound moments which has left an inidelible mark on me was Jol's last game at wHL.There was the gang of four,Levi and his cohorts and a lady Macbeth among the cabal which had earlier plotted to bring the big man down.The tortured and agonizing look of jol told it all.WHat a reward he got for bringing success to WHL,but those novices wanted to be in the top four,and the champion league top dogs ,can you fault the despondency of Spurs fans when they are stairing at relegation.

[StokeSpur]

And he would go there and take them to the top of the table just like Jol has done with Hamburg.

ITS NOT OUR MANAGERS ITS OUR DOF SYSTEM THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!

Whoever took over would have the same problem, the answer is DO NOT sack another manager, the answer is to sort how we do things and put it right the first place to start would be to let the manager buy who he wants in HIS team!


some of you people are un fucking believable!!

[gaganelov]

If that can get you off Levy back the hell yea!!!

Not just that. I will be the first to congratulate him for being a mensch!!!

[ashley]

Just saw on anothersite that Frank Rijkaard is been considered

[mawspurs]

And he would go there and take them to the top of the table just like Jol has done with Hamburg.

ITS NOT OUR MANAGERS ITS OUR DOF SYSTEM THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!

Whoever took over would have the same problem, the answer is DO NOT sack another manager, the answer is to sort how we do things and put it right the first place to start would be to let the manager buy who he wants in HIS team!


some of you people are un fucking believable!!

I see where you are coming from. You are taking a long term view. We do have the immediate problem of avoiding relegation to worry about though. So do we stick with Ramos and go down? or do we make a change and pray that whoever comes in can turn things around with the same squad and problems as Ramos currently has to deal with? Personally I haven't got a clue which would be the best course of action. Because even your long term view would be flawed if we get relegated.

All we can do as fans is provide 100% positive support. Oh and keep praying. :pray:

[hotteamtn]

Pay whatever it takes to get Strachan! If he is not interested, get David Pleat in to see us to safety. Many will scorn this but he is a Spurs man through and through, has been in a relegation battle before, when he was our manager it was on a shoe string budget. How many millions have been made available to less knowledgeable people than him!

[SpurSince57]

And he would go there and take them to the top of the table just like Jol has done with Hamburg.

ITS NOT OUR MANAGERS ITS OUR DOF SYSTEM THAT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!

Whoever took over would have the same problem, the answer is DO NOT sack another manager, the answer is to sort how we do things and put it right the first place to start would be to let the manager buy who he wants in HIS team!


some of you people are un fucking believable!!

Which is what we did this summer. If you want to believe otherwise, that's your bag.

But I guess Juande will work his magic soon, eh?

[JimmyG2]

So the question boils down to would changing the manager give us a better chance of avoiding relegation.
I have argued consistently that it would not. Who would come in and save us? Nobody thats gainfully employed at the moment would take it on, no-one of any reputation that is. Sam Allardyce? Having assembled a team of quality footballers would they be able to perform to Sam's requirements.
If we sack Ramos as we did Jol would be out of the proverbial frying pan or back where we were again.
We appointed Ramos in good faith,our problems over decades has been the lack of continuity,think on Ferguson's career and stick with it. If we go down so be it .
We have no idea whether changing manager will save us.Carling Cup excepted it didn't work out that well last time.