Juande's rallying call

[mawspurs]

Source: Official Site

Juande Ramos has called on the Club's fans to get behind the team more than ever before in the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

The Head Coach shares the pain of our loyal support as we go into Sunday's clash with Bolton Wanderers still without a Barclays Premier League win this season.

But he says this is exactly why his team are relying on the White Hart Lane faithful to keep the spirits high.

"The fans are very important to us in times like this because they can help the team," said Juande.

"I know it's difficult to say this when the team is losing, but it is when the team is losing that they need the help of the fans most."

And Juande also insists that his side will be fully focused on the job in hand despite Thursday's UEFA Cup defeat at the hands of Udinese.

"When you lose games, the confidence is going to be low, but the players are professional and they have to quickly change their mindset.

"They must focus their attention on the next game and forget about what has happened in the past.

"This game is very important to everyone at the Club because three points could change the situation and have a positive effect on the confidence of the team."

[ridouche]

Indeed, I am with you all the way. A win is a must, to loose "is not possible" or is it. The club has f****up big time with ramos. Clearly he thought he will manage with what he's got. He said in early interview is "very happy with the squad" but...No way that Bent on his own will do a Job of Berba and keane all in one. The new players have not matured quick egnough, and it is harsh to ask to do so. But it is for the senior players to show guts. I guess will win this one but you never know who will make the next mistake in this team. COYS

[Kingstheman]

Lose to Bolton and we will NOT recover.

[smudger]

Lose to Bolton and we will NOT recover.
I agree. we basically need 12 wins and two draws to reach 40 points which is usually enough. And if we don't beat bolton we are in the shit big time as i cant see a win coming next few games. Draws maybe but not wins but you never know. I'm actually starting to believe we could be on our way down

[Houdini]

He (Ramos) is starting to talk like a politician, along the lines of 'Ask not, what Spurs can do for you, but rather what can you do for Spurs'. Well Mr Ramos, you are well paid for your job, where as we have to do a job to pay you, through our season tickets, programmes, merchandise, travelling, unpaid time off work, etc.
So i would rather you sort out your/the problems with the team! As for myself, as a supporter, i don't need to be told what i need to do, i have been doing my job for longer than the vast majority of those employed at White Hart Lane.
Instead of coming out with this talk of supporting and getting behind the team etc you could hold a press conference and let us supporters know what is going on!

[smudger]

Lose to Bolton and we will NOT recover.
I agree. we basically need 12 wins and two draws to reach 40 points which is usually enough. And if we don't beat bolton we are in the shit big time as i cant see a win coming next few games. Draws maybe but not wins but you never know. I'm actually starting to believe we could be on our way down

[Jon_Wedge]

FFS! The fans are behind the team every week!!!!!!!!

It's up to the fucking "players" on the pitch not the fans.

[Thmsdonaghy]

Lose to Bolton and we will NOT recover.

I agree, loose and we will be a Championship side next season! But for the moment that is way to difficult to contemplate. We have to beat Bolton and if we don't well we'll burn that bridge if we get to it.

COYS

[jolsnogross]

The other problem that arises as we have progressed so miserably, is that it would be a big embarassment to lose to us now. That was the case with Derby (and Sunderland before them) as they struggeld to hit double figures on points. We're in that category now, that's beyond depressing.

In that sense, Bolton are a below average team but they've got spirit and determination to burn, and will go out all guns blazing to turn over the soft-centered cockneys. So the challenge for Ramos is to instil in our players a desire for the fight and a desire to earn the right to show that we're more skilful than their lot and get a win. That would be contrary to almost every game we've played so far this season

[grazinho1]

Whatever the team selection on Sunday, please don`t play Ekotto.Did anyone else see him after he was subsituted on Thursday?The twat was talking on his cell phone and laughing???? he doesn`t give a shit.
We need players that care/have pride in what they do on the pitch and he is not one of them.:bang:

[lazarus]

When I first started going to the Lane it was terribly quiet, the crowd was mute and all you ever heard were so called fans screaming abuse at the players.

This lack of support from the fans started changing a bit under Hoddle and was firmly put to rest under Jol.

However I'm sad to say that it has returned since Jol's sacking.

Notice that I didn't say that the morgue like atmosphere returned with Ramos? No; it returned with that messy situation of Jol's departure.

I think spurs fans were decidedly ambiguous about their feelings on the whole Jol-departure/Ramos-hiring thing that they lost their voice a bit, and when there's silence at the Lane; that's when the boo boys start making noise.

I think the board should take the blame for this silence that permeates the Lane, they should have understood that the kind of loyalty that fans feel for club, manager or players isn't easily transferred, but must be carefully nurtured, managed and transferred. For allowing the Jol situation to get out of hand, and for failing to ensure that the support felt for Jol & his team was transferred onto Ramos; they should carry the can.

However without knowing the details of the circumstances around his sacking; it is hard to apportion the entire blame on their heads. Perhaps Jol was equally to blame? I've always had the impression that Ramos was never intended to replace Jol that soon, but was being lined up for the end of the 07/08 season.

One thing is for sure however; Ramos cannot be blamed for the lack of support from the fans. He's inhereted a poisoned karmic chalice and been asked to sup from its bitter depths.

If we want to see our team get out of this situation; then we are going to have to do our bit as supporters to cheer them on, encourage them, and make them know that no matter what happens; we are in it together.

[spud]

I think the board should take the blame for this silence that permeates the Lane, they should have understood that the kind of loyalty that fans feel for club, manager or players isn't easily transferred, but must be carefully nurtured, managed and transferred. For allowing the Jol situation to get out of hand, and for failing to ensure that the support felt for Jol & his team was transferred onto Ramos; they should carry the can.


Pardon?

How do you propose the board did that? Some sort of group therapy for 30,000+ people? Medication? Perhaps an extensive consultation process with all supporters to ensure that they were fully supportive of the managerial change before it happened.

While we're at it, I think that we should also blame the board for a few more things. Global warming is obviously Levy's fault, and I'm sure that we can all agree that Commolli is behind the current economic meltdown. World War Two (started when Paul Barber invaded Poland). And let's not forget Jesus; I still haven't forgiven them for his crucifixion.

One thing is for sure however; Ramos cannot be blamed for the lack of support from the fans. He's inhereted a poisoned karmic chalice and been asked to sup from its bitter depths.

You're right. There's surely no escaping the old poisoned karmic chalice, especially if you sup from its bitter depths.

[lazarus]

Pardon?

How do you propose the board did that? Some sort of group therapy for 30,000+ people? Medication? Perhaps an extensive consultation process with all supporters to ensure that they were fully supportive of the managerial change before it happened.

While we're at it, I think that we should also blame the board for a few more things. Global warming is obviously Levy's fault, and I'm sure that we can all agree that Commolli is behind the current economic meltdown. World War Two (started when Paul Barber invaded Poland). And let's not forget Jesus; I still haven't forgiven them for his crucifixion.



You're right. There's surely no escaping the old poisoned karmic chalice, especially if you sup from its bitter depths.

You think spurs fans only total 30,000?

If I were smart enough to be able to do the kind of public relations and marketing required to communicate effectively with 30,000 people; then I think I should be given the chance to do Levy's job...

Glad you appreciate a turn of phrase by the way; welcome to my fanclub.

Anyway, while you're being facetious; I'm trying to talk about the loss of support from the fans and the importance that support makes.

That it often makes the difference between glorious success or abject failure, that it adds an extra yard of pace, that it gives an ounce more strength and determination.

I'm talking about that spirit, that roar of support that comes from the hearts and souls of '30,000 plus' at the Lane.

That's what needs to be talked about.

Not just the 'we're beating Arsenal 5-1' support or even 'Chelsea loosing 2-1' support...No. I'm talking about 'loosing to Sevilla 2-0' and still singing our hearts out for the club.

I'm almost certain it was the atmosphere created by us that evening that persuaded Ramos to sign.

It's just a shame we've not really shown any of that for a while.

But we need to show it on Sunday and every game after; or we WILL go down.

[spud]

You think spurs fans only total 30,000?

No. I was taking up your point about support at home games, allowing for tickets used by the opposition, and giving a rough total of yids in the crowd.


I'm trying to talk about the loss of support from the fans and the importance that support makes.

I'm talking about that spirit, that roar of support that comes from the hearts and souls of '30,000 plus' at the Lane.

I get it. And I agree. I've been banging on about getting behind the team for years. What I don't get is how you seem to think that the lack of atmosphere at the ground is the fault of the directors; or, more specifically, how they could have avoided it by acting differently when replacing Jol.

Please explain (with or without karmic references).

[onthetwo]

I think the fans getting behind the players is the least of our problems. I'm almost tempted to go along to the agm to tell them what a mess they are making of our club. Anyway, bolton on sunday is basically a cup final - we are down if we don't win so please mr ramos, do your job too and let the players know it!

[AndyLov]

I read yesterday that we were the second noisiest ground in the league so I can't see that there is a problem with us.

Perhaps if Mr Ramos put out a team that anyone but him thinks could win a football match it could improve the atmosphere a bit.

[doom]

I read yesterday that we were the second noisiest ground in the league so I can't see that there is a problem with us.

Perhaps if Mr Ramos put out a team that anyone but him thinks could win a football match it could improve the atmosphere a bit.

It was in the Metro ...
Premiership noise table:

1. Sunderland average decibels129.2 2. Tottenham Hotspurs 128.2 3. Manchester City 127.4 4. Aston Villa 126.5 5. Everton 126.1 6. Chelsea 125.8 7. Middlesborough 125.4 8. Derby 124.7 9. Newcastle 124.5 10. West Ham 123.8 11. Birmingham 122.7 12. Arsenal 122.3 13. Portsmouth 120.9 14. Blackburn 119.5 15. Bolton 119.1 16. Liverpool 118.9 17. Manchester United 117.5 18. Wigan 116.8 19. Reading 116.2 20. Fulham 115.4

Perhaps Ramos wants to be top of the noise league...

[2bearis2do]

Another stinky Official site article. You can smell the panic from within. Donna Curren is a very smelly woman.

[smudger]

It was in the Metro ...
Premiership noise table:

1. Sunderland average decibels129.2 2. Tottenham Hotspurs 128.2 3. Manchester City 127.4 4. Aston Villa 126.5 5. Everton 126.1 6. Chelsea 125.8 7. Middlesborough 125.4 8. Derby 124.7 9. Newcastle 124.5 10. West Ham 123.8 11. Birmingham 122.7 12. Arsenal 122.3 13. Portsmouth 120.9 14. Blackburn 119.5 15. Bolton 119.1 16. Liverpool 118.9 17. Manchester United 117.5 18. Wigan 116.8 19. Reading 116.2 20. Fulham 115.4

Perhaps Ramos wants to be top of the noise league...
Well its the only league we've got a chance in till next season when we piss the championship ;-)

[smudger]

just on another note. I think the fans have been excellent considering. No chants really been aimed at players or ramos part from the don't know what your doing one which is fair enough. Especially when were away i think we've been good

[Midostouch]

We have to support the team and help them to believe in themselves. Although we have made an appalling start and we are rightly despairing, a few wins in quick succession (and you never know - we do tend to play better against top teams) and we could get quite a long way up the table - because there are quite a few teams not setting the premiership on fire this season - it's just that we're taking all the attention from them. And as Ramos pointed out on BBC today - we've been losing games by the odd goal - we've not been trounced at all.

Right that's my attempt at being positive - I will go and have a rest now.

[nav007_2000]

Get rid of him before its too late

[southlondonyiddo]

Ramos has a bloody cheek asking us to support the team.

How about he buys a friggin house here, learns english better, gets a charisma bypass and gives interviews to explain the crap performances more.

[lazarus]

It was in the Metro ...
Premiership noise table:

1. Sunderland average decibels129.2 2. Tottenham Hotspurs 128.2 3. Manchester City 127.4 4. Aston Villa 126.5 5. Everton 126.1 6. Chelsea 125.8 7. Middlesborough 125.4 8. Derby 124.7 9. Newcastle 124.5 10. West Ham 123.8 11. Birmingham 122.7 12. Arsenal 122.3 13. Portsmouth 120.9 14. Blackburn 119.5 15. Bolton 119.1 16. Liverpool 118.9 17. Manchester United 117.5 18. Wigan 116.8 19. Reading 116.2 20. Fulham 115.4

Perhaps Ramos wants to be top of the noise league...

That report was first published last season, so it doesn't show what's happening at the moment.

You can see that Reading are in the table.

While my own personal experience as a season ticket holder isn't exactly empirical evidence; I can assure you that the lane has turned into a bit of a morgue (apart from 20 or 30 minutes during the Wigan game(?)) with near complete silence for most times apart from the screams of abuse directed at our own players.

I don't get those people; why come to the Lane and only waste your energy abusing your own players? Why not abuse theirs? Or the ref?

They're only doing our opposition's fans work for them.

[bigspurs]

Ramos has a bloody cheek asking us to support the team.

How about he buys a friggin house here, learns english better, gets a charisma bypass and gives interviews to explain the crap performances more.

Spot on!

[sak11]

they have completely shot themselves in the foot with their transfer fiasco... for example, look how well steed is playing for sunderland - we are sorely missing his industry and skill at the mo... one of many decisions i will never understand... i agree that we should be supporting our team (remember..we are not chelsea fans who only appear once we start winning things), but he firstly needs to inspire the players

[Jolly_Spud]

I think most fans agree that it's not Ramos's fault that the team was ill prepared for this season.

I could go on about how Berba should've been replaced before he went, getting a left winger, center mid ball winner, a couple of central defenders etc. None of that really matters now - one key point remains: can Ramos get us out of this situation?

It depresses me even to think about getting rid of another manager. I'm a die hard Spurs fan, there is no other club for me - I would rather walk away from football, but a little of the love I had for the club went with the way Jol was dismissed, and the club managed to snatch catastrophe from the jaws of steady progress & respect.

Time's a healer, but I now think we have to seriously ask ourselves this: are we prepared to stick with Ramos to eventually turn things around, even if it means dropping into the Championship? Because I for one do not think he can keep us up. His record since the Carling Cup win is shocking. Yes there are many mittigating circumstances for why we find ourselves in this situation, and the majority of them are not his fault, but ultimately I do not think he can get us out of this situation.

I'll support Spurs no matter what league we're in, but if we want to stay up, here's my solution:

1, Ditch DOF - no manger (of the type we need) worth his salt would work is such a system.

2, Get Roy Keane.

It makes me laugh that the justification made at the time of why a Director of Football was required was to prevent wholesale changes of playing staff everytime a new manager was brought in (between GG & Hoddle), and yet what the hell has been happening recently?

btw, can anyone tell me if we have any decent youth strikers who could do a job? Wouldn't now be a good time for youth to be given a go and show some passion? Also where are Gio & Campbell?

[beejayspur]

Ramos has a bloody cheek asking us to support the team.

How about he buys a friggin house here, learns english better, gets a charisma bypass and gives interviews to explain the crap performances more.
I 100% agree, we show commitment all the time, how about you doing the same.
Either shape up or ship out

[Archibald&Crooks]

Juande Ramos has called on the Club's fans to get behind the team more than ever before in the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

The Head Coach shares the pain of our loyal support as we go into Sunday's clash with Bolton Wanderers still without a Barclays Premier League win this season.

But he says this is exactly why his team are relying on the White Hart Lane faithful to keep the spirits high.

"The fans are very important to us in times like this because they can help the team," said Juande.

"I know it's difficult to say this when the team is losing, but it is when the team is losing that they need the help of the fans most."

Where, in any of that, does Ramos criticise the support? Can anyone point out to me the part where he knocks the fans commitment? What the fuck was he supposed to say to some reporter sticking a microphone under his bugle, other than a standard soundbite?

Spurs fans can be such ****s when things aren't going right.

[southlondonyiddo]

I 100% agree, we show commitment all the time, how about you doing the same.
Either shape up or ship out

Fuck Off......what you know about me and my committment to Tottenham I can write on the back of a stamp.

[Jonesey]

Put out a decent, balanced lineup in order to give the players a chance on the pitch and I'll gladly get behind the team Mr Ramos.

If we don't play 4-4-2 vs Bolton we will lose. The players are clearly not happy, comfortable or performing in a 4-5-1.

[sidtheyidbuck]

as long as ekotto is nowhere near the starting line up we will i hope win.this player is without doubt one of the worst if not the worst players i have seen representing our club ( i have been attending since 1951) please;please ';do not select this awful liability

[UncleBuck]

Next four league games are Bolton, Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City. We 'somehow' need to pick up at least seven points from these four games because even with a win tomorrow it would still put as 3 points away from safety!

If we don't then I'm afraid that I really do fear for us....

[hotteamtn]

Even in the unlikely event that we pick up three points tomorrow, Ramos must go. He clearly is not able to motivate this squad, in fact it appears they are demoralized and unsure of their roles! He may have been a half decent manager in Spain where he could communicate, but in the Premier he has been found out. Even if it costs £15 mill it will be worth it, I am sick to the teeth of seeing us get rolled over by teams that have far less resources than Spurs ( All credit to them they play with spirit ) but class with spirit should prevail, the team lack spirit.

[Archibald&Crooks]

Fuck Off......what you know about me and my committment to Tottenham I can write on the back of a stamp.

I think he was referring to Ramos and not you SLY.......You plum :lol:

[coatescombover]

as long as ekotto is nowhere near the starting line up we will i hope win.this player is without doubt one of the worst if not the worst players i have seen representing our club ( i have been attending since 1951) please;please ';do not select this awful liability

I always thought the title worst player was reserved for Paul Miller.

[southlondonyiddo]

I think he was referring to Ramos and not you SLY.......You plum :lol:

Oh shit!!

Sorry torbayspur, think I got the wrong end of the stick :oops:

Cheers A & C

[kicked]

Juande Ramos has called on the Club's fans to get behind the team more than ever before in the difficult situation we find ourselves in.

The Head Coach shares the pain of our loyal support as we go into Sunday's clash with Bolton Wanderers still without a Barclays Premier League win this season.

But he says this is exactly why his team are relying on the White Hart Lane faithful to keep the spirits high.

"The fans are very important to us in times like this because they can help the team," said Juande.

"I know it's difficult to say this when the team is losing, but it is when the team is losing that they need the help of the fans most."

Where, in any of that, does Ramos criticise the support? Can anyone point out to me the part where he knocks the fans commitment? What the fuck was he supposed to say to some reporter sticking a microphone under his bugle, other than a standard soundbite?

Spurs fans can be such ****s when things aren't going right.

Amen. Someone that actually read what he was supposed to have said!

[SouthLondonSpur]

I wonder what Ramos thinks is necessary now?