Spurs target Derby whiz Barnes

[mawspurs]

Tottenham are chasing Derby County midfielder Giles Barnes.

source - tribalfooball.com

The youngster is also a target for Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton, though Derby insist they do not have to sell the midfielder.

Spurs, which already has signed Tom Huddlestone from Derby, are banking on their good relationship with the Rams to secure Barnes ahead of Premiership rivals.

Looks like we are stocking up on good young players again.

[blankom]

Good player, but I think we have more than enough central midfielders. We should only go for him if/when Murphy, Tainio or Davids leaves us, which is unlikely to happen this january.

It seems to me that Jol doesn't want to play with two wingers, or else why are we only central midfielders(Bastürk, Barnes etc.)? Hope I'm wrong though!

What we need to do is to:
1) Sign a new central defender (Curtis Davies)
2) Sign a f*cking left winger - big time (Stewart Downing)
3) Apperantly Defoe's a Utd/L'pool player very soon. This means we'll sign a new "small" striker. Bellamy would be a decent replacement.

[Caboose]

Did you get your information from football manager? Tut tut tut, just spoke to my friend who's a Derby fan and he said this about him: "He plays up front or on the wing as a rule, he's nearly as big as the Hudds, "

[longdistancespursfan]

Good player, but I think we have more than enough central midfielders. We should only go for him if/when Murphy, Tainio or Davids leaves us, which is unlikely to happen this january.

It seems to me that Jol doesn't want to play with two wingers, or else why are we only central midfielders(Bastürk, Barnes etc.)? Hope I'm wrong though!

What we need to do is to:
1) Sign a new central defender (Curtis Davies)
2) Sign a f*cking left winger - big time (Stewart Downing)
3) Apperantly Defoe's a Utd/L'pool player very soon. This means we'll sign a new "small" striker. Bellamy would be a decent replacement.


1) doubt we will get davies, if he wasnt happy at west brom he wouldnt have signed a new contract and declared loyalty to them, arse bid 8 mill and it was turned down, cant see us payin more than 5 for what would be a squad player.

2) agree but it wont be downing like i have said many times before on here boro will not release him and never to us now unless we paid really silly money ie in excess of wat chelski paid for swp.

3) yeah i think bellamy would be ok, defoe is starting to look good tho for 1st time in 18 months, wouldnt that be typical, he would go elsewhere and score a bag full. would like bellamys pace and aggression tho!! if defoe goes to pool then we swap him for bellamy with few million our way cash adjustment, if its man u then we could take kieron richardson and wes brown. i think i would prefer the latter.

[longdistancespursfan]

if we sell 2 of murphy, tainio, davids, then we will need ONE new central midfielder, barnes could be a good choice, young enough to wait for his chance and scores goals, we should prob buy him then loan him out like we did with thud.

[bouncebackability]

My flatmate is a Derby fan and he is a striker.....apparently been banging them in this season and is mint.....

Although saying that he was unhappy when we signed Rasiak (as apparently he was the nuts)........Hmmmmmmm......Jurys out!

[oskathegobshite]

good relationship with Derby? I thought they were all pissed off with us for signing Big Tom and then loaning him to Wolves instead of Back to them?

[Caboose]

My flatmate is a Derby fan and he is a striker.....apparently been banging them in this season and is mint.....

Although saying that he was unhappy when we signed Rasiak (as apparently he was the nuts)........Hmmmmmmm......Jurys out!

At last someone who's not going by FM!!! As I said above he's NOT a central midfielder!

Think the difference between Barnes and Rasiak is that we can help develop this guy, where as Rasiak was supposed to be a finished article buy. If we do get him he'll be given a lot more chance to proove what he can do for us, not just be given a couple of games then abused.

[longdistancespursfan]

if he is a striker then his goals record isnt good enough, if thats true then i dont believe we will have any interest in him, how many strikers do we need. even if defoe goes i think we should buy someone more proven than barnes, nugent would be a much better option as a forward.

[Caboose]

if he is a striker then his goals record isnt good enough, if thats true then i dont believe we will have any interest in him, how many strikers do we need. even if defoe goes i think we should buy someone more proven than barnes, nugent would be a much better option as a forward.

He plays up front or on the wing. He's about 17. Also look at Rooney's goal scoring record, hardly prolific is it? I've never seen the guy play, I'll reserve actually commenting about whether it's worth buying him until I've seen him.

It's amazing how little enthusiasm there is, yet when the Leonardo storey came, a player in exactly the same mould (striker/winger) it was all excitement even tho he's 22 and never made it in the 'big time' of the Dutch league.

[davidmatzdorf]

It's amazing how little enthusiasm there is, yet when the Leonardo storey came, a player in exactly the same mould (striker/winger) it was all excitement even tho he's 22 and never made it in the 'big time' of the Dutch league.

If he were South American, everyone would be creaming themselves.

It's not as if our previous business with Derby has been a complete failure: a Huddlestone is worth a Rasiak, I reckon, especially as we sold Rasiak on for about what we paid for him.

[longdistancespursfan]

He plays up front or on the wing. He's about 17. Also look at Rooney's goal scoring record, hardly prolific is it? I've never seen the guy play, I'll reserve actually commenting about whether it's worth buying him until I've seen him.

It's amazing how little enthusiasm there is, yet when the Leonardo storey came, a player in exactly the same mould (striker/winger) it was all excitement even tho he's 22 and never made it in the 'big time' of the Dutch league.

i think the other people on here may be mis informed with there 2nd hand info on this player, everywhere i have looked on t'internet he is classed as a midfielder and no where does it say he is a winger that i can find it describes him as an attacking central midfielder, i also hope we dont sign that leonardo guy i have major doubts about him and his attitude from what i have read, granted. Had to laugh at u bringin rooney into the debate, rooney scores goals against the very best and on his prem debut scored if i remember correctly, rooney would probably score 30 a season in the championship, even rasiak is a goal machine there!!!

[longdistancespursfan]

heres a very long rcent report on him, sounds decent so as i said earlier if we get rid of murphy, tainio, davids then he might be worth a punt, but not for the left wing!!!

Giles Barnes has grown on me. I was unconvinced at first, as he looked to be a match-winner but a team loser. But even if he remains raw and occasionally in need of focus, there are aspects to his game which suggest the promise can be developed into real pedigree.
His performance against Barnsley last week summed up his strengths and weaknesses. A struggling Derby side got out of jail thanks to two brilliant finishes from Barnes, but it was no coincidence their reward came late. He had started playing just behind the front two, which meant Derby had no width and, as a result, struggled for an hour. He was then pushed to the flank but his instinct was to keep coming inside, clogging up the play in the centre.It was only when he was deployed as one of a central pairing in midfield that he and the team looked comfortable. Derby went route one and flung the ball forward to Steve Howard at every opportunity. Twice Barnes picked up the second-phase ball and finished brilliantly, with left then right foot. Perhaps with that performance in mind, Billy Davies used him in that central berth in the second half against West Bromwich at the weekend and I'm convinced he's better in that position: the side had more balance and he is able to make his influence felt there. It was no surprise when he popped up with another winner.

Four goals in three games from midfield is superb but his brief is not confined to getting forward. At times against the Baggies he sat back to allow Matt Oakley the freedom to break upfield to score Derby's equaliser. Indeed, once or twice, Barnes made vital tackles from the wrong side in and around his own box. On one occasion, after tracking his marker, he showed great maturity by standing up in the challenge rather than going to ground, which risked conceding a penalty, and shepherded the ball away.
Barking-born - it's not like West Ham to let one get away - he turned professional on his 17th birthday after coming through the Derby academy. Strong, quick, decent in the air and with a willing attitude, there are parts of his game which are very impressive, borne out by the fact that he has appeared for the England Under-18s and Under-19s.
However, there are other aspects which need work. He does not appear to be a natural in any of the positions in which he's played so far. Indeed he looks like a player who has not played enough games and yet has featured in too many roles. There's still a naivety to his game, suggesting he needs to be given a run in one position. Although he doesn't always anticipate the knockdowns from his forwards and can become too preoccupied with his opponents even when his team is in possession, I still believe that he is best suited in the centre where his ability to time runs forward and his willingness to defend and cover can flourish. Give him that niche and allow him to mature, and Barnes could become a real force.

[Caboose]

i think the other people on here may be mis informed with there 2nd hand info on this player, everywhere i have looked on t'internet he is classed as a midfielder and no where does it say he is a winger that i can find it describes him as an attacking central midfielder, i also hope we dont sign that leonardo guy i have major doubts about him and his attitude from what i have read, granted. Had to laugh at u bringin rooney into the debate, rooney scores goals against the very best and on his prem debut scored if i remember correctly, rooney would probably score 30 a season in the championship, even rasiak is a goal machine there!!!

Well I got my 2nd hand information from a person who's gone to watch Derby a handful of times this season, but sorry, seeing him play in the flesh isn't as accurate as reading something on the internet. Must remember that next time when season ticket holders use the argument that they know more than fans who watch games on T.V.

The Rooney reference was to show that you can look at stats on the internet see games played, goals scored and not get a full picture. Because if you were to never heard of Rooney nor seen him play and looked at his goal to game ratio you wouldn't be impressed!

All my points have been about is judge a player before you see them. When Hudd joined everyone was talking about him lining up along side King in central defence because things like footie manager made him out to be a central defender, now after everyone's seen him play they're saying his got the potential to be better midfield player than Carrick and ahead of Zokora or Jenas in the Spurs team!

[joey55]

He plays up front or on the wing. He's about 17. Also look at Rooney's goal scoring record, hardly prolific is it? I've never seen the guy play, I'll reserve actually commenting about whether it's worth buying him until I've seen him.

It's amazing how little enthusiasm there is, yet when the Leonardo storey came, a player in exactly the same mould (striker/winger) it was all excitement even tho he's 22 and never made it in the 'big time' of the Dutch league.

Leonardo was seen as the biggest young talent in holland and then he had three years of injury hell. He moved to NAC where he scored 8 in 11. He is a real talent in there was every reason to be excited about him. I've seen Barnes play and like him. However, with youngster his age that are already so physically well devloped it is difficult to tell wether they stand apart from others in their age group because of skill or simply because of theri physcial advantages. With the Hudd, you could tell his main attribute was his incredible control oer the ball when he passed it and not his size. With Barnes the distinction isn't yet so obvious.

[longdistancespursfan]

wat would a derby fan know about football anyway!

[blankom]

if we sell 2 of murphy, tainio, davids, then we will need ONE new central midfielder, barnes could be a good choice, young enough to wait for his chance and scores goals, we should prob buy him then loan him out like we did with thud.

Mate, the idea was only to sell one of them - no two or all three! Let's hope Murphy will be the one.:bowdown:

[Caboose]

Leonardo was seen as the biggest young talent in holland and then he had three years of injury hell. He moved to NAC where he scored 8 in 11. He is a real talent in there was every reason to be excited about him. I've seen Barnes play and like him. However, with youngster his age that are already so physically well devloped it is difficult to tell wether they stand apart from others in their age group because of skill or simply because of theri physcial advantages. With the Hudd, you could tell his main attribute was his incredible control oer the ball when he passed it and not his size. With Barnes the distinction isn't yet so obvious.

Quality mate, cheers for the info! http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif What position was he playing when you saw him? How did you rate him?

I see where you're coming from with the size thing, but if he's playing in the championship and staying in the team on merrit then that would suggest he does have something as he's playing alongside/against adults in a physical league..

[joey55]

Quality mate, cheers for the info! http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif What position was he playing when you saw him? How did you rate him?

I see where you're coming from with the size thing, but if he's playing in the championship and staying in the team on merrit then that would suggest he does have something as he's playing alongside/against adults in a physical league..

He played in an advanced position on the left. He played well, but didn't look amazing or anything. Usually when an 18 year old is playing first team football in the Championship it means that when they physically mature they will be Premiership standard. My concern is that he has already physically matured, so to make the step up he has to significantly improve as a footballer. He already looks good enough for a starting place for Fulham or Man City, but we need players capable of helping us qualify for the CL and at the moment he isn't that standard. I'd stick my kneck out and say he doesn't look to me like he will ever have the technical ability to play at the very very top. He could be worth a gamble if the price is right, but these days if your young, English and show any glimpse of talent the selling club want silly money.