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fatspur
20-05-2010, 04:01 PM
Source:Official Site (http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/futureplans/news/a-fitting-place-for-bill-in-new-stadium-plans-200510.html)

The famous Bill Nicholson Gates will provide a fitting home for a statue of the Club's greatest-ever manager at our planned new stadium.

The black iron gates found at the entrance to the West Stand at White Hart Lane have been retained in exciting new plans for the Northumberland Development Project announced today and to be submitted to Haringey Council this week.

The gates will remain in position between the two listed buildings with historic links to the Club - the former White Hart pub and the Red House - which, along with the Grade II listed Warmington House and the Dispensary, will now be refurbished and brought back to life as a pub and coffee shop.

Further to that, the Club can reveal that the statue will be positioned in the centre of the gates thereby re-creating the iconic photograph of Bill at the gates, taking pride of place on the south west approach to the stadium.

Daniel Levy, Chairman, commented, "This seemed an ideal way to make Bill a part of the fabric of the new stadium, continuing the memories of how much of a role he played at the current stadium and in the heritage of our Club. I think it will be a much-loved feature of the new designs and fans will enjoy walking past Bill and maybe stopping for a photograph or two."

Bill Nicholson OBE first walked through those gates on March 1, 1936 after he was invited for a trial by chief scout Ben Ives.

He was initially taken on as a ground staff boy before turning professional in August, 1938. He made 395 appearances in total and was part of the famous ‘push and run' team that won the Second Division title in 1950 and First Division crown in 1951.

But it's as a manager that Bill turned Tottenham Hotspur into one of the biggest clubs in world football.

He took over in October, 1958, won his first game 10-4 and led us to the famous ‘double' of championship and FA Cup in 1961, the first double of the modern era.

The FA Cup followed in 1962 and we became the first British team to win a European trophy with success in the European Cup Winners Cup in 1963.

Bill went on to lead the team to another FA Cup in 1967, League Cups in 1971 and 1973 and the UEFA Cup in 1972.

He resigned as manager in September, 1974, but was soon back as consultant to Keith Burkinshaw in July, 1976. He received the honour of being named Club President in 1991 and finally retired at the end of the 1996-97 season, although he remained as President.

In 1999, he had the road leading to the stadium from the High Road named after him - Bill Nicholson Way.

Bill passed away in October, 2004. His legacy lives on - and via this statue, his presence at the club will be recognised by generations to come.

The photograph shows the area of the refurbished listed buildings in the new plans. (http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/uploads/assets/637x335/ndp/may_2010/NDP_Night_Aerial_-_May_2010zoomed_637a.jpg)

The photo shows, from left to right - the former White Hart Pub; the Bill Nicholson gates; the Red House; the Tottenham and Edmonton Dispensary; Warmington House.

when I read that the buildings would now be preserved I could not see how they could be successfully integrated into the project, but if you check the OS mock-up, I think it will be just fine, and I love the idea of a statue of Sir Bill - the definition of "Spurs legend"

SCharles
20-05-2010, 08:27 PM
From that link it doesn't seem like the buildings will be integrated with the larger project very well.

JoeT
20-05-2010, 08:43 PM
Hi 'SC....' Do the buildings need to be integrated? I think they look just great in the pic....part of Spurs/the area past history, plus the B.N. gates of course.

double0
20-05-2010, 08:47 PM
The stadium is pie in the sky talk, until we see those diggers operating around Northumberland park is when I'll believe.

CosmicHotspur
20-05-2010, 09:44 PM
A statue is long overdue and fitting tribute.

Wonderful manager and wonderful man and I feel privileged that I knew him.

Geez
20-05-2010, 10:54 PM
A statue is long overdue and fitting tribute.

Wonderful manager and wonderful man and I feel privileged that I knew him.

So Cosmic, what is your opinion of Julie Welsh and that TV programme (http://www.ohwhenthespurs.co.uk/#/those-glory-glory-days/4535566888)?

Stono
21-05-2010, 12:15 AM
Would be nice to name one of the stands after him.

CosmicHotspur
21-05-2010, 01:16 AM
So Cosmic, what is your opinion of Julie Welsh and that TV programme (http://www.ohwhenthespurs.co.uk/#/those-glory-glory-days/4535566888)?


She was spying on me of course back in the 60s. :wink:

spud
21-05-2010, 02:24 AM
So Cosmic, what is your opinion of Julie Welsh and that TV programme (http://www.ohwhenthespurs.co.uk/#/those-glory-glory-days/4535566888)?

Thanks for the link Geez. I fondly remember the programme (got it on video somewhere) and it was great to see the interviews with the legendary Danny Blanchflower.

SCharles
21-05-2010, 07:58 AM
JoeT- It would be nice to have the building integrated into the larger scheme of the development. That's why we pay these firms so much to plan these things, so that the whole thing looks good and fits with the neighbourhood, history, etc of Tottenham. From the pics, it looks like the buildings are stand-alone and are just there because the planning folks said that we couldn't tear them down!

jonnyrotten
21-05-2010, 09:56 AM
You can't have seamless integration between the two types of building. Why not just celebrate the mix of old and new. Manchester has pulled this off pretty well and I personally love the scheme - the pub and coffee shop will be very popular that's for sure!

CosmicHotspur
21-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Some of my memories of these two buildings.

I knew staff who worked in Admin and the ticket office in the Red House back in the 60s and have fond memories of them. One was an ex-footballer (not with Spurs) and another was a perky blonde lady in her 40s and I always suspected they were an "item"!

I was always in the White Hart with the players (although well under age for some years!) and knew the late Joe Lucy, the publican and ex-boxer, who was a lot of fun and a really nice guy. He proudly displayed his Lonsdale Belt above the bar. There was live music there too and the atmosphere in the pub was always lively. I managed a rock/blues group from Enfield for a while when I was around 19 or 20 and they gigged there a few times.

The White Hart has long gone of course and the building has undergone many changes over the years.

I got Jimmy Greaves' autograph on the steps of the pub soon after he signed for us. He signed only for me and disappeared into the pub, leaving behind a lot of very disappointed kids holding out pens in vain and me looking very smug.

A couple of Christmas memories:

John White was teetotal. The other players in the pub kept topping up his pint glass of orange juice with nips of alcohol and he gradually got extremely drunk. He then decided he must go as he said he was going to the golf course.

He could hardly walk straight and some of us tried to stop him getting into his car but he shooed us away. I was really upset that some of the lads thought it was hilarious and didn't take his car keys away from him. He got into his car, reversed into the car park, smashing into the corrugated iron fence and drove off, grinning and oblivious.

How he got home I'll never know although we found out he didn't make it to the golf course but was put to bed by his wife, a very angry Sandra. The next day when he reported for training, looking somewhat paler than usual but surprisingly not hungover, he moaned about his car being damaged and said it must have happened overnight when it was parked outside his house. No-one enlightened him and some of the lads were feeling understandably guilty but relieved that he was still in one piece. A lucky escape.

Only seven months later, John was killed by lightning on the Crews Hill golf course in Enfield while sheltering from a storm under a tree so, sadly, that luck ran out. (I have told the story of that day and the day after elsewhere on SC).

Another memory is of mistletoe and several kisses, one from one of the youth team players which lasted a good few minutes and had the whole pub cheering and laughing. He was a good kisser, not saying who he was as I'm not a "kiss and tell" sort of girl! :wink: