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The anti-Stratford protests begin!

3Dnata

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Oct 5, 2008
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I want to stay in Tottenham but this £40 million loan by the LB of Newham to West Ham really looks desperate and I'm surprized it's legal.
 

michaelden

Knight of the Fat Fanny
Aug 13, 2004
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I want to stay in Tottenham but this £40 million loan by the LB of Newham to West Ham really looks desperate and I'm surprized it's legal.

I was wondering if it will be challenged. Lets wait & see
 

SE26YID

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May 24, 2005
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I am outraged. If we do go to Stratford, we will no longer the the real Tottenham. We will be a hideous modern version obessed with money. It's terrible.

I am 30 and have been privy to some of the worse Tottenham sides of all time. I had a season ticket for 3 years and went to most home games between 2003-2007. I saw some shite. I saw the 4-3 loss to City with 10 men. I saw the The Ginger Pele and Dean Richards pairing at the height of it's powers. So although I am over the moon with our recent revivial, and I enough praise cannot go to Levy for this, I am fuming he is trying to move us out of our home.

I wont rant on, but we are a successful enough where we are. We are challenging for the league are we not? Where we not a massive club in this stadium for how many years?

The crux of it is, Is support TOTTENHAM Hotspur. Whether we are in the champions league or the championship, rain or shine, I am a TOTTENHAM fan, and I'd like it to stay that way. It would feel soul less to win the league and champions league as a "Stratford Spur".

P.S when we were sh!t in the mid 2000's there were quite a few home games with seats spare. Imagine if we did turn that bad again, which can happen quickly in football, and we then have 25-30,000 for a home game in a 56,000 seater in Stratford? Awful.
 

michaelden

Knight of the Fat Fanny
Aug 13, 2004
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We will go shit staying in a 36000 seater, its the the effect of the new rules.
 

roosh

aka tottenham_til_i_die
Sep 21, 2006
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Just a quick question.

The OPLC (I think it was) announced that a significant amount of money will have to be paid by whoever wind the bidding for the OS, just to ensure that they don't walk away. Does anyone know if this was one of the stipulations before submitting applications, or was it just a reaction to talks of Spurs using it as leverage against Harringey Council?

Just wondering, because if it wasn't a stipulation on the submission of applications, then it could still be used as leverage, without actually having to commit to the OS.
 

Paxtonite

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Nov 28, 2004
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Someone talking sense on another spurs site............

A few seasons ago Tottenham Hotspur proudly celebrated 125 years of history. In 8 days time a decision will be taken that could shape its destiny for the next 125. It will be taken behind closed doors, by people eminent no doubt in their field but who are wholly unknown to the the public, who have little interest in football and none whatsoever in the future well-being of our club. The closest we get to a football man is the former managing director of Arsenal. Certainly no one has bothered to ask the fans.
Such is the changing face of football sadly. Fans have never (in recent years at least) been listened to. Nor will they. The Premier League Pound/Dollar/Yen/Juan/Euro/Rand ..delete as appropriate...is the over riding driver of anything football related at the moment.

The fans are the heart and soul of the club. We were there 125 years ago, we’re here now and we will be here for as long as our team pulls on the white shirt. Players and chairmen come and go, we hand down the white shirt to our children and grandchildren.
Yet when it comes to this most momentous of decisions, we are the very last people to be consulted. We turn up through rain and shine, good times and bad, we pay our money and pay the wages. Right now, we don’t exist.
As per my previous comment.

Levy apparently lacks the courage to appear in public to discuss his plans. It’s ironic that this furore comes at a time when he has largely won over our support by the way he has run the club.

He usually keeps a low profile in fairness, as he did over the Jol sacking debacle. He has other front men able to smooth things over better than he. He has seen his stock rise amongst spurs fans recently, but this could be a major backward step for him.

Either levy is playing an amazing and convincing game of brinkmanship or as is more likely in my opinion, he is counting on football fans to be consistent. By that i mean that all will be very quickly forgotten if success on the pitch continues and the OS keeps filling to capacity.
 

Lucky22

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Dec 11, 2006
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Can I make one point on this. We are NOT going to knock down the new Olympic stadium should we get the green light - only a portion of it and what is knocked down will be reused for a new athletics stadium at Crystal Palace!
Financially, the OS looks the best option and as I have said elsewhere, for those of us who have to travel from outside London to get to games it's a bloody nightmare. Hard enough to get tickets at times and then, when you do, getting to the ground and home is ridiculous! If the OS changes that, I'm with that bid.
In addition, with the new Fair Play rules coming in, it makes financial sense to keep money pumping into the club on the pitch while ensuring we get cost-effectiveness off it.
 

Mr-T

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Jan 24, 2006
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Can I make one point on this. We are NOT going to knock down the new Olympic stadium should we get the green light - only a portion of it and what is knocked down will be reused for a new athletics stadium at Crystal Palace!
Financially, the OS looks the best option and as I have said elsewhere, for those of us who have to travel from outside London to get to games it's a bloody nightmare. Hard enough to get tickets at times and then, when you do, getting to the ground and home is ridiculous! If the OS changes that, I'm with that bid.
In addition, with the new Fair Play rules coming in, it makes financial sense to keep money pumping into the club on the pitch while ensuring we get cost-effectiveness off it.
You're absolutely correct, we would be retaining a small part of the basement.
 

wizgell

Park Laner
Aug 11, 2004
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This is the one reply, aside from automated messages, that I have received from all of the commitee who vote next week.

Dear Dean,

Thank you for your email yesterday about the Olympics stadium, which you copied to the Secretary of State for Culture, Olympics, Media and Sport, the Rt HonJeremy Hunt MP. I am replying on his behalf.

I can assure you that the Government fully recognises that football clubs are much more than just a business – they are a way of life for many people and do have a massive influence on the financial, cultural and sporting environment in every town and city across the country. It is why the Government will be continuing its discussions with the football authorities on further governance reform and a greater involvement for supporters at their local clubs, with a view to setting out a way forward in these areas by May as agreed in the Department’s recent Business Plan.

As far as the Olympic Stadium itself is concerned, the Department’s main priority is to ensure a long-term, sustainable legacy. The Olympic Park Legacy Company (OPLC) is leading on determining the legacy use of the Stadium after the 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games, and is currently negotiating with the two short-listed consortiums bidding to use the Stadium. OPLC expects to have reached a settled position on the Stadium legacy by the end of this financial year, but I hope you will understand that the Minister can neither prejudge the outcome of OPLC’s process nor comment on the merits of either bid.

The Department appreciates your concern about the possibility that Tottenham Hotspur may be the successful bidder for the Olympic Stadium. However, the decision to bid and any decision to move the club, should the bid succeed, is a matter for the club and we would recommend that fans should make their views known to its Board.

Yours sincerely

Colin

Colin Green
Public Engagement Team
Department for Culture, Media and Sport
 

roosh

aka tottenham_til_i_die
Sep 21, 2006
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This is the one reply, aside from automated messages, that I have received from all of the commitee who vote next week.

when is the end of the financial year? is it the end of march?
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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I think this article from today's ES pretty much sums up how I feel about Stratford. Infact it covers everything so prefectly, it's almost like the guy was inside my mind...:eek:mg:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...but-leaving-lane-is-the-only-viable-option.do

Spurs will lose their identity but leaving Lane is the only viable option

Tim Nichols
21 Jan 2011





The proposed move of Tottenham Hotspur seven miles across London from N17 to Stratford makes sense from a business perspective, it makes sense from a commercial perspective and it makes sense if Spurs want their future to be as glorious as their past.


But taking Tottenham out of Tottenham would strip something away from the club that would be impossible to replace - their identity.


Spurs are a north London club. They were founded there in 1882 and the atmospheric White Hart Lane, their home since 1899, is where they belong.

Sadly, such sentimentality has no place in modern football and if Tottenham want to keep pace and compete with the top clubs, it is essential they have a stadium that generates significant funds.


The bottom line is money, or rather the bottom line is £200million.
That is the considerable difference between Spurs redeveloping their home of the last 112 years and the club relocating to the Olympic site in Stratford.


Any credible businessman (which Tottenham chairman Daniel Levy most certainly is) would choose the more financially prudent option. Especially when that cheaper alternative comes with ready-made transport links - something any visitor to White Hart Lane will tell you is distinctly lacking in the area.


Unlike neighbours Arsenal, who moved from Highbury to Emirates Stadium in 2006, Spurs are not an established Champions League club, they do
not have a Highbury Square-style development to help fund their new stadium and they do not have a wealth of young talent waiting in the wings to make up for the lack of transfer funds that relocation would bring.


Redeveloping White Hart Lane at such a cost could seriously undermine the progress the club have made in recent seasons. If Tottenham want to be one of the truly big clubs, they simply cannot afford to remain at their spiritual home.


While I have only been going to White Hart Lane since the 80's, I have seen such talents as Paul Gascoigne, Gary Lineker, Chris Waddle and Jurgen Klinsmann grace the famous old stadium.


Generations before me packed on to The Shelf to watch Bill Nicholson's brilliant 'Double' team, to watch the 'glory, glory' nights as Spurs dazzled Europe on their way to the 1963 Cup Winners' Cup and the UEFA Cup wins - on home turf - against Wolves and Anderlecht.


I have yet to meet a fan in favour of leaving the Lane and all these memories behind but the majority understand that it is a necessary evil if the club want to become part of the elite.


The club's soul is, and always has been, at White Hart Lane - but football sold its soul a long time ago. Spurs need to embrace the new reality or they'll be left behind.
 

roosh

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Sep 21, 2006
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Just wondering, if spurs were to move, would a spurs museum (of some sort) on the Northumberland Park site, be, in any way, satisfactory to those looking to retain the connection to N17?
 

roosh

aka tottenham_til_i_die
Sep 21, 2006
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I think this article from today's ES pretty much sums up how I feel about Stratford. Infact it covers everything so prefectly, it's almost like the guy was inside my mind...:eek:mg:

that makes two of our minds that guy was in.

if the figures are to be believed, and there is reason to believe them, then that article pretty much sums up my views, with one slight exception. I think we will change only part of our identity, but will never forget it, much like we change our identity as we grow older, but who we are is shaped by who we were.
 

wizgell

Park Laner
Aug 11, 2004
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Just wondering, if spurs were to move, would a spurs museum (of some sort) on the Northumberland Park site, be, in any way, satisfactory to those looking to retain the connection to N17?

No offence mate but that is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. A club museum in the area? Yes, but only if the stadium was across the road.
 

roosh

aka tottenham_til_i_die
Sep 21, 2006
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No offence mate but that is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. A club museum in the area? Yes, but only if the stadium was across the road.

is there anything that could be done to mark the site, were we to leave?
 

michaelden

Knight of the Fat Fanny
Aug 13, 2004
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Yip, build some flats, shops, and a statue and sell them all at an exorbatent price
 

gibbs131

Banned
May 20, 2005
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Just wondering, if spurs were to move, would a spurs museum (of some sort) on the Northumberland Park site, be, in any way, satisfactory to those looking to retain the connection to N17?

Nah. It will be a pain in the ass to get to. :wink:

Imagine those streets at night with no police on horseback. No thanks! Eek
 
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