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Spurs_Bear

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Jan 7, 2009
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Perhaps you could argue in an adult manner rather than responding with childish sarcasm. People can have differing views, its something you have to accept. However belittling others and thinking that your view is correct is arrogant. No one has to see eye to eye, but to go around looking for conflict because someone disagrees with you is not a good thing.

Cool story.

Bee Movie is more interesting than this conversation. So I'm out.
 

steve

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Oct 21, 2003
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That was hard to take at the end but it shows how far we've come as a team that we're disappointed to lose it. We missed Adebayor terribly but still could've won which says an awful lot - get the right striker(s) long term and we're in business.

I actually thought King was magnificent today better than anyone else and then the pen came - caught wrong side from a hopeful punt and a difficult bounce he lunged and gave a defo pen against a player who should've been off the pitch. I knew the pen was a formality.

We kept our shape well first half without looking like scoring and the players were disciplined and quite clearly working to a plan. Walker went to sleep on both goals and must learn from this and quickly - he did the same at Swansea. I thought Defoe's goal was excellent opportunism and Bale's was just stunning. The introduction of Livermore was perfectly timed and with the momentum our way we looked more likely to win it. Savic teetered all game and the mistake for the goal tipped him over the edge - he was there to be taken afterwards and the 2nd mistake was no surprise. Maybe Bale should've played Defoe in earlier, maybe Defoe should've been closer to the play but the miss was a choker.

Still one thing the players must take from this is belief. Win, lose or draw the performance tells them that they can go anywhere and win. I honestly think we can go to Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and win and do the same against United at home, all inferior teams to City. Before this game I don't think they quite believed - now they should most definitely...
 

DanNolan

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Oct 14, 2006
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Friedel 6.5 - Few very good saves but i think him staying on his line costs us goals.

Walker 6 - Was good first half however he seemed to have a meltdown second half giving the ball away and was at fault on nasris goal.
BAE 7 Thought he played very well today, used the ball well (apart from in 93rd min :( )
Kaboul 8 - Awesome won everything in the air.
King 7- Was awesome for 93 minutes but in truth cost us the draw in the end. Shame.

Parker 6.5 - Played better second half but gives the ball away more often lately and struggles to get back on occasion.
Modric 8 - I thought he was the Hub of most good things today and the longer the game went on (plus livermores introduction set him free) he looked likely to make the winner.
Lennon 7 - Solid game today, is involved in lots of goals this season and was a constant threat second half. Good as a defensive winger too, gives waler good protection. Was a little annoyed he got subbed tbh.
Bale 7 - Awful until his goal and a menace afterwards. Needs to stay wide as its where he does his damage. (drifting inside rather than starting there)
VDV 6.5 - Much too deep first half gave Defoe no support whatsoever. Was just coming into the game when he got subbed.
Defoe 7 - Tried hard, scored a good goal and created space for the wingers by dragging CBs wide.

Livermore 7- was good when he came on. We defended very well after his arrival as a team.
Pienaar 6 - Little time but I dont understand when he got so slow. Worked hard but looks under pressure with the ball at his feet. Not going to ever suit us imo
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Perhaps totally outplayed was extreme. They were a lot more incisive and appeared threatening. When we had the ball in the final third with the wingers you knew what was going to happen. We wouldn't find the striker with one cross out of a hundred given the height and physicality of the city defence.
The best way to exploit that game would have been to use the inside channels in between richards and Savic when Richards went attacking. This was also not a game to play VDV, two wingers and JD. VDV needed to drop deep for us to gain any possession, but we could not link the midfield to the attack because defoe is not that type of striker. If we had 2 DMs this makes winning the ball back in these types of games a lot quicker and allows us to counter quickly whilst City are still in a transitional stage. Having Livermore and Parker on the field allowed us to win the ball up higher and that resulted in the chance that Defoe missed from Bale. Only one of VDV and Lennon should have started.


I agree with some of what you are saying, but totally outplayed was just plain wrong.

I have said that we needed to be cleverer, but Bale, Lennon and Defoe will never be as clever as Silva, Nasri & Aguero. And Man City are coached to be tactically more defensively disciplined than we are.

Under those circumstances, I thought that this was a pretty even tussle, with neither side ever dominating or creating more than a couple of decent chances.

I would even venture that if we had a better striker on there than Defoe we could have edged that game, certainly had more ball and maybe created a couple more chances.
 

carpediem991

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May 31, 2011
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I won't blame Ledley, he is playing great for years when he is available

I won't blame Assou Ekotto, he is a great dude who really loves the club and Tottenham.

I won't blame Defoe, he scored over 100 goals, some very important ones, and brought us back in the game.


But........It is that fucking annoying.....horrible

Everyone a 7, Kaboul and Friedel 7.5
 

Pedro

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Jan 4, 2005
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I don't want to point the finger, since we lose as a team and all that shit, but I've seen people try to blame Defoe, Bale, King and BAE for us losing for one reason or another - some of which is reflected in the ratings. However Walker has somehow escaped any blame from what I have read. I think he has had a great season, but today he seemed to have a real stinker. I feel he was at fault for the first two goals by losing his man (Chimbonda style) - I mean real schoolboy stuff. What do you guys think - is this harsh? Will have to see again on MOTD. He also had a stupid 40 yard shot instead of an easy pass on what was a promising attack.

Kaboul MOTM for me 8. Friedel was also great today 7.5. Everyone else did well 7, but for the above reasons, and I really hate to single him out but Walker 6 - he didn't seem himself, but easy to forget he's a kid so will hopefully learn from this.
 

gavspur

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Jun 24, 2004
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I thought from kick-off that BAE amd Walker looked uncomfortable, both were nery and unusually wasteful with a lot of what they did, just seemed to consistently make bad choices (throw-in straight to a man city player, passing the ball straight out, letting people in behind them etc)..

I could see one or both of them costing us today, and they did.. Which is a shame to say cos they've both been exceptional all season.

I voted for Parker today, the guy just busts a gut/head/lung everytime.
 

raf18

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Aug 29, 2006
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Kaboul MOTM. He's been immense this year and looking like becoming one of the best around. Several great clearances from pressure crosses in our box.
 

garyhopkins

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Jun 22, 2008
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Friedel 6.5
Walker 6
King 7
Kaboul 7.5
BAE 5
Lennon 6.5
Bale 7
Modric 7
Parker 7.5
VDV 6.5
Defoe 6.5
sub
Livermore 6
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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That was hard to take at the end but it shows how far we've come as a team that we're disappointed to lose it. We missed Adebayor terribly but still could've won which says an awful lot - get the right striker(s) long term and we're in business.

I actually thought King was magnificent today better than anyone else and then the pen came - caught wrong side from a hopeful punt and a difficult bounce he lunged and gave a defo pen against a player who should've been off the pitch. I knew the pen was a formality.

We kept our shape well first half without looking like scoring and the players were disciplined and quite clearly working to a plan. Walker went to sleep on both goals and must learn from this and quickly - he did the same at Swansea. I thought Defoe's goal was excellent opportunism and Bale's was just stunning. The introduction of Livermore was perfectly timed and with the momentum our way we looked more likely to win it. Savic teetered all game and the mistake for the goal tipped him over the edge - he was there to be taken afterwards and the 2nd mistake was no surprise. Maybe Bale should've played Defoe in earlier, maybe Defoe should've been closer to the play but the miss was a choker.

Still one thing the players must take from this is belief. Win, lose or draw the performance tells them that they can go anywhere and win. I honestly think we can go to Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and win and do the same against United at home, all inferior teams to City. Before this game I don't think they quite believed - now they should most definitely...

Well said Steve...

I'm still gutted but equally proud.
 

stevenqoz

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Apr 10, 2006
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Friedel 6
Walker 6
King 6.5
Kaboul 8.5
BAE 5.5
Lennon 6
Bale 7
Modric 7
Parker 6.5
VDV 6
Defoe 6.5
sub
Livermore 6
Pienaar NET
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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I'd give everyone a 7 and Bale 8.

Personally I was very proud of the way we played without doubt were on even terms quality wise to City.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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That was hard to take at the end but it shows how far we've come as a team that we're disappointed to lose it. We missed Adebayor terribly but still could've won which says an awful lot - get the right striker(s) long term and we're in business.

I actually thought King was magnificent today better than anyone else and then the pen came - caught wrong side from a hopeful punt and a difficult bounce he lunged and gave a defo pen against a player who should've been off the pitch. I knew the pen was a formality.

We kept our shape well first half without looking like scoring and the players were disciplined and quite clearly working to a plan. Walker went to sleep on both goals and must learn from this and quickly - he did the same at Swansea. I thought Defoe's goal was excellent opportunism and Bale's was just stunning. The introduction of Livermore was perfectly timed and with the momentum our way we looked more likely to win it. Savic teetered all game and the mistake for the goal tipped him over the edge - he was there to be taken afterwards and the 2nd mistake was no surprise. Maybe Bale should've played Defoe in earlier, maybe Defoe should've been closer to the play but the miss was a choker.

Still one thing the players must take from this is belief. Win, lose or draw the performance tells them that they can go anywhere and win. I honestly think we can go to Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea and win and do the same against United at home, all inferior teams to City. Before this game I don't think they quite believed - now they should most definitely...


I actually thought King was good but thought Kaboul was commanding yesterday.

I'm not sure how much our belief will have been boosted to be honest Steve. I think the way we chucked that game away by wasting a great chance and then allowing them to win it at the death will have the opposite effect. I remember Arsenal doing this at Birmingham (the famous Gallas incident) when they were chasing a title, and it killed them.

I think there were a lot of positives, but ultimately we threw the game away, and I'm not sure how much confidence we'll take from that.
 

Mr Pink

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Aug 25, 2010
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I actually thought King was good but thought Kaboul was commanding yesterday.

I'm not sure how much our belief will have been boosted to be honest Steve. I think the way we chucked that game away by wasting a great chance and then allowing them to win it at the death will have the opposite effect. I remember Arsenal doing this at Birmingham (the famous Gallas incident) when they were chasing a title, and it killed them.

I think there were a lot of positives, but ultimately we threw the game away, and I'm not sure how much confidence we'll take from that.

It could have that affect BC - but I doubt it. When you look at it in the cold light of day, when the dust has settled and the anger has receded, we were a couple of inches away from pulling off the performance of the season given the context of this particular game and what had already unfolded.

I agree with Souness, we need to see some anger in our response, and I think that's exactly what we'll see.

We are stronger than Arseanal mentally...they wouldn't of got back into that game yesterday like that - no way.

There are massive positives to take from that comeback yesterday against the league leaders in their back yard...Harry will get that across I'm sure.
 

Spurs_Bear

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Jan 7, 2009
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I actually thought King was good but thought Kaboul was commanding yesterday.

I'm not sure how much our belief will have been boosted to be honest Steve. I think the way we chucked that game away by wasting a great chance and then allowing them to win it at the death will have the opposite effect. I remember Arsenal doing this at Birmingham (the famous Gallas incident) when they were chasing a title, and it killed them.

I think there were a lot of positives, but ultimately we threw the game away, and I'm not sure how much confidence we'll take from that.

It could have that affect BC - but I doubt it. When you look at it in the cold light of day, when the dust has settled and the anger has receded, we were a couple of inches away from pulling off the performance of the season given the context of this particular game and what had already unfolded.

I agree with Souness, we need to see some anger in our response, and I think that's exactly what we'll see.

We are stronger than Arseanal mentally...they wouldn't of got back into that game yesterday like that - no way.

There are massive positives to take from that comeback yesterday against the league leaders in their back yard...Harry will get that across I'm sure.

I agree with Mr Pink (and Steve...) here BC, that Arsenal game they were actually ahead and threw away the lead, and that was a game that they were expected to win easily, plus the Gallas thing didn't help matters.

When we went 2-0 yesterday we were dead and buried but we showed great 'bouncebackability', then got kicked in the teeth. I think we will take heart from it but the next game is massive, even if it is against a Championship side, it wont be easy.
 

Bus-Conductor

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It could have that affect BC - but I doubt it. When you look at it in the cold light of day, when the dust has settled and the anger has receded, we were a couple of inches away from pulling off the performance of the season given the context of this particular game and what had already unfolded.

I agree with Souness, we need to see some anger in our response, and I think that's exactly what we'll see.

We are stronger than Arseanal mentally...they wouldn't of got back into that game yesterday like that - no way.

There are massive positives to take from that comeback yesterday against the league leaders in their back yard...Harry will get that across I'm sure.


Didn't Arsenal come back twice to beat Chelsea away this season ? They also came back yesterday themselves only to loose like us late on. Chelsea have won games late (Wolves) too.

I have said this for a while now, but there is a vulnerability to all of us at the moment. In some ways, this is the weakest Championship race for a while. There are 5 teams who are all very close, and as defensively poor as each other. All five teams showed it again this weekend. And I'm not saying we are the worst either. But I think that was more of a blow than a boost to our morale yesterday. I hope I'm wrong.
 

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