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Spursking

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Actually you're not right there SK, now is the best time for 5-6 years to play online poker, if you have the time and depending how much 'a living is' its very possible to do it playing online poker.

Better than trading odds on Betfair?
 

OmarsComing

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Better than trading odds on Betfair?

Yes.

95% of money on betfair is clued up money. Below 200nl there is still free money. But the games are getting tougher and poker needs the American market back as well as Asia.
 

OmarsComing

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Anybody playing 'Zoom' on Pokerstars?

It's really great, 4 tables max at a time but you can still play a thousand hands an hour this way!

If you could pay 8 tables at once it would be perfect!

You can play 10 at once on ipoker speed, or you could open up 4 6max and 4 9max on stars.

Alternatively play 4 stars, 4 full tilt
 

JerryGarcia

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Yes.

95% of money on betfair I clued up money. Below 200nl there is still free money. But the games are getting tougher and poker needs the American market back as well as Asia.

This is basically what it comes down to, at least get the Americans back up and running (Asians would be a huge bonus). So many poker rooms are empty now, sometimes you have to wait 15 mins to be seated when you used to have to be double quick just to get in a game before it filled up. After black Friday my bank roll peaked and then slowly went down and down, might just be coincidence but there used to be a lot of late night Americans who were happy to give away their money.
 

Spursking

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In general, I don't think poker is a moneymaker. Trading odds however is something with skill.
 

Legend10

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In general, I don't think poker is a moneymaker. Trading odds however is something with skill.

You think there's no skill in poker?

Poker is absolutely a money maker, certainly easier than trading sports odds. There's more skill involved in poker than trading, having spent plenty of time doing both I'm confident that plenty could play poker for a living if they wanted, whereas trading these days is near impossible unless you take the in play route.
 

Legend10

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This is basically what it comes down to, at least get the Americans back up and running (Asians would be a huge bonus). So many poker rooms are empty now, sometimes you have to wait 15 mins to be seated when you used to have to be double quick just to get in a game before it filled up. After black Friday my bank roll peaked and then slowly went down and down, might just be coincidence but there used to be a lot of late night Americans who were happy to give away their money.

Well yes the Americans are missed but the emergence of the Russian and Ukrainien markets have helped, actually the Americans are all in all pretty useful so I don't miss them too much. What we need are the Cypriots, the Spanish ad Greeks back as in the main they are very poor.
 

OmarsComing

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For me this type of software should be banned, you can't use it in a casino so you shouldn't be able to use it online. It's removing skill ad the learning process from the game.

Nah it's actually increasing the skill level of players, that's why the games are so tough nowadays.

I know regulars who were 1000nl regs 3 years ago and now they can't beat 100nl
 

OmarsComing

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Well yes the Americans are missed but the emergence of the Russian and Ukrainien markets have helped, actually the Americans are all in all pretty useful so I don't miss them too much. What we need are the Cypriots, the Spanish ad Greeks back as in the main they are very poor.

Americans have the best players, but they also have the most players and worldwide there are far more losing players than winning ones, so America has the most donks with more disposable income.
 

Legend10

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Nah it's actually increasing the skill level of players, that's why the games are so tough nowadays.

I know regulars who were 1000nl regs 3 years ago and now they can't beat 100nl

Precisely, I totally agree apart from its not increasing the natural skill level of players it's literally telling them what to do, which in my opinion is wrong and it should be banned.

I have no problem with software that gives you stats on your game etc, but all this EV information and opponents bet %'s etc isn't right. For example you can see somebody has a 3 bet % of 2.5%, well there it is he 3 bets with QQ+ or AK, so you literally know what he's holding and if none of those hit the flop you can be 99% certain he hasn't improved his hand, it's bullshit!

This type of software is the reason that the games have become so hard to beat.
 

Spursking

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Precisely, I totally agree apart from its not increasing the natural skill level of players it's literally telling them what to do, which in my opinion is wrong and it should be banned.

I have no problem with software that gives you stats on your game etc, but all this EV information and opponents bet %'s etc isn't right. For example you can see somebody has a 3 bet % of 2.5%, well there it is he 3 bets with QQ+ or AK, so you literally know what he's holding and if none of those hit the flop you can be 99% certain he hasn't improved his hand, it's bullshit!

This type of software is the reason that the games have become so hard to beat.

When you can add a software to a software that already runs automatically, I am a bit sceptic. That is why odds is more skill. You analyze each match, and YOU decide how you want to do it. Your knowledge in the sport will give you profit.
 

Legend10

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When you can add a software to a software that already runs automatically, I am a bit sceptic. That is why odds is more skill. You analyze each match, and YOU decide how you want to do it. Your knowledge in the sport will give you profit.

But what you're describing there isn't trading, it's betting.

As far as trading goes you can scalp using your method but that's about it.

Also bookmakers use Betfair to reduce their liability when they're takings big get and how do you know this?

Horse racing is now virtually impossible to trade, I think the best trading available on Betfair is scalping on the tennis market.
 

Spursking

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But what you're describing there isn't trading, it's betting.

As far as trading goes you can scalp using your method but that's about it.

Also bookmakers use Betfair to reduce their liability when they're takings big get and how do you know this?

Horse racing is now virtually impossible to trade, I think the best trading available on Betfair is scalping on the tennis market.

There are many ways of trading the markets. You have to find your own style. You could scalp the markets like you mention, you can put 5% of your bankroll and green up in-play, you can trade based on accumulators, you can arb-trade the markets. Pre-event trading is also very interesting. This is where you look for trands and movements in the market, and you secure o profit before the event has even started.
 

Legend10

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There are many ways of trading the markets. You have to find your own style. You could scalp the markets like you mention, you can put 5% of your bankroll and green up in-play, you can trade based on accumulators, you can arb-trade the markets. Pre-event trading is also very interesting. This is where you look for trands and movements in the market, and you secure o profit before the event has even started.

Of course, and you can put 5% of your bankroll down and green up in play, unless of course the game s going the wrong wy and then you've risked 5% of your entire bankroll on one bet and I certainly wouldn't recommend that.

And of course you can make profit prior to an event, if and its a big if the market moves in your favour!

Poker on the other hand brings mathematics, pressure, bluff etc etc in to the equation.

SK how much money are you making trading on Betfair?
 

spursbri111

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just seen this thread. I only play live poker now. last time on line i turned 100 dollars into 1500 on cash tables. gradually moved up the stakes to 15/30 dollar blinds. I knew I was out of my depth so only played premium hands. got jj. raise and call . flop is AJJ . other guy has AK which I guessed. bet call next card another ace. he bets I put him all in last card ace. don't play on line anymore
 

Legend10

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just seen this thread. I only play live poker now. last time on line i turned 100 dollars into 1500 on cash tables. gradually moved up the stakes to 15/30 dollar blinds. I knew I was out of my depth so only played premium hands. got jj. raise and call . flop is AJJ . other guy has AK which I guessed. bet call next card another ace. he bets I put him all in last card ace. don't play on line anymore

I've seen as bad live, only paying enough hands can overcome variance, you can't do that live.
 

Spursking

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This is an example of how you can trade the Betfair markets by putting 5% of your bankroll on each event:

Aberdeen 0 Celtic 2 72,30%
Swansea 1 Man Utd 4 44,90%Leeds Utd 1 Sheff Wed 1 79,80%
Hamburg 1 Hoffenheim 5 48,80%
Molde 1 Odd Greenland 1 48,80%Arsenal 1 Aston Villa 3 -91,50%
The total percentage yesterday was 5 Greens and 1 red, final profit of + 203 %.
I am following a professional team of traders, but this is how they do it.
 

OmarsComing

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This is an example of how you can trade the Betfair markets by putting 5% of your bankroll on each event:

Aberdeen 0 Celtic 2 72,30%
Swansea 1 Man Utd 4 44,90%Leeds Utd 1 Sheff Wed 1 79,80%
Hamburg 1 Hoffenheim 5 48,80%
Molde 1 Odd Greenland 1 48,80%Arsenal 1 Aston Villa 3 -91,50%
The total percentage yesterday was 5 Greens and 1 red, final profit of + 203 %.
I am following a professional team of traders, but this is how they do it.

Can I follow?
 
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