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Louis Van Gaal appointed Man Utd manager.

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Mr Pink said:
I really, really don't get all this flavour of the month thing being attributed to Pochettino. I judge on what I see, not hiding behind little cliches.

There is a very clear way he has Southampton playing, and they're totally consistent in that - week in, week out. That is very much down to the manager and that's what we should be judging him on - the evidence on the pitch.

Its not like a bunch of quality players being man managed very well, and each week its a bit of individual quality that gets them the result, then I could understand it.

Far from it, they have a collective identity, a very discernible playing style that is very pleasing on the eye and and is also dam effective. That's down to the manager, and what's even more impressive was how quickly he was able to get his ideas across.

Flavour of the month? Not a shot in a hell for me.
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I think people are worried because he is in charge of a team that even we managed to beat twice.
 
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Just got to hope that tonight's second half implosion doesn't effect Moyes long term situation.
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I doubt it. His players were amped in that situation, and that's a difficult situation for a rookie manager in the CL quarterfinals to bring his players back down to earth from. If anything, I'd like to assume that Man U's advancement in the tournament despite their domestic struggles is a strong plus being weighed by the board.
 
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spurs9 said:
I think people are worried because he is in charge of a team that even we managed to beat twice.
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Don't know why that's really that important. We have a lot more individual quality so its always possible that we could out gun them on a good day. The point, for me at least, is that Pochettino has that team playing greater than the sum of its individual parts, excuse the cliche.

Now, imagine he achieves similar with us - with a better and much deeper pool of talent to work with.

I mean we got the better of Everton this season (a draw and a win) - does that mean people wouldn't be interested if Martinez fluttered his eye lashes our direction? Highly doubt it.
 
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Sometimes in football you have to give in and sadly that is what I have done.

I don't think Moyes will be gone quickly but I have given into the feeling that he is a dead man walking with LvG waiting in the wings.

Good night cruel World, I'm off to bed.
 
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Anybody have a qualified guess on which players would LvG bring in, and which at Spurs are already "made" for him? As far as I can understand, Lloris, Chiriches, Paulinho, Sandro and Eriksen are all close to ready to go. The rest of the team, I'm not too sure how they and LvG would be a good fit? (Omitting Vertonghen due to him leaving).
 
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Apparently Baldini is Simeone's father in law.
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Everlasting Seconds said:
Anybody have a qualified guess on which players would LvG bring in, and which at Spurs are already "made" for him? As far as I can understand, Lloris, Chiriches, Paulinho, Sandro and Eriksen are all close to ready to go. The rest of the team, I'm not too sure how they and LvG would be a good fit? (Omitting Vertonghen due to him leaving).
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Where? First I've heard of it.
 
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Mr Pink said:
Don't know why that's really that important. We have a lot more individual quality so its always possible that we could out gun them on a good day. The point, for me at least, is that Pochettino has that team playing greater than the sum of its individual parts, excuse the cliche.

Now, imagine he achieves similar with us - with a better and much deeper pool of talent to work with.

I mean we got the better of Everton this season (a draw and a win) - does that mean people wouldn't be interested if Martinez fluttered his eye lashes our direction? Highly doubt it.
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I agree with you, but some people will only have those games as evidence of how his team plays and will judge on the results alone.

Personally, out of the realistic candidates (assuming Simone and Martinez are unrealistic) Pochettino is in my top 3 with LVG and De Boer.
 
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spurs9 said:
I agree with you, but some people will only have those games as evidence of how his team plays and will judge on the results alone.

Personally, out of the realistic candidates (assuming Simone and Martinez are unrealistic) Pochettino is in my top 3 with LVG and De Boer.
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Ah ok, with you now.

Agree with you on the realistic candidates as well.
 
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It would not surprise me if Levy is holding out for ancellotti. We know there is an existing relationship where both parties have an interest to work together.

If Real do not win the champs league or la liga then he is most likely going to be shown the door. They have sacked managers for far less before.

I think we would be a good fit for him and vice versa.

LVG would still be the one for me as he seems more capable of building a club. But id be delighted with Ancellotti.
 
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jolegend said:
It would not surprise me if Levy is holding out for ancellotti. We know there is an existing relationship where both parties have an interest to work together.

If Real do not win the champs league or la liga then he is most likely going to be shown the door. They have sacked managers for far less before.

I think we would be a good fit for him and vice versa.

LVG would still be the one for me as he seems more capable of building a club. But id be delighted with Ancellotti.
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While I'm certainly not saying this to debase your point about Ancellotti, because I agree with you in that regard, I think the relationship with Madrid is no more than a pipeline. The "mutual relationship" seems to extend as far as providing a direct route for our best players out of the league, and also as a recruitment tool for us since our young targets see such an opportunity. Musa Yahaya, the young Nigerian midfielder we signed in January, himself cited that he'd like to play for Madrid someday. If that motivates him to come to Spurs and work his bollocks off to become a solid Prem player and contributor in the process, then I'll take it rather than him going on to becoming a great in Germany somewhere.

I know people hate the "relationship" and view them as poachers, but if it's viewed realistically and without emotional goggles, it's clear that it does provide us with a great deal of benefit despite not seeing immediate return of personnel.
 
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spurs9 said:
I think people are worried because he is in charge of a team that even we managed to beat twice.
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No, it's mostly because of his failures at Espanyol, and how strict he is about his system. Pochettino's gameplay asks for very specific player types, and he will eventually chop and choose within the squad to get it the way he wants. He won't come here to get the best out of our players, he will come here and ask himself which players will get the best out of his system. This may work at a club like Southampton, where they have a nice flow of young talent coming through the academy. But here, I really think we need someone to take our squad and get it playing as a team. We don't need someone to chop it up again.

If you look back at Espanyol, he also went waaaaay too far with his reconstruction of the squad, and made nearly identical mistakes to AVB. He pushed out fan-favorite older players, and overworked the squad (2 a day fitness training). He lost the locker room, the fans, and the board.

I simply think he is destined to make the same mistakes, as he is playing the exact same system at Southampton as he did at Espanyol. He seems far too focused on his system for our squad. I just don't think it will work, especially not here.

FYI, here is his system from the perspective of a saints fan once he was appointed.

So in summary the main characteristics of his football are:
- Lots of pressure on the opposition in their half
- Attacking
- One and two touch football to move the ball quickly
- A high defensive line

How well do we think the existing squad is aligned to this approach?

Pressing The Opposition
This is a sure way to completely exhaust Rickie Lambert yet it appears the pressing will start from the front. However Lambert is clearly our most effective striker so how will he press so much without the ball and yet still remain a threat when we have it?

Attacking
This will suit us very well - though I am a bit concerned at the counter attacking ability of the better teams.

One and two touch football to move the ball quickly
I am not too sure about this - it relies on lots of movement and of course lots of quality. We are bound to lose the ball far more often than we like. In the Championship and by and large in this league we aren't really an 'early ball' team - we tend to work it a bit and tease open a situation. This sort of football is quite different.

A high defensive line
This is quite scary given our current personnel - our improved defence has been all about team shape ensuring weaknesses can't be exposed. None of our centre-halves are particularly quick and whilst they are decent at reading the game there isn't much you can do when the ball is lumped over your head into 30 yards of space. This is the biggest concern for me. I think back to how AVB did this at Chelsea with far better defenders and they were opened up at will.

The other theme to all this is how well the squad as a whole is aligned to this sort of football. It will be interesting to see if players who had a small role to play with Adkins (or no role at all) find this type of football a better fit for their abilities or whether it is something our best team / better players will be able to take to. There will be some casualties along the way but if I had to hedge a bet I could fast see Chaplow becoming a preference off the bench ahead of Davis because of his energy and how he hustles. Just as we get tired in midfield he could replace a winger and run about hassling the opposition. But that is just a hunch.
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He purchased Osvaldo to be his pressing forward, just as he did at Espanyol, and it failed him once more. It's all just a little too AVB take 2 for me, and I don't think we can afford to take another managerial hit.
 
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