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Tim Sherwood - Frank de Boer speculation is 'disappointing'

SlunkSoma

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avonspurs said:
One of many contradictory statements from the man - he did, indeed, say something along those lines, but now has come out with a statement about ending 4th not being a target, etc.
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I don't think top four was a target for this season. Top six was, but not top four. Had Tim achieved top four then I think he would have been in with a shout for the job. And probably quite rightly so. Although the reality is much different.
 
Roynie

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TottenhamMattSpur said:
People are now seemingly rating us on our performances against the top 5 not 4.
We got 4 points out of 6 against Everton.
The only reason they're above us is that they have done better against the top 4 than us.
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My bad, I was looking at last seasons results where we only got 1 point from them, Doh!
 
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fedupyid said:
Tim held Levy to ransom over the contract he knows the job was only till the end of the season, but the extra year gets him a pay-off. The fact is our club is poorly run and mismanaged.

Spurs have terrible merchandising unless it is made by under armour or licensed to someone else, this is because Levy employed his brother to do the merchandise. Levy uses patronage to fill the positions at the club so we look more like a family run business than a large corporation. Let's be honest people the club is badly run and that is the reason we have stagnated over the last few years if we did not get lucky with some of our earlier signings we would not be in the position we are in now. I wish Levy and Lewis would just go because like Sugar they are a leach on the club.
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Are you kidding me? Spurs as a club have come on leaps and bounds in the last 5-6 years. Do you not remember the years of being a bottom half/mid table side, signing everyone else key players at 32 yrs old +. We now have a state of the art training facility, a new stadium being built and are bascially fighting four the top 4 spots paying only top 6 wages. Lewis and Levy have done absolute wonders with the club commercially... just not as good with the hiring on management staff.
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
I think you'll find its because Tim plays Adebeyor. You know, the striker that does score goals.
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AVB's biggest mistake was his handling of Adebayor, but I would lay the blame at the feet of Levy. Levy should have diffused the situation and had a clear the air session between the two of them. Adebayor's form last season was poor compared to the previous season. I think we will sell him in the summer unless he accepts a reduced wage.
 
Roynie

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TottenhamMattSpur said:
We got plenty of points last season?
4 from United, 3 from city, 3 from arsenal, 1 from Chelsea
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I meant 1 point from Everton having included them in the top 5.

EDIT 1 point from them last season (having misread my own spreadsheet) .... :oops:
 
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Roynie said:
I think there is something in that, it's true. However, as TottenhamMattSpur said, it's also about selecting Adew to play rather than leaving him with the youngsters 'cause Ade spoke out. At least TS tries to get the team attacking and scoring goals, much more so than the boring football that AVB had us playing. It wasn't Tim's fault that we had such injuries amongst the CB's. Yes he made tactical errors but that is inexperience in the role and he has learnt. He has also brought through a number of yougsters from the youth setup and is looking to bring through more.

I'm not saying he should be the Manger/Head Coach next season,I would love someone of the ilk of LVG or FDB, but if we can't get a really top class Manager/Coach I would rather stick with TS than just get another iffy replacement.
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As I said before, you don't get extra points for artistic impression. It was the start of the season and once again AVB had players he hadn't asked for, so was trying to bed them in. TS has form in alienating managers and now players, so it's a bit rich throwing that at AVB. AVB has his faults and all I wanted was for him to have the rest of the season. In the end, Levy's decision has not worked as we don't have CL football. TS is not up to the job: he's been out thought by Fat Sam twice. The thing Sherwood's supporters don't like is having a mirror held up to their hero.
 
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Sweetsman said:
As I said before, you don't get extra points for artistic impression. It was the start of the season and once again AVB had players he hadn't asked for, so was trying to bed them in. TS has form in alienating managers and now players, so it's a bit rich throwing that at AVB. AVB has his faults and all I wanted was for him to have the rest of the season. In the end, Levy's decision has not worked as we don't have CL football. TS is not up to the job: he's been out thought by Fat Sam twice. The thing Sherwood's supporters don't like is having a mirror held up to their hero.
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Didin't 'Fat Sam' out-think motormouth Mourinho? Either Allardyce is better than many will allow themselves to think, Mourinho worse...(etc) or frankly there is no rhyme or reason to what happens on a football pitch!
 
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I believe AVB wanted to make us defensively solid before we would be a free flowing attacking unit. However after a year and half, we were unravelling defensively, getting thrashed by our rivals and hence regressing. I can understand why some people wanted to stick with him as manager, but to me that was more a case of not getting rid for the sake of not getting rid (similar to some utd supporters view on moyes)

Some pundits were saying we should give the man time like Liverpool had given rodgers time, forgetting they were hired at the same time and that rodgers had Liverpool improving almost game by game... i seem to recall liverpool would have finished top three had the season started in Jan 13?

Tim on the other hand started with the polar opposite, focusing on attack as well witnessed in the game against soton, before he reverted to a more defensice approach. However in his new formation, there was not a strong core at midfield which is the very essence of said formation..

Still getting thrashed by our rivals means no progression is being made, and with Tim it is a question of whether he will be able to turn this around as there is no former evidence of the same as we have nothing to compare it to as he has never managed before.

He starts his new job any way but humble, which seems odd as he is in a position it would normally take years to get to and then bemoans the speculation surrounding his position. Whilst he may in time become a good manager, it seems he is currently either lacking self awareness or just a blind faith in his own abilities, either which is rather dangerous for a novice (novice compared to his peers)

In my view, it is rather simple. The board have one question they need to ask; can we have a more qualified candidate for the job of manager? Enough said..
 
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Tim Sherwood must be fucking DELUSIONAL if he thought he'd be managing a team like Tottenham long term,we are a big club despite our Shit season. Go get your badges and have your midlife crisis at the bottom clubs, learn your craft and experiment with one of them.
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
What surprises me is how many fans believed Sherwood was more than a caretaker.
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Sherwood also stated his required objective was CL or 'Goodbye Charlie'. He didn't get it.

Whether that was a fair objective is is disputable, but the fact is he knew he wasn't keeping the job if we didn't get it - regardless of his revised position following the revelation that we weren't actually going to get CL.
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
What is the definition of the start of the season?
1, 2, 5, 10 games?
We could win our first 5 games and that would be a first in the premiership era, but then loose the next 14 games. Which would probably represent the worst half a season ever.
I think people are being selective with what they class as our best start to a season.
Nothing changes how dismal we were to watch, how we only got goals from penalties, how teams started to figure out tactics out and punish us.
I would say that many fans were oblivious to how bad we'd got because all all they looked at was the table. But what they didn't see was that it was a very false representation of our ability.
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And we have clearly been playing like Barcelona/Bayern ever since Tim came in?!

I will grant you that Tim has got the team scoring goals and getting results but we are no prettier to watch than we were with AVB in charge...
 
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Top 4 was always achievable for us this season, but...

we got massacred by injuries over and over again. Plus AVB got sacked and well, you know the rest. zzzzzzzz

Next season please!
 
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avonspurs said:
You say that Spurs never make statements, but they have done. They've made a statement about this specific speculation. Now, whether you believe that statement or not is a whole other thing :) but they have come out and reacted to this 'news'.
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I was talking about DL specifically (not the club) and his style which comes across as very cold and distant. Even Tim was saying he has not heard from him or the board on the matter which is pretty poor form if true as he is left to face the barrage of media questions on an issue he cannot address and with no support from his superiors.
 
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sak11 said:
And we have clearly been playing like Barcelona/Bayern ever since Tim came in?!

I will grant you that Tim has got the team scoring goals and getting results but we are no prettier to watch than we were with AVB in charge...
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Bloody well are better to watch now.

If you think the football under AVB, the odd goal here or there, the backwards passing, the 2 defensive midfielders was anything other than absolutely woeful and the stuff of relegation fodder then you're delusional.
Luck runs out, take away the penalties and work out how many points we'd have had and we'd have been bottom half.

We were pathetic. We'd scored less goals than games.

People think pretty football is about passing, but if there's no end product the passing ends up tedious and infuriating.

I was at that hull game when the silly teat the blamed the fans for lacking atmosphere.
We were bloody awful. Yet another win from a penalty. The man was negative and a complete twat for blaming the fans for his own short comings.
 
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Possibly someone has said this within the 3 pages of comments here already; but hadn't Tim Sherwood been quoted as KNOWING if he did not make top 4 would be given the chop as he got the job?

I've seen the quote posted here before...
 
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Let's get one thing straight AVB was not sacked only because of results. He was falling apart towards the end of his reign - I mean did you see the last press conference he did after the Liverpool home thrashing! He looked completely shot - very reminiscent of how his Chelsea tenure ended. He also showed he could be quite divisive in the way he spectacularly mishandled the media fanfare that followed the Lloris head injury, at one point asking the club to put forward the medics to explain themselves -I mean how ridiculous. He is very insecure, not a leader of men and we were right to get rid when we did - end of. Only DL knows whether we would have ever considered hiring him in the first place if he hadn't been a freebie...
 
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