The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

Flashspur · May 14, 2014

i am not convinced about FDB. Not convinced about Poch either but I think the latter may be a better fit. I've seen Ajax play and they arent that sext TBH. Now Southampton played sexy football at times. OK, so I am sucker for Audere est Facere and the beautiful game. Sue me!

TH1239 · May 14, 2014

I can't believe there are people here genuinely questioning if Frank de Boer has the requisite football knowledge to cope with the EPL. What the hell does the EPL have that he wouldn't have seen as a player at Barcelona or for the Dutch National Team? He's beaten City and Barcelona with inferior Ajax teams, which shows he knows how to set his team up in Europe. De Boer also was one of the top assistants for Holland during the last World Cup, where they nearly beat Spain in the final.

In case people here weren't aware, the winner of the Europa League gets a CL spot next season, so our manager better be able to deal with continental teams with varying tactics. Both Benitez and De Boer have experience in that regard, whereas Pochettino is completely untested.

I think it's a huge mistake to pass De Boer over for Pochettino. If De Boer wasn't available and interested, then I could understand the Pochettino appointment, as there would be limited options available to us. But as things stand now, Levy better be damn sure Pochettino can instantly earn the respect of the squad and can keep our top players at the club. Otherwise, we are going to start the season slowly again.

ButchCassidy · May 14, 2014

DaSpurs said:
Don't blame you for asking, but I'm not entirely certain as to your point... that there are seemingly some misinformed opinions here?

Not really, more so that there are dozens of people with incredibly strong opinions that either one or the other is the answer to all of our problems, and that the other would be a "huge mistake"... I find it hard to believe that all of those people have seen enough of both managers to make anything close to an informed decision.

sam1972 · May 14, 2014

Jamturk said:
You say that

But a lot of our support couldn't even deal with Sherwood supposed boyhood support.

Why bother there are hundreds of options out there without having to drag in a gooner legend.

The difference is Sherwood was NOT good for the club

Arthur Hucksake · May 14, 2014

Poch will set us up to play pretty and for the most part effective football. Fans will enjoy that, so will Levy.

We will remain on the brink of great things, which would suit Levy. He'd not have to dip into his pocket to see things through. Probably sacked within 2 years.

FDB has more scope to build something longer term, to create success, but would never get given the time or patience from the supporters. Probably sacked within a year.

Benitez would probably win the Carling Cup, frustrate with tinkering at times, brilliant on others and will most likely divide the fans. Probably sacked within 2 years.

DaSpurs · May 14, 2014

ButchCassidy said:
Not really, more so that there are dozens of people with incredibly strong opinions that either one or the other is the answer to all of our problems, and that the other would be a "huge mistake"... I find it hard to believe that all of those people have seen enough of both managers to make anything close to an informed decision.

That's fair, and more than likely you're right about most, but I still wouldn't use it as a basis to discredit anyone who is of such a strong opinion or jump to assumptions.

sandros kung fu kick · May 14, 2014

Frank needs to be our next manager. Something about poch doesn't sit well with me, just seems like he is flavour of the month.

nferno · May 14, 2014

ButchCassidy said:
Not really, more so that there are dozens of people with incredibly strong opinions that either one or the other is the answer to all of our problems, and that the other would be a "huge mistake"... I find it hard to believe that all of those people have seen enough of both managers to make anything close to an informed decision.

I'm guessing this is aimed at me considering the "mistake" part.

I've seen enough of Southampton the past 2 seasons to know that what @DaSpurs said will exactly happen. We won't progress significantly under him, it will be Redknapp style football that's easy on the eye for sure but with a soft underbelly to boot. Factor in his lacking man management (which has been an issue for us in recent times, think Ade) and it doesn't look good. I can't make an informed decision on why I'd think FdB would be better as I've only watched their CL games this season and their Eredivisie derbies of the past 3 seasons. From what I have seen though, and taking circumstances into account, FdB is the better choice IMO; the coaching reports and his achievements back it up too.

ButchCassidy · May 14, 2014

DaSpurs said:
That's fair, and more than likely you're right about most, but I still wouldn't use it as a basis to discredit anyone who is of such a strong opinion or jump to assumptions.

Not at all, there are clearly some people here with very strong opinions who are incredibly knowledgable about both Pochettino and De Boer. I just hope everyone else doesn't start "picking sides" and turning this place into a miserable cesspool for the next few weeks where every debate is the same old rehashing of talking points from the pub, and it always ends with "my team's guy is the only one to take us forward, and the other team's guy would undoubtably be Levy's biggest mistake." If anyone finds themselves typing that, and subsequently realizes they've never actually watched Southampton except on MOTD, and they can't name more than four or five Ajax players, then it's probably a good idea to slowly back away from the keyboard.

poc · May 14, 2014

For me FDB would just carry more weight with the players which at a club like ours with all the Egos in the dressing room is important imo. I dont know if Poch could emulate RM and what hes done at Everton as I see simarlarities in the comments regarding a possible appointment but FDB I think just has a better chance to have that air of authority and respect day one and therefore take the players forward with him. Obviously both are a bigger gamble than a LVG, Ancelloti or Benitez appointment.

ButchCassidy · May 14, 2014

nferno said:
I'm guessing this is aimed at me considering the "mistake" part.

I've seen enough of Southampton the past 2 seasons to know that what @DaSpurs said will exactly happen. We won't progress significantly under him, it will be Redknapp style football that's easy on the eye for sure but with a soft underbelly to boot. Factor in his lacking man management (which has been an issue for us in recent times, think Ade) and it doesn't look good. I can't make an informed decision on why I'd think FdB would be better as I've only watched their CL games this season and their Eredivisie derbies of the past 3 seasons. From what I have seen though, and taking circumstances into account, FdB is the better choice IMO; the coaching reports and his achievements back it up too.

Not actually aimed at anyone mate, your post just happened to be above mine and the rhetoric is consistent with a lot of posts in this thread. If you've got an informed opinion then I welcome it entirely. I don't have a clue who actually knows what - all I'm saying is, for those of us (like myself) whose opinion is pretty much entirely based on SC posts and the occasional shitty news article or highlight video, lets try to avoid the part where we all pick sides and then rabidly attack one another. It's pointless.

DaSpurs · May 14, 2014

ButchCassidy said:
Not at all, there are clearly some people here with very strong opinions who are incredibly knowledgable about both Pochettino and De Boer. I just hope everyone else doesn't start "picking sides" and turning this place into a miserable cesspool for the next few weeks where every debate is the same old rehashing of talking points from the pub, and it always ends with "my team's guy is the only one to take us forward, and the other team's guy would undoubtably be Levy's biggest mistake." If anyone finds themselves typing that, and subsequently realizes they've never actually watched Southampton except on MOTD, and they can't name more than four or five Ajax players, then it's probably a good idea to slowly back away from the keyboard.

Fair enough, seems you and I are in agreement about it then.

Repeats of the same cycled shit is inevitable unfortunately, we'll all just have to sift through the crap for unique points made.

nferno · May 14, 2014

ButchCassidy said:
Not actually aimed at anyone mate, your post just happened to be above mine and the rhetoric is consistent with a lot of posts in this thread. If you've got an informed opinion then I welcome it entirely. I don't have a clue who actually knows what - all I'm saying is, for those of us (like myself) whose opinion is pretty much entirely based on SC posts and the occasional shitty news article or highlight video, lets try to avoid the part where we all pick sides and then rabidly attack one another. It's pointless.

It's inevitable that people will blindly pick sides and belittle other's choices, even if we got someone like mourinho there would be fans saying we should have chosen<insert name> instead! It's part and parcel really. Nevertheless, at the end of the day I would hope everyone backs the eventual manager that is chosen rather than still harbour resentment. I wouldn't be entirely happy if Poch got the job but I'd sure still be singing his name, giving all the support and willing him to change my opinion.

yankspurs · May 14, 2014

We're gonna get Poch wirh FdB amd Tuchel still on the board, arent we?

*Poch is my 4th choice under LVG, FdB, and Tuchel.

nedley · May 14, 2014

Has there been anymore rumblings from JJ?

I'm convinced its going to be FDB.

beats1 · May 14, 2014

Its a shame @deselina isn't on here anymore, Im sure he could add some info on FDB

$hoguN · May 14, 2014

nedley said:
Has there been anymore rumblings from JJ?

I'm convinced its going to be FDB.

Says it is not Rafa.

Veuve Clicquot · May 14, 2014

So, if the ITK from the goat and JJ is correct and Poch was interviewed yesterday and has got the job then I am really annoyed with Levy, as it would be clear that he hasn't even bothered to grant De Boer an interview! I find this shocking considering how strong a candidate he is as well as the fact he actually wants the job.

What has happened since December when he was one of our top targets and Poch wasn't even in the running? Well, since then De Boer has won a 4th successive league title while Poch has had an indifferent end to the season with Southampton.

Is Levy really petty enough to rule him out due to saying nice things about Spurs to the media?

To not even interview him is a disgrace and I sincerely hope that this doesn't come back to bite us in the backside (being Spurs it probably will).

Kubo · May 14, 2014

TH1239 said:
I can't believe there are people here genuinely questioning if Frank de Boer has the requisite football knowledge to cope with the EPL. What the hell does the EPL have that he wouldn't have seen as a player at Barcelona or for the Dutch National Team? He's beaten City and Barcelona with inferior Ajax teams, which shows he knows how to set his team up in Europe. De Boer also was one of the top assistants for Holland during the last World Cup, where they nearly beat Spain in the final.

In case people here weren't aware, the winner of the Europa League gets a CL spot next season, so our manager better be able to deal with continental teams with varying tactics. Both Benitez and De Boer have experience in that regard, whereas Pochettino is completely untested.

I think it's a huge mistake to pass De Boer over for Pochettino. If De Boer wasn't available and interested, then I could understand the Pochettino appointment, as there would be limited options available to us. But as things stand now, Levy better be damn sure Pochettino can instantly earn the respect of the squad and can keep our top players at the club. Otherwise, we are going to start the season slowly again.

Benitez it is then. de Boer's Europa League facit is pretty awful.

Breezer · May 14, 2014

Veuve Clicquot said:
So, if the ITK from the goat and JJ is correct and Poch was interviewed yesterday and has got the job then I am really annoyed with Levy, as it would be clear that he hasn't even bothered to grant De Boer an interview! I find this shocking considering how strong a candidate he is as well as the fact he actually wants the job.

What has happened since December when he was one of our top targets and Poch wasn't even in the running? Well, since then De Boer has won a 4th successive league title while Poch has had an indifferent end to the season with Southampton.

Is Levy really petty enough to rule him out due to saying nice things about Spurs to the media?

To not even interview him is a disgrace and I sincerely hope that this doesn't come back to bite us in the backside (being Spurs it probably will).

Agree but maybe DL has his hands tied. (Joe Lewis)

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