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  • Lloris

    Votes: 85 16.6%
  • Rose

    Votes: 11 2.1%
  • Verts

    Votes: 3 0.6%
  • Kaboul

    Votes: 385 75.2%
  • Naughton

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Capoue

    Votes: 6 1.2%
  • Mason

    Votes: 11 2.1%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chadli

    Votes: 5 1.0%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Bentaleb

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Dier

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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jonathanhotspur

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Jun 28, 2009
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Mate that's just not correct, honestly.

i think there was a fear against Liverpool in particular. They beat us 9-0 on aggregate last season after all. City beat us 11-1 on aggregate. It was those sides I was referring more to in terms of any sort of psychological damage.

Arsenal had beaten us 1-0 home and away. Just a tad different. I think we feared Liverpool and froze so to speak. Yesterday was a clear game plan.

It was also nothing to do with fear that resulted in some sloppy moments on the counter. It was just poor execution - and decision making.

You're seriously not implying that if you have an approach to sit deep and defend and counter that there's never a time in the game that you won't have a brief spell of pressure of some kind? Which we did five minutes before half time. We put some pressure on them and had a few corners as well I think.

As for Arsenal's chances, no they wern't as good. I've watched the game twice now and nothing's going to change my mind on that.
I agree that we had a plan to hit them on the counter but I don't think the plan was to be so careless with possession in all areas of the pitch, to defend on our 18 yard line and to not bother to press in the second half when Arsenal turned up the heat.
 

ClonedFromSandrosBeard

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Jul 21, 2014
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  • Lloris- 8 was a monster in goal
  • Naughton- 6.5 solid and well organised
  • Kaboul- 9 see everyone else's comments
  • Vertonghen - 8 as consistent as Younes but called upon less
  • Rose - 7 showed strength and determination, bullshit yellow
  • Capoue - 7 gritty and won a lot of key tackles
  • Mason - 7 got up there when we needed him to, wasn't afraid to try his weaker foot to set up ade on that break
  • Eriksen - 6 pretty average, won the ball for the goal pushes him above average rating
  • Chadli - 7 got into dangerous positions and scored
  • Lamela - 7 looked hungry all game, pressed well, got an assist
  • Ade - 5 gotta be the malaria right?
  • Lennon - 5 made sense to bring him on but he didn't change that much
  • Bentaleb - not enough time to say, loved seeing him out-muscle sanchez
  • Dier - again not enough time
  • Poch - 8 set us up well, subs made sense, team performance was competitive
 

danielneeds

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May 5, 2004
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I read an interesting article from Ricky lambert not so long ago about how much of an influence poch had on him. It was a great read and the jist of it was poch telling him not to waste his energy... He said choose your runs wisely, make a run when u know the likes of Lallana has it and is in a good position but if the centre half has it don't bust a gut just conserve your energy. He said this was one of the reasons he scored the goals he did and became a better and smarter player! Has he had the same chat with ADE ? Poch definitely told the players not to press until arsenal got in our half last night. So it was all part of the plan
Only an insane or stupid manager would think to himself, "you know what, I need to tell Ade to run less."
 

Mr Pink

SC Supporter
Aug 25, 2010
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I agree that we had a plan to hit them on the counter but I don't think the plan was to be so careless with possession in all areas of the pitch, to defend on our 18 yard line and to not bother to press in the second half when Arsenal turned up the heat.

We were careless, particularly on the counter.

We could definitely of done some things better, winning the ball back better in the second half included, but overall had we shown more care when breaking forward we should of scored a few.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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Has Pochettino said anything about this game post match ? All I've seen so far is the article posted where he's praising Lloris.
 

Lufti

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Jan 3, 2013
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  • Lloris- 8 was a monster in goal
  • Naughton- 6.5 solid and well organised
  • Kaboul- 9 see everyone else's comments
  • Vertonghen - 8 as consistent as Younes but called upon less
  • Rose - 7 showed strength and determination, bullshit yellow
  • Capoue - 7 gritty and won a lot of key tackles
  • Mason - 7 got up there when we needed him to, wasn't afraid to try his weaker foot to set up ade on that break
  • Eriksen - 6 pretty average, won the ball for the goal pushes him above average rating
  • Chadli - 7 got into dangerous positions and scored
  • Lamela - 7 looked hungry all game, pressed well, got an assist
  • Ade - 5 gotta be the malaria right?
  • Lennon - 5 made sense to bring him on but he didn't change that much
  • Bentaleb - not enough time to say, loved seeing him out-muscle sanchez
  • Dier - again not enough time
  • Poch - 8 set us up well, subs made sense, team performance was competitive

Think you've got the wrong thread mate
 

iluvsteffenfreund

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Nov 5, 2004
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Only an insane or stupid manager would think to himself, "you know what, I need to tell Ade to run less."
Your missing the point.. If you run and press the back 4 when the team have been told let's sit back and invite them on and we hit on counter then your gonna kill yourself and your quality would be poor when u did recieve it.he wasn't great sat but you don't know what was said to him prior. Oh and the stupid manager nicked a point at the emirates with those tactics btw
 

SteveH

BSoDL candidate for SW London
Jul 21, 2003
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Your missing the point.. If you run and press the back 4 when the team have been told let's sit back and invite them on and we hit on counter then your gonna kill yourself and your quality would be poor when u did recieve it.he wasn't great sat but you don't know what was said to him prior. Oh and the stupid manager nicked a point at the emirates with those tactics btw

Ade as I have said before did OK considering his role Saturday - But when his name is merely mentioned some just rail against him no matter what he does. Its shows what idiots most fans are. They would have been laying into Welbeck if we had bought him probably.

Not sure Ade, Kane or Soldado suit Poch. Kane and Ade play better in a 442 but are very slow. Soldado struggles but comes the closest, but again no flat line speed or 'control' to go past players.

Kane for me could be the only one to stay due to his age and he has 'potential', I think.
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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Ade as I have said before did OK considering his role Saturday - But when his name is merely mentioned some just rail against him no matter what he does. Its shows what idiots most fans are. They would have been laying into Welbeck if we had bought him probably.

Not sure Ade, Kane or Soldado suit Poch. Kane and Ade play better in a 442 but are very slow. Soldado struggles but comes the closest, but again no flat line speed or 'control' to go past players.

Kane for me could be the only one to stay due to his age and he has 'potential', I think.
You must be an idiot to think most fans are idiots. Then again if you didn't think most fans were idiots, then you would be a bigger idiot!
 

CowInAComa

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Aug 31, 2012
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Ade as I have said before did OK considering his role Saturday - But when his name is merely mentioned some just rail against him no matter what he does. Its shows what idiots most fans are. They would have been laying into Welbeck if we had bought him probably.

Not sure Ade, Kane or Soldado suit Poch. Kane and Ade play better in a 442 but are very slow. Soldado struggles but comes the closest, but again no flat line speed or 'control' to go past players.

Kane for me could be the only one to stay due to his age and he has 'potential', I think.

He doesnt help himself, there was a period after he miscontrolled the ball through on goal where he didnt even bother to get back into position to continue that attack after we retained the ball.

I mean what the fuck was all that about, moping about offside, rather than getting straight back into position.
 

SteveH

BSoDL candidate for SW London
Jul 21, 2003
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He doesnt help himself, there was a period after he miscontrolled the ball through on goal where he didnt even bother to get back into position to continue that attack after we retained the ball.

I mean what the fuck was all that about, moping about offside, rather than getting straight back into position.

We need a more mobile strike force. I see a more Chadli type of player upfront?
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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The idea of sitting deeper and counter attacking might have been correct. Our implementation of it was piss poor. I've seen much poorer teams with worse resources than us do it better to Arsenal.


Nope, still don't get how this conclusion has been reached.

Perhaps you should take it up with Pochettino:

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9495027/F365-Says

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.

There is no secret to the Argentine's preferred intense pressing approach - sculpted under the tutelage of Marcelo Bielsa - which revolves around man-to-man or zonal marking in the opposition half when without the ball. As soon as possession is gained, the intention is to exploit the turnover of the ball by having a spare man in attack, overloading with attacking midfielders.
 

Marty

Audere est farce
Mar 10, 2005
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Perhaps you should take it up with Pochettino:

http://www.football365.com/f365-says/9495027/F365-Says

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.

There is no secret to the Argentine's preferred intense pressing approach - sculpted under the tutelage of Marcelo Bielsa - which revolves around man-to-man or zonal marking in the opposition half when without the ball. As soon as possession is gained, the intention is to exploit the turnover of the ball by having a spare man in attack, overloading with attacking midfielders.
I definitely like that Poch is actively trying to get Eriksen and Ade to contribute, but think you're too harsh when you say implementation was "piss poor". "Needs improvement" is the term I'd use, as it's only two or three at most who are holding us back.
 

walworthyid

David Ginola
Oct 25, 2004
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That's an interesting theory but it's total nonsense. ManU had 60% of the possession against us last season.

Seems AVB could do tactical pragmatism after all eh ? @Blake Griffin

Even the season before it was 51/49. Hardly supports them just turning up and sitting there. Which they didn't.

They did mate. They hardly did anything an we were all over them second half an Dempsey scored an equaliser in injury time. Take a look at the territorial advantage in that game. Everybody on here said it after the game as did the pundits an that goes for both games.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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pretty sure the lack of pressing was by design, we went to contain and counter, good plan and it worked.

Absolutely bang on.

It was so obvious, how some are missing that is perplexing lol.

So not by design or indeed, bang on:

Importantly, Pochettino had spent much of the first half audibly remonstrating with Eriksen, encouraging him to harry and hassle Mikel Arteta in possession of the ball. The Dane had been rebuked for failing to close down the Spaniard on every occasion, with Emmanuel Adebayor also suitably reproached. The effectiveness of Pochettino's high-press style, utilised to such great effect at Southampton, depends on an all-for-one mentality within the squad - there is little room for passengers.
 

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