Man City Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 19, 2014

0-Tibsy-0 said:
This is just idiotic hyperbole and a price tag does not determine the effectiveness of a signing and should should be discounted from an assessment of performances.

Night.

You do talk cack.

Next your's be telling us all that Rebrov and Bentley were value for money.

0-Tibsy-0 · Oct 19, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
You do talk cack.

Next your's be telling us all that Rebrov and Bentley were value for money.

A good, promising or bad performance (and lots in between) is judged on what we see, not what we paid. Does Lamela have to play 28 times better than Lennon to receive the same recognition for a display?

Anyway deviating from Your odd argument, the price paid for a player is determined on a hell of a lot more than the projected performances in just a few games anyway.

Spurger King · Oct 19, 2014

shelfboy68 said:
We played against a football team today mate and as usual got handed back our arseholes at the End of the match.

No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.

It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.

As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.

Time for Heroes · Oct 19, 2014

Agree with all the negative Lamela posts here.

What I find most annoying is that your main defence of him is that 'nobody is on his wavelength'

You know what? I fucking agree, and thats because he is away with the fucking fairies.

Waste of fucking space and would rather Townsend or Lennon play instead of watching this shitpiece.

As for Soldado, how many opportunities does he need before you all fucking realise that he is not good enough?

Nebby · Oct 19, 2014

Spurger King said:
No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.

It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.

As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.

Jealous much? We're no better than City or Chelsea or any of the other big boys. we've just blown £110 million on transfers and the only real difference between us and City is that they will win stuff and we won't.

bigspurs · Oct 19, 2014

Spurger King said:
No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.

It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.

As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.

I totally agree with you about 'Oil Money FC'. It always comes across in conversation as sour grapes, but they stole our fucking Champs League spot God dammit! We would have been quite well established by now and probably would have signed a few quality players instead of some of the kack we've actually been lumbered with! But I'm not bitter of course. Oil Money FC have fucked our club's Champs League legacy and stolen any integrity that the English game still might have had (after Chelski started taking the piss).

bigspurs · Oct 19, 2014

Nebby said:
Jealous much? We're no better than City or Chelsea or any of the other big boys. we've just blown £110 million on transfers and the only real difference between us and City is that they will win stuff and we won't.

The difference is that we only had the one chance to spend that Bale money on decent players, whilst Oil Money FC can do it as much as they like and pay top end wages. So I supose you're totally OK with them nicking our Champs league place?! That's just our tough shit is it?! Strange bloke...

Gbspurs · Oct 19, 2014

So if you don't rate Lamela or feel he hasn't performed as hoped, then you aren't a proper fan or have a low IQ?

People are entiltled to their opinion.

Price tag will naturally form a part of this opinion to many for example, if I buy a Bentley I don't expect a Vauxhall.

There is no doubt we make a lot of excuses for Lamela as a fan base, when someone like Tadic waltzes into the league and performs the way he does, shouldn't we ask questions?

I feel Lamela isn't the main culprit anyway, he deserves a whole season like all players so it will be interesting to see what we are discussing about him in May. Hopefully we are discussing double figures of goals or assists and not making more excuses.

scottlag10 · Oct 19, 2014

Are the people that are writing off Lamela now the same people that were writing off Gareth Bale at the same stage in his Spurs career?

Wheeler Dealer · Oct 19, 2014

Good Doctor M said:
Soldado may not be the 25 goal a season striker we had hoped he would be, but he could very well be an integral part of an attacking quartet who could well bag 40/50 goals between them if they are allowed to play together and build on the relationship that was so evident on the field today and in pre-season.

It's not ideal, but I can't see us being able to afford the type of player that's going to score us the kind of goals Aguero is. Nobody bar Chelsea, Man City or United have one, nor could they afford one. Arsenal don't. Liverpool in Sturridge or Balotelli perhaps, but can anyone see either of them netting 25 goals this season? I can't.

It's all fine and well saying we need a striker to hit 25 goals a season, but we simply can't afford one and aren't a big enough draw to land one if we could. We're talking 50 million to land a cert. Won't happen.

Take a look at the players in Prem history who have hit 25 goals plus on a regular basis. Drogba, Henry, Van Persie, Shearer, Cole, Suarez. We've never had one of those class of players. And we'll not land one for the forseeable. Having an attack that spreads goals out between them like I've mentioned is the realistic alternative. It's naive to think anything else I think.

We have to in January to our very very best to bring in a striker that you will be confident of bagging goals, holding the line and being far more effective than current crop. This will cost, providing this player is

scottlag10 said:
Are the people that are writing off Lamela now the same people that were writing off Gareth Bale at the same stage in his Spurs career?

Bale was 17 when he came here with no top level experience . Lamela is 22 and already established in Serie A and cost a whopping £30m. I expect a wee bit more from the boy .

jezz · Oct 19, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
You do talk cack.

Next your's be telling us all that Rebrov and Bentley were value for money.

Next Bale and Modric were cack?

Nebby · Oct 19, 2014

bigspurs said:
The difference is that we only had the one chance to spend that Bale money on decent players, whilst Oil Money FC can do it as much as they like and pay top end wages. So I supose you're totally OK with them nicking our Champs league place?! That's just our tough shit is it?! Strange bloke...

Our champions league place?

Monkey boy · Oct 19, 2014

The one thing I hate about this forum is the seemingly constant need for people to question peoples IQ? If X doesn't agree with Y then surely they must have an IQ of 1 or under. As soon as somebody mutters that sentence I automatically think to myself, wow what an arrogant bell end.

Gbspurs · Oct 19, 2014

scottlag10 said:
Are the people that are writing off Lamela now the same people that were writing off Gareth Bale at the same stage in his Spurs career?

Thats another classic trotted out line. For every Bale there is a hundred Bentley, who's to say which one Lamela will become?

Monkey boy said:
The one thing I hate about this forum is the seemingly constant need for people to question peoples IQ? If X doesn't agree with Y then surely they must have an IQ of 1 or under. As soon as somebody mutters that sentence I automatically think to myself, wow what an arrogant bell end.

I agree. Ultimately every single poster here wants Spurs to be as successful as possible. Some will blindly back the club, others will criticise the running of the club, some will criticise players, others will raise some players above others as favourites, some will back the managers, others won't.

It doesn't matter really. We all want the same thing in the end so I'm not sure why some people think their opinion is the only valid one and anyone who doesn't conform is automatically stupid.

TheGreenLily · Oct 19, 2014

Gaz_Gammon said:
Your'e making it sound like he has just thrown away his crutches and hobbled onto the pitch today. He was injured last season but for fucks sake he played in pre-season friendlies and most of the games this season

Played this season, all 8 games of them. At the end of next season we will have a better idea of his potential.

Paying thirty million for a player making a few assists is i feel a wee bit too much? He's average at best and certainly not even playing close to his price tag.

We payed 30 million for his potential and the player he has the chance to become. It took Bale 5 years for fucks sake.

Whether he looks a poor signing or is a poor signing (for the PL) then the jury is still out i guess, but he reminds me a great deal of Bentley, and God help us if he turns out that way come the end of the season.

He wont be a Bentley, as he is actually putting the effort in and trying.

So how about shut the fuck up.

dagraham · Oct 19, 2014

Wheeler Dealer said:
Bale was 17 when he came here with no top level experience . Lamela is 22 and already established in Serie A and cost a whopping £30m. I expect a wee bit more from the boy .

Also, I don't get where this "Bale wasn't very good when he started out for us" nonsense comes from?

Bale made his debut at Old Trafford and straight away you could see he was going to be a success. He was very good for us in his first season.

It was only when he got a bad injury and completely lost his confidence that doubts crept in about whether he would ever regain his early form.

Lamela has talent and posts calling him shit etc are obviously way ott, but he's not producing nearly enough at the moment.

shelfboy68 · Oct 19, 2014

slartibartfast said:
Oh come on mate, it's not as black and white as that is it.
You can play well, best so far this season imo, but if the ref allows a goal that should have been disallowed, gives ridiculous penalty decisions, lets them take a freekick 5yds further forward than it actually was by the guy who was fouled and sitting on his arse and also incorrectly sends off one of your players with 20min to go, then it doesn't matter how f-in good you are you're gonna struggle.
Plus on top of that we missed a pen.
Hypothetical- Correctly disallow the first goal, and the 2nd pen, and the 4th goal from the incorrectly placed freekick, and the sending off so 4th goal may not have happened anyway.
Now hows it looking? You can even convert our pen if you want.
Truth is you cant beat a piss poor referring display like that and we played far better, quick passing, flowing football than we have in a long time. I'm afraid if some cant see that then frankly they don't know what the fu#k they're talking about imo.

Your trying your best to convince yourself and some others that we were unlucky poor decisions etc.
But we have these results every season with players getting sent off and we crumble as per normal,if my memory serves me correct liverpool, city and chelsea last season we were reduced to 10 and got tonked again.
This cant be a ref conspiricy can it more that our players are not good enough against superior players which causes them to make rash decisions and clumsy mistakes.
The quicker we except that refs are not against us but more that we are inferior to these teams the better we will all be.

shelfboy68 · Oct 19, 2014

Spurger King said:
No that's not a football team at all. Once upon a time there was a club called Manchester City that could be called a football team, but they got replaced by Oil Money FC. It's not a team...it's a display of wealth that masquerades as a competitive sports team. Spend the sort of money they have on players and wages and all claims to success go out the window. Manchester City haven't won a single trophy since being taken over...instead Oil Money has paid what it needed to buy trophies in the official name of Manchester City.

It's the equivalent of turning up at a 'build-your-own-go-Kart' race in a Ferrari, then trying to be smug about winning whilst lapping the runner-up about 30 times. It's embarrassing for them to even pretend that they are 'competing', and it's certainly not embarrassing being beaten by such an abhorrent charade of a 'club'.

As far as I'm concerned, any supposed achievements by Oil Money FC are discounted straight away. The defeat means nothing to me, because they're not a real football team. I can honestly say the 1-1 v Sunderland bothered me more than this result, because common sense tells me that Oil Money have no actual competition other than their own commercial targets. Couldn't give a flying fuck about that ghost of a club, or any 'success' they pretend to achieve. There was only one football team on the field on Saturday, and it certainly wasn't the collection of mercenaries in sky blue.

I can see you have put some thought into this but as we know these days with huge sky money and sponsorships that wealthy owners like theirs are all in vogue.
I cant agree with you that any success they have is embarassing try telling their fans or sponsors or owners that and they will laugh in your face because they are in it to win it.
As for us yes up to our penalty miss we were still in it but soon as we failed to convert i knew what would happen and my team didnt let me down getting a man sent off is standard and shipping a load of goals against the quality teams is textbook.
City must love playing us as we always help improve their goal difference gone are the days when we were their equals.

Wellspurs · Oct 19, 2014

scottlag10 said:
Are the people that are writing off Lamela now the same people that were writing off Gareth Bale at the same stage in his Spurs career?

Yeah and the same ones who wrote off David Bentley? Pathetic aren't they?

shelfboy68 · Oct 19, 2014

yiddo23 said:
If a literal 2 or 3 individual mistakes aren't made its a completely different game and the forum could be full of saying how awesome we played. Obviously no one is happy about losing but try to look deeper than the scoreline. Like I said, we will be one of the best teams for the rest of year, we will finish above the scum at the very least. Guaranteed

What you need to consider is that this is the same old story individual mistakes costing us dear nothing changes we always do it.
So is it a case of as a club we simply dont have a clue on how to defend properly or just poor players or both,what is the answer.

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