The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Cut & Paste 30th June 2015

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 30, 2015

Geyzer Soze said:
at least 3 of them (Dier, Verts, Chiriches) are pretty versatile and can be full backs too though. So there's that.

Dier as a right back is fucked against pace. That much is so evident to be untrue. If Poch thought he could be a shoe-in we wouldn't need Yedlin or Trippier. He could have just played Chiriches or Dier with an injury or suspension to Walker.

Bleeding obvious.

cookiemonster · Jun 30, 2015

eViL said:
So who are we signing?

The usual cheapies don't you know

N'zonzi Moses Bolasie Obi Mikel

It's all going to plan

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 30, 2015

SHaRD said:
That's a model that works though. It's the Ajax/Porto/Dortmund model we all talk about.

You don't sign players for the first 11, you just make sure your production line is in order so players continue to emerge organically.

Getting Trippier, Alli and Pritchard to challenge Walker, Mason and Eriksen respectively from below is doing this perfectly.

We just need players to do this for Kane, Chadli and Bentaleb

It's good to sign exciting youngsters but you also need match winners... Porto and Dortmund have a mixture of youth and quality established players... we're lacking on the established quality front.

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 30, 2015

S.Mouse! said:
The more business we do (and the more players we're linked to), the more it looks like we're building a team that we hope will peak in 3-4 years - in line with the completion of the stadium:

Wimmer (22)
Tripper (23)
Davies (22)
Dier (21)
Yedlin (21)
Alli (19)
Kane (21)
Eriksen (23)
Lamela (23)
Mason (24)
Bentaleb (20)
Pritchard (22)
Rose (24)
Townsend (23)
Carroll (23)

Hopefully we can add the likes of Veljkovic, CCV and Onomah to that list soon.

Exciting times ahead for us.

Another five year plan, and here i am waiting for the five year plan from 1992 to kick in..............................

Bus-Conductor · Jun 30, 2015

Benteke would be crazy to join us. He needs to be playing every week for a team that plays to his strengths.

You can't keep two strikers like Benteke and Kane happy.

SpartanSpur · Jun 30, 2015

TEESSIDE1 said:
and do you really believe we would have paid Benfica's £35m asking price? Never going to happen.

Poch is being backed yet all the obvious players are getting ruled out day after day...

Regardless of how well some of last seasons signings worked out, it's now 2 summers since we went out and signed a 1st teamer who's expected to take us to the next level. All incomings have been cheap, even £10m for Davies (who doesn't play) and £8m for Fazio (squad player) is peanuts in today's market.

Of course we wouldn't have got Salvio. There's a reason Portuguese league players end up at Russian or oligarch owned clubs. Third party ownership

danielneeds · Jun 30, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
Benteke would be crazy to join us. He needs to be playing every week for a team that plays to his strengths.

You can't keep two strikers like Benteke and Kane happy.

Agreed, even someone like Chelsea got in aging Drogba, and just happy to be there Remy to back up Costa. And now both are going, they're picking up down on his luck Falcao.

SHaRD · Jun 30, 2015

TEESSIDE1 said:
If we're going to struggle to bring in a CM and/or a wide forward then we can't go far wrong with Benteke and revert to a Modric era 4-4-2.

Lloris, Trippier, Dier, Verts, Rose, Bentaleb, Dembele?, Lamela, Eriksen (drifting), Kane, Benteke

Blimey.

So you want Dembele to become a goalscoring box to box CM, and Lamela and Erisken to convert into touchline hugging orthodox wingers?

Or should we just buy a striker who would fit into our system?

Bus-Conductor · Jun 30, 2015

danielneeds said:
Agreed, even someone like Chelsea got in aging Drogba, and just happy to be there Remy to back up Costa. And now both are going, they're picking up down on his luck Falcao.

I know all the arguments against and I was never his biggest fan, but Gignac on a free could have worked for us. He's not the quickest but he's not a lazy or stupid. Could have done a job and taught Kane the odd thing.

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 30, 2015

SHaRD said:
Blimey.

So you want Dembele to become a goalscoring box to box CM, and Lamela and Erisken to convert into touchline hugging orthodox wingers?

Or should we just buy a striker who would fit into our system?

I see you missed the 'Modric era', when we lined up with a 442 but Modric drifted all over the place. Eriksen can do the same.

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 30, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
Benteke would be crazy to join us. He needs to be playing every week for a team that plays to his strengths.

You can't keep two strikers like Benteke and Kane happy.

I would rather have 2 quality strikers and try and cater for both of them than have one young striker (Kane) and 2 clowns stealing a living as his cover.

danielneeds · Jun 30, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
I know all the arguments against and I was never his biggest fan, but Gignac on a free could have worked for us. He's not the quickest but he's not a lazy or stupid. Could have done a job and taught Kane the odd thing.

If Trippier is first choice and Rose sharpens up his crossing, then I could also see value in Llorente. He's clever and able to cope with the rough stuff, although it would be a bit like having Crouch all over again.

TEESSIDE1 · Jun 30, 2015

danielneeds said:
If Trippier is first choice and Rose sharpens up his crossing, then I could also see value in Llorente. He's clever and able to cope with the rough stuff, although it would be a bit like having Crouch all over again.

Sticking with ITK and an actual link with Benteke then he would be ideal along side Kane. We seriously lack alternate goal threats and with the wide forward links getting ruled out left, right and centre... adding Benteke is starting to sound like a good idea.

Bus-Conductor · Jun 30, 2015

TEESSIDE1 said:
I would rather have 2 quality strikers and try and cater for both of them than have one young striker (Kane) and 2 clowns stealing a living as his cover.

But you can't. Strikers, more than anyone, need rhythm, continuity and confidence, and you can't make two first choice simultaneously.

We need someone prepared to play an ad hoc role - either an experienced guy winding down a good career or a very young guy willing to play cup and sub games.

And we already have Chadli who's perfect as a back up CF whilst also being able to play wide forward/AM.

SHaRD · Jun 30, 2015

TEESSIDE1 said:
I see you missed the 'Modric era', when we lined up with a 442 but Modric drifted all over the place. Eriksen can do the same.

That was for half a season while Modric was getting up-to-speed with the league. Then Modric moved to CM and Krancjar/Bale played LW.

voxy28 · Jun 30, 2015

Just wonder why can't we sign one quality player a season? we need players with some agression to drive the team. I cannot stand players to come here and just collect salary.... FFS.

dovahkiin · Jun 30, 2015

trix: If Rabiot has become available then he without doubt will have shot to the top of the pile. We really pushed for him in January but PSG didn't want to play ball at all. If his publicly asking for a transfer has changed things, then I think we'd be all over it without question.

Gaz_Gammon · Jun 30, 2015

Bus-Conductor said:
Benteke would be crazy to join us. He needs to be playing every week for a team that plays to his strengths.

You can't keep two strikers like Benteke and Kane happy.

If the end product is CL footie you can.

dovahkiin · Jun 30, 2015

trix on lennon and mirallas: We won't be seeing either.

npearl4spurs · Jun 30, 2015

meaning Lennon won't be coming back and Mirallas won't be coming to...

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