Spurs 2-2 Stoke : BBC match report
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Our current way of playing resembles AVB's. Dull short passings with no intensity, no pace, no creativity and no balance.
Walker, IMO, should be employed in an attacking right-sided midfield position, while Trippier should start as a right-back, thus restoring the balance missing since Lennon was frozen out.
It's time Lamela follows Paulinho, Soldado out. The only players with character today were Kane and Masson, and once they left the field, we were completely overwhelmed.
It is not only the result that disappoints; it's the lack of belief, character, application and leadership.
Walker, IMO, should be employed in an attacking right-sided midfield position, while Trippier should start as a right-back, thus restoring the balance missing since Lennon was frozen out.
It's time Lamela follows Paulinho, Soldado out. The only players with character today were Kane and Masson, and once they left the field, we were completely overwhelmed.
It is not only the result that disappoints; it's the lack of belief, character, application and leadership.
shelfboy68
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Again issues of squad balance need to be addressed to the manager and board members.
davidmatzdorf
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As usual, no one is prepared to give any credit to Stoke and particularly to Hughes' substitutions. It's always all about the failures of Spurs players.
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THFCSPURS19
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As I said a couple of weeks back- if we win, it's because the other team was shit, if we lose/get a bad result, it's because we were shit.
There were some poor performances, no doubt about it, but Stoke deserve some credit.
We don't expect Stoke (or any other team) to tremble and lay down in front of us, do we? We expect them to give us a good fight, and if we fail to overcome them, we have to look at ourselves in the eye. Then it's a matter of learning from our mistakes. To say other teams deserves credit is a form of denial. Can't use other teams as an excuse, not if want to get into the CL, or even the top six.
We had this game in the bag until we took Kane off. I think we were trying to give him a rest but it was arrogant, Chadli and Lamela can't play up front. We saw today how much we need a new striker. I'm hoping Berahino soon - if he'd been on the bench today I think we'd have won, once Kane was gone there was just no way of going forward so we were waiting for full time and when you do that it never comes. I haven't seen Clinton so I can't say if he would have made a difference, he would have struggled to be less effective than Lamela. If there had been another ten minutes we would have lost.
Kane was injured and was seen with an ice pack around his leg while on the bench.
Come on. It is not as if Ireland is the new Bale. If so, we should buy him for £10M and sell him to RM £84M in a couple of years. Fact is he looked good because of how poor we were. If we can only beat teams that played badly and made poor substitution, then we should thank our stars if we weren't relegated.
Exactly, I think on occasion people forget we are playing against an opposition. Stephen Ireland, Arnautović and Diouf did a number on us.
Kane going off was the difference, we lost the attacking impetus. I think we would be crazy not to sign a striker in addition to Njie.
We are talking about Stoke. We must all be nuts here. One moment it is top 4, the next it is okay to draw a mid-table team at home. If Stoke can do a number on us at the Lane, then we owe it ourselves to admit we had done badly and to quickly improve.
Don't disagree with that, but Stoke aren't that bad a side and don't forget they trounced us and Liverpool last year. Don't get me wrong. we are a better side than Stoke and should have won, but I don't think the gap is as big as some Spurs fans think.
There is huge room for improvement in our squad at the moment and that is why it is an exciting time
yiddo23
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2-0 with 20 min left and drawing, is on the team that fucked it up mate, we played pretty damn well first half. But other than Chelsea and Woolwich, we really haven't played two complete games to my memory, and that's the problem (maybe QPR) fuck spurs depress me sometimes, in need to not let myself get so emotionally involved, ist that possible?
rupsmith
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That is exactly what I've been thinking since yesterday. We were in the lead until the 70th minute and to be unable to close out the game - no matter how good the opposition- reflects a tactical naivete and inflexibility that are simply not good enough for a side trying to make the top 4.
I'm all for giving the manager time and think he did an overall good job last year. I understand that Poch has this 'philosophy' that he is trying to establish. Yesterday, I was pleased to see what was effectively a 4-2-4 formation with Mason and Dier in the middle, Eriksen and Demble given the freedom to roam, and Kane and Chadli in central attacking positions and swapping roles. Last year, I think we did not have enough of an attacking intent against the so called "mid table" sides and played with a far too rigid 4-2-3-1 - Kane basically firing us into 5th place.
But there don't seem to be signs of genuine progress in our pace of play and mindset. Against United we were ripping them apart when we started attacking in the last 10 minutes - why did we wait so long keeping possession before doing so? Most of the players said that it was actually a good performance which was somewhat alarming. Against Stoke that idiot Lamela came on and gave them so much possession and space that we had to fall deeper and deeper on that side of the pitch. Walker was screaming at people saying that he was outnumbered and almost got himself sent off because of his frustration. The crosses kept coming in from that end and nothing was done tactically to cut them out. Poch needs to manage games better - he has to react quicker, he has to be tactically more flexible during the game. We will have a tough time breaking physical teams down and indeed defending against them. Apart from their physical play, Stoke are a decent footballing side and there are several like them in the league. Its going to be a tough year.
I think Mr Levy is looking at things more from a long term perspective - the key being the building of the stadium. As long as we are not below 6th or 7th he'll be happy, and as Poch is a manager that builds youth and academy players, he is the kind of manager that fits the "project". Therefore the objective seems to be that we should be the "young" team in the country while our stadium is being built while still getting Europa League positions. Our strong scouting network means that we will attract the best young players and sell them on for significant profits as we grow - Bale, Modric being examples of when this works out. (Based on yesterday's performance, Lamela an example of when it fails). It is good leadership and management on paper and we have to respect what they are trying to do.
But while I've attempted to analyse everything rationally and logically, its just all too depressing. Been in this post-match mood too many times over the last 25 years.
Oh well, one solution is to watch brilliant videos like this to remember the few good years we had under Harry. When that commentator says 'lift off for Tottenham Hotspur", it sends a shiver down my spine. Shouldn't be so bloody emotionally involved in this damn club.
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We were in control until Harry and then mason went off. After that silly penalty it went downhill. I don't care how well Stoke played. We were at home, we were 2-0 up, we should be able to close that out. We fucked it up and looked headless for the last 20 or so. Nowhere near good enough.
bigspurs
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Way too like watching an AVB side sadly. No leaders, no guts and no balance. Zero tactical sense and zero imagination in the second half. Huge improvements needed, or I can't see Poch being in charge when we move into our new stadium. And I hate to feel so negative about it, but I'm a realist. You really have to have rose tinted glasses to think otherwise, even just after two games!
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Spurs 1961
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On the positive side we lost both corresponding games last season ... so that makes us one point up already on last season
Not clutching at straws am I?
Not clutching at straws am I?
He has been a good player for a long time, just inconsistent. As for the last comment, it is just pathetic.
Yes, stick to watching YouTube.
What's so pathetic about it? It's your negative and aim low attitude that's spreading bad karma to our team that's pathetic.
