The Daily ITK Discussion Thread CHRISTMAS EDITION

tiger666 · Jan 1, 2016

FIFA generation. Suarez or gtf.

Hot Spur · Jan 1, 2016

IGSpur said:
No Alli and Toby settled straight away as they had preseasons I believe. Son has struggled for form and consistency and was bought a couple of days before the window. That is what will happen with any Jan signing. Plus Son was also high quality o doubt we'd be able to prise someone of his level away in Jan.

Way I see it from my knowledge of world football there is maybe only that Marseille guy who looks like he could come in and have the sufficient quality and experience in that role to make a difference now. No point loaning or signing a quick fix who needs to be sold later.

Also starting to like that people are now coming round to the idea of training players we already have rather than buying average. When we had that debate in the other thread. No point clogging up a squad doing well.

Dream Jan for me would be Veljkovic signing and being understudy to Dier and then getting the understudy to Kane. If we don't use what we have and maybe trying Harrison off the bench as he is now beginning to train with first team and see how he gets on

Veljkovic has refused a new contract precisely because he Doesn't want to be an understudy, he wants regular first team football. Do keep up.

Hot Spur · Jan 1, 2016

Shadydan said:
Because people are being realistic.

Trying to improve the team isn't being realistic?? Ok.

tiger666 · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
Trying to improve the team isn't being realistic?? Ok.

Name someone.

TH1239 · Jan 1, 2016

Have many people not watched WBA this season? The issue with Berahino isn't just his attitude, but that his playing form has taken a massive dive. He doesn't look like a player that would come close to starting for us at the moment, as he looks short of fitness. Even Anichebe was selected over him last week. I want to sign a striker more than most, but if we are only going to get one between now and the start of next season, I'm not sure I want it to be Berahino. I'd rather look for a loan or low release clause option (Remy, Negredo, maybe even activate Gomis release clause) as cover and then go for Batshuayi in the summer as our big money striker signing. He's simply a much better footballer than Berahino, and a far better fit for the Pochettino system.

Hot Spur · Jan 1, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
OK, tell me a player who we could realistically sign that is better than Kane, would score more goals and would fit perfectly in our pressing style?

The best thing about these posts is that when you subsequently ask them the above question, they can't give an answer.

It's not my job to give an answer to that question, that's what scouts are for. People on here asking for "backups" clearly lack ambition to improve.

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
It's not my job to give an answer to that question, that's what scouts are for. People on here asking for "backups" clearly lack ambition to improve.

And there we go, the cop-out answer always given.

Any striker better than Kane is going to be extremely well-known, and someone that everyone's heard of, so the whole 'that's what scouts are for' is BS. There's no 'hidden gem' that is better the Kane.

Shadydan · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
Trying to improve the team isn't being realistic?? Ok.

tiger666 said:
Name someone.

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Hot Spur · Jan 1, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
And there we go, the cop-out answer always given.

Any striker better than Kane is going to be extremely well-known, and someone that everyone's heard of, so the whole 'that's what scouts are for' is BS. There's no 'hidden gem' that is better the Kane.

Who said anything about "hidden gems"??? Show me where I said that?? I said we should aim to improve, which we should, if you don't think we should then fine, that's your prerogative, but you lack ambition.

tiger666 · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
Who said anything about "hidden gems"??? Show me where I said that?? I said we should aim to improve, which we should, if you don't think we should then fine, that's your prerogative, but you lack ambition.

There isn't a striker in the world better than Kane that we can afford and would come to us. You best leave it before A&C comes in and shits all over you.

IGSpur · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
Veljkovic has refused a new contract precisely because he Doesn't want to be an understudy, he wants regular first team football. Do keep up.

I don't know where you got that from but you clearly have a better understanding of the Milos situation than I do. Thank you for the info

Shadydan · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
It's not my job to give an answer to that question, that's what scouts are for. People on here asking for "backups" clearly lack ambition to improve.

Ever thought the reason as to why people aren't mentioning players who could improve the team this month is because there aren't actually any players out there who would do that?

Lol at referring to the scouts, yeah let's hope our scouting team have lined up Robert Lewandowski before anyone else does.

IGSpur · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
It's not my job to give an answer to that question, that's what scouts are for. People on here asking for "backups" clearly lack ambition to improve.

Think the better word is competition. Realistically no striker we buy is going to be Kane off the cuff, they may eventually prove themselves better while competing, but there isn't one striker anyone can name that we can buy that will guarantee us around 20 league goals a season. We would know as we've spent the last whoever many years trying to buy one since Berbatov left. We still haven't bought one but instead produced one.

I believe there are strikers out there who could be better than Kane but right now they are still in academies or just starting to get minutes or establish themselves in their clubs first team

eddiev14 · Jan 1, 2016

THFCSPURS19 said:
And there we go, the cop-out answer always given.

Any striker better than Kane is going to be extremely well-known, and someone that everyone's heard of, so the whole 'that's what scouts are for' is BS. There's no 'hidden gem' that is better the Kane.

The irony of course being that Kane himself was a hidden gem who was miles better than everyone... :whistle:

Kalim · Jan 1, 2016

Krafty said:
I agree I don't see Lewis selling - too much investment and, importantly, time put in. Could make much more doing something else that requires less time. (Property analogy is not right tho - a lot of developers sell off plan before they have built the thing, a lot sell with planning permission granted, never mind off plan. Better thinking you have bought the land, built it up, then rented it out, then sold it when rents and capital value are About to jump. Unless Lewis needs money, no need to sell)

Only reason I could see Lewis wanting to sell up before the stadium project is that at 78 he must be planning his affairs for when he passes on, maybe getting is affairs in order as football club investments would be best not left to heirs.

longtimespur · Jan 1, 2016

Kalim said:
Only reason I could see Lewis wanting to sell up before the stadium project is that at 78 he must be planning his affairs for when he passes on, maybe getting is affairs in order as football club investments would be best not left to heirs.

Isn't his daughter a big Spurs fan though. Think she might loosen the purse strings a little (y)

Kalim · Jan 1, 2016

IGSpur said:
I don't know where you got that from but you clearly have a better understanding of the Milos situation than I do. Thank you for the info

now now...sarcasm?

rawhide · Jan 1, 2016

Hot Spur said:
Who said anything about "hidden gems"??? Show me where I said that?? I said we should aim to improve, which we should, if you don't think we should then fine, that's your prerogative, but you lack ambition.

While I understand your straight line logic, your posts are making you come across as naive, impatient and angry.

We should improve, and you can bet that Poch is looking very hard at where and how we can.

However, the notion that we can only improve by improving the starting 11, is a short sighted viewpoint, which has been debated ad nauseum in other threads and shouldn't continue here.

That said, the gist of the counterargument is that it's a squad game, with rotation, so any player that would improve that squad (usually by replacing an existing squad member) would be beneficial to Spurs. In this instance, an additional striker (of sufficient and appropriate skill set) would improve the squad. It doesn't have to be better than Kane, it has to be better than the alternative to Kane (which is currently playing an AM out of position). Of course, getting a CF better than Kane would improve Spurs, but we don't have the draw (money, wages, CL football) to get that sort of player (at the moment).

yido_number1 · Jan 1, 2016

rawhide said:
While I understand your straight line logic, your posts are making you come across as naive, impatient and angry.

We should improve, and you can bet that Poch is looking very hard at where and how we can.

However, the notion that we can only improve by improving the starting 11, is a short sighted viewpoint, which has been debated ad nauseum in other threads and shouldn't continue here.

That said, the gist of the counterargument is that it's a squad game, with rotation, so any player that would improve that squad (usually by replacing an existing squad member) would be beneficial to Spurs. In this instance, an additional striker (of sufficient and appropriate skill set) would improve the squad. It doesn't have to be better than Kane, it has to be better than the alternative to Kane (which is currently playing an AM out of position). Of course, getting a CF better than Kane would improve Spurs, but we don't have the draw (money, wages, CL football) to get that sort of player (at the moment).

I'm sure if the right player is available they will take the plunge. If there aren't any that are available I'm sure Poch won't bother. I think we heard and saw that in the last window re Berahino. It was him or no one!

spursfan77 · Jan 1, 2016

dovahkiin said:
Dragon1 on ftl: Despite what some on here believe club is aggressively for sale , and uncle joe is driving the bus on that front not pinhead , pinhead knows he has a short time to go down in Tottenham folklore , will he break the habit of a lifetime and actually for once give the coach what he needs this window

hertyid on coys: SB has been off the list since the summer really. We signed Son and Clint for big money and not really clear how SB would fit in now. He's not a Kane replacement, we have pace and trickery from the flanks, we have a 4-2-3-1 formation in our blood, there is balance. Furthermore, the word from the Midlands is he's become a walking disaster zone - unfit, disruptive, overweight, not turning up to training, mouthing off to coaching staff. Idiot. And not the kind of player MP wants at Spurs.
With Benteke scoring again at Anfield I'd be surprised if they were interested. Likely he will end up at a team spending big to try and stay up.

I make Dragon1 wrong on that one. The club isn't for sale. Enic are looking for investors for the stadium and development partners for the rest of the parts of the regeneration. I've mentioned this before and unless anything has changed since July when I was told this it remains the case now.

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