Kane back up

greaves · Jan 3, 2016

Hercules said:
I do agree, but more to do with how erratic it has been. I want to see us do it, and it uses possibility if we address a couple of areas. The youngsters need a helping hand, and Eriksen is not saying it at present, whilst Kane looks knackered. Lamela though been going great lately still does not look the player he was at Roma. None of the spoken go I want to loose, but good quality competition won't harm anyone.

I do think we need more too. A PL experienced striker, cover for Dier. And buy young Dembele from Flum...

Phomesy · Jan 3, 2016

tttcowan said:
Well that's just bollocks isn't it.

Jesus. Of course he would of played him less. There are 4 competitions we're in so undoubtedly Kane would of played less if only in the cups. And we could of taken Kane off in games as well and wrap him in cotton wool.

Said it at the start but its not fair to be so reliant on Kane. Give the guy a break. He's nackered and hasn't been right since the start of the season. Understandably.

Spurs owe it to him to give him support.

Well seeing as Poch didn't do it by the latter stages of last season when we had both Soldado and Adebayor no I don't think there's any evidence to suggest Kane would be played any less. So, no - it's "just bollocks". It's evidence.

I'm sorry but I'm just going on the evidence of Poch's decisions. You can make up a fairy tale if you like - but if you want to deal in reality take your objections up with Poch. Like I said above unless we sign Ibrahimovic, Kane's not going to suddenly get loads and loads of rest. And why should he? It's not like other top strikers are wrapped in cotton wool is it?

Yes, we need cover but for injuries not for weariness.

scat1620 · Jan 4, 2016

Phomesy said:
Well seeing as Poch didn't do it by the latter stages of last season when we had both Soldado and Adebayor no I don't think there's any evidence to suggest Kane would be played any less. So, no - it's "just bollocks". It's evidence.

I'm sorry but I'm just going on the evidence of Poch's decisions. You can make up a fairy tale if you like - but if you want to deal in reality take your objections up with Poch. Like I said above unless we sign Ibrahimovic, Kane's not going to suddenly get loads and loads of rest. And why should he? It's not like other top strikers are wrapped in cotton wool is it?

Yes, we need cover but for injuries not for weariness.

Citing Adebayor (who Pochettino clearly wouldn't have pissed on if he was on fire - personally I would've played him in some games last season fwiw, but Pochettino wanted nothing at all to do with him) and Soldado (one of the most hapless players ever to don a Spurs shirt) as examples of why Pochettino would still play Harry Kane week-in, week-out in the event that we did have a second striker in the squad who wasn't 1) a pariah or 2) comically useless isn't really a solid foundation for your argument, IMO.

penfold_99 · Jan 4, 2016

Gb160 said:
You've completely missed the point.
Spending loads on a player doesn't guarantee success, as we saw with Bobby.
Getting the right player in is much more important.

Im not missing the point, as having Bobby was infinitely better than having no Bobby and having to rely on Ade!!!

I would take someone who tries 110% over someone who only gave 10%.

Flashspur · Jan 4, 2016

Phomesy said:
Well seeing as Poch didn't do it by the latter stages of last season when we had both Soldado and Adebayor no I don't think there's any evidence to suggest Kane would be played any less. So, no - it's "just bollocks". It's evidence.

I'm sorry but I'm just going on the evidence of Poch's decisions. You can make up a fairy tale if you like - but if you want to deal in reality take your objections up with Poch. Like I said above unless we sign Ibrahimovic, Kane's not going to suddenly get loads and loads of rest. And why should he? It's not like other top strikers are wrapped in cotton wool is it?

Yes, we need cover but for injuries not for weariness.

I think people are really arguing that he needs a standby for injury. I don't think anyone is convinced by Poch's comments that Son or Chadli can do the job.

However, weariness is an important factor in injuries occurring too. Tiredness and overuse of muscles without sufficient rest can lead to a lot of muscle strain and tear injuries or more serious issues arising like groin, hamstring and Achilles tendon problems.

dagraham · Jan 4, 2016

Flashspur said:
I think people are really arguing that he needs a standby for injury. I don't think anyone is convinced by Poch's comments that Son or Chadli can do the job.

However, weariness is an important factor in injuries occurring too. Tiredness and overuse of muscles without sufficient rest can lead to a lot of muscle strain and tear injuries or more serious issues arising like groin, hamstring and Achilles tendon problems.

Agree, but I'd also argue that we don't have anyone on the bench who can turn a game. I know Son won us the game at Watford, but his match winning contributions have been minimal so far. I think he's a good player, but there's no point sugar coating it. He's not a CF and nor are Chadli and Lamela, despite some desperately clinging on to the notion that they might be to make it seem more palatable when we don't get one.

Of course Kane will still start the majority of games, but the situation at present is that Kane has to stay on for 90 mins every game, even if he's out on his feet or having a stinker. It's ridiculous and belies our position in the league and our ambitions of where we say we want to be.

Gb160 · Jan 4, 2016

penfold_99 said:
Im not missing the point, as having Bobby was infinitely better than having no Bobby and having to rely on Ade!!!

I would take someone who tries 110% over someone who only gave 10%.

Christ...I just stated that spending lots of money on a striker doesn't guarantee fuck all.
What the hell has Ade and effort percentages got to do with it?...clearly missing the point.

jurgen · Jan 4, 2016

dagraham said:
Agree, but I'd also argue that we don't have anyone on the bench who can turn a game. I know Son won us the game at Watford, but his match winning contributions have been minimal so far. I think he's a good player, but there's no point sugar coating it. He's not a CF and nor are Chadli and Lamela, despite some desperately clinging on to the notion that they might be to make it seem more palatable when we don't get one.

Of course Kane will still start the majority of games, but the situation at present is that Kane has to stay on for 90 mins every game, even if he's out on his feet or having a stinker. It's ridiculous and belies our position in the league and our ambitions of where we say we want to be.

Apparently Son and Chadli can be magically trained into a line-leading striker, and even more amazingly they can do this sitting on the bench without learning that role in actual matches. Dier has had lots of game time to hone his craft at DM, Son and Chadli are not getting this at the moment due to the performance of others. Poch seems very good at helping players grow/change but that would be a miracle.. The smarter move would be to admit they are only really going to play as part of the three behind and get someone in to give us an option should Kane tire as he did yesterday.

yido_number1 · Jan 4, 2016

jurgen said:
Apparently Son and Chadli can be magically trained into a line-leading striker, and even more amazingly they can do this sitting on the bench without learning that role in actual matches. Dier has had lots of game time to hone his craft at DM, Son and Chadli are not getting this at the moment due to the performance of others. Poch seems very good at helping players grow/change but that would be a miracle.. The smarter move would be to admit they are only really going to play as part of the three behind and get someone in to give us an option should Kane tire as he did yesterday.

Didn't Son score a hatrick in the only game he has led the line this season?

Poch isn't about to start saying in public that he has to have another striker but I'm sure behind the scenes he will be saying we need someone.

13VanDerBale13 · Jan 4, 2016

So another January transfer window arises & another period window in which we need to strengthen.

Will we? I doubt it.

My prediction, We sign Dembele from Fulham & loan him back for the rest of the season.

Lighty64 · Jan 4, 2016

spursfan77 said:
And you saw how effective lukaku was today. A pail shadow of the player of 2/3 weeks ago. No way as effective.

Of course Kane would have played less if we had another striker. He wouldn't have started the majority of Europa league games for a start. We aren't going to sign a striker of the equivalent ability of Kane. We don't have a spare £60 million lying around.

As I said in the summer, surely not another 1 of the 91 league clubs only has 1 striker. It's madness.

the one he was rested for was followed by one of his worst performances of the season "Monaco" "Newcastle"

spursfan77 · Jan 4, 2016

Lighty64 said:
the one he was rested for was followed by one of his worst performances of the season "Monaco" "Newcastle"

Compared to the rest of the team who had fabulous performances against the Geordies!

Lighty64 · Jan 4, 2016

spursfan77 said:
Compared to the rest of the team who had fabulous performances against the Geordies!

on that day, no one turned up in the 2nd half

I never put his 2nd half down to tiredness yesterday, I put it down to him not getting any kind of service. Everton upped their game the 2nd half and all of a sudden we struggled to pass the ball as well or dominate the possession, and Stones and Funes Mori dominated Kane in the air, when we needed to play the long ball

Hercules · Jan 4, 2016

greaves said:
I do think we need more too. A PL experienced striker, cover for Dier. And buy young Dembele from Flum...

I already stated that in another post on this topic.

spursfan77 · Jan 4, 2016

Lighty64 said:
on that day, no one turned up in the 2nd half

I never put his 2nd half down to tiredness yesterday, I put it down to him not getting any kind of service. Everton upped their game the 2nd half and all of a sudden we struggled to pass the ball as well or dominate the possession, and Stones and Funes Mori dominated Kane in the air, when we needed to play the long ball

I think you're right about that yesterday but he also couldn't run. After about 60 minutes he was slower than me!

greaves · Jan 4, 2016

Hercules said:
I already stated that in another post on this topic.

Great minds.

Shadydan · Jan 4, 2016

Lighty64 said:
on that day, no one turned up in the 2nd half

I never put his 2nd half down to tiredness yesterday, I put it down to him not getting any kind of service. Everton upped their game the 2nd half and all of a sudden we struggled to pass the ball as well or dominate the possession, and Stones and Funes Mori dominated Kane in the air, when we needed to play the long ball

When has Kane needed service to be effective? He was tired yesterday you could see it.

Mustard · Jan 4, 2016

Charlie Austin

Lighty64 · Jan 4, 2016

spursfan77 said:
I think you're right about that yesterday but he also couldn't run. After about 60 minutes he was slower than me!

was he slower or was it preserving energy. the 1st half we was so high up the pitch he was sprinting shorter distances. in the 2nd half we was a lot deeper due to the pressure Everton put on us and he was going to have to cover 3 times the distance to help close down.

just my view.

Lighty64 · Jan 4, 2016

Shadydan said:
When has Kane needed service to be effective? He was tired yesterday you could see it.

I've put my views as a reply above to spursfan77

he worked very hard 1st half as many did, it might of even had something to do with the pitch, it had rained constant for 3-4 hours before KO.

on a few occasions this season I've seen "he looks knackered" yet the next match he has a blinder and doesn't show signs.

if he is starting to really feel the effects of the season, we will see it more often in the following weeks

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