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Shadydan · Jan 3, 2016

Lighty64 said:
lucky he bossed the midfield otherwise we might of conceded 90 goals instead of 53. he and Mason where the players intrusted to protect our defence, luckily for us Kane, Erikson and Chadli scored enough to help get 5th.

the highlight reels only show the good things not the bad. too often he goes into lazy mode, and his passing suffers

It's been said neumorous times that the reason why we conceded so many goals wasn't solely down to the DMF's so I don't know why you're trying to pin that on them.

He was a big part as to why we got to 5th and was a consistent performer last season.

Lighty64 · Jan 3, 2016

Shadydan said:
It's been said neumorous times that the reason why we conceded so many goals wasn't solely down to the DMF's so I don't know why you're trying to pin that on them.

He was a big part as to why we got to 5th and was a consistent performer last season.

how many goals and assist did he get?

I only remember 2 absolute outstanding matches, Chelsea and Arsenal, plenty of tidy games, and plenty were he and Mason looked like complete strangers.

someone mentioned his completed pass rate, unfortunately the 13% bad most probably lead to goals being conceded

I also remember this season, an error v Man U, and couldn't be arsed to try and make up for the error, lack of closing down a Stoke player that went on to score the equaliser. since then he has only made 2 sub apps mainly due to injuries, and look what we are doing. we haven't missed him

edit: he definitely never bossed the midfield

Spursidol · Jan 3, 2016

Lighty64 said:
lucky he bossed the midfield otherwise we might of conceded 90 goals instead of 53. he and Mason where the players intrusted to protect our defence, luckily for us Kane, Erikson and Chadli scored enough to help get 5th.

the highlight reels only show the good things not the bad. too often he goes into lazy mode, and his passing suffers

If you watched the games last season you may recall that our AM's (as a whole) were poor in retaining possession - Lamela being the poorest but the others were not good - leading the CM's always under pressure.

The AM's are much better this season at retaining possession (lamella being the biggest improvement by far) which means that Dier and his CM partner have been under far less pressure, whilst the AM's have not reduced their offensive capabilities.

Shadydan · Jan 3, 2016

Lighty64 said:
how many goals and assist did he get?

I only remember 2 absolute outstanding matches, Chelsea and Arsenal, plenty of tidy games, and plenty were he and Mason looked like complete strangers.

someone mentioned his completed pass rate, unfortunately the 13% bad most probably lead to goals being conceded

I also remember this season, an error v Man U, and couldn't be arsed to try and make up for the error, lack of closing down a Stoke player that went on to score the equaliser. since then he has only made 2 sub apps mainly due to injuries, and look what we are doing. we haven't missed him

edit: he definitely never bossed the midfield

Since when has it been his job to score goals or create assists?

Yes you remember errors which lead to goals, funny how the brain works isn't it, what you wouldn't have remembered are the games where he was consistent and kept the play ticking over. If he's as bad as you make him out to be why was our management so desperate to tie him down to a new contract?

We haven't missed him because we have high quality replacements in Ali and Dembele, that's not a slight on Bentaleb.

Lighty64 · Jan 3, 2016

Shadydan said:
Since when has it been his job to score goals or create assists?

Yes you remember errors which lead to goals, funny how the brain works isn't it, what you wouldn't have remembered are the games where he was consistent and kept the play ticking over. If he's as bad as you make him out to be why was our management so desperate to tie him down to a new contract?

We haven't missed him because we have high quality replacements in Ali and Dembele, that's not a slight on Bentaleb.

how long did he have left on his contract?

as I said "I only remember 2 absolute outstanding matches, Chelsea and Arsenal, plenty of tidy games", but I also remember shouting at the screen or TV many times for very lazy passing that lead to us either conceding or putting us under pressure.

I can't help it if we have differing views, for me he is not a player I miss when he isn't playing.

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 3, 2016

Lighty64 said:
how many goals and assist did he get?

I only remember 2 absolute outstanding matches, Chelsea and Arsenal, plenty of tidy games, and plenty were he and Mason looked like complete strangers.

someone mentioned his completed pass rate, unfortunately the 13% bad most probably lead to goals being conceded

I also remember this season, an error v Man U, and couldn't be arsed to try and make up for the error, lack of closing down a Stoke player that went on to score the equaliser. since then he has only made 2 sub apps mainly due to injuries, and look what we are doing. we haven't missed him

edit: he definitely never bossed the midfield

Can't believe you've actually pulled out the 'how many goals and assist did he get'. After the amount of times its been said that Modric contributed few of either, I am genuinely baffled that someone could still use this as an argument.

The fact that you've said 'unfortunately the 13% bad most probably lead to goals being conceded' just shows you have no evidence to back up what you're saying. Complete guesswork, and obviously rubbish as many of them would have been long passes, and we conceded significantly fewer goals than missed passes (208 of his 1564 passes were not accurate). Funny how its only Bentaleb's 13% that would have led to goals.

mattie g · Jan 3, 2016

So...is Bentaleb still injured?

Spursidol · Jan 3, 2016

mattie g said:
So...is Bentaleb still injured?

Nope, on the bench

Spursidol · Jan 3, 2016

Spursidol said:
If you watched the games last season you may recall that our AM's (as a whole) were poor in retaining possession - Lamela being the poorest but the others were not good - leading the CM's always under pressure.

The AM's are much better this season at retaining possession (lamella being the biggest improvement by far) which means that Dier and his CM partner have been under far less pressure, whilst the AM's have not reduced their offensive capabilities.

@eric-s

Not sure what you are disagreeing with as you haven't posted - do you want to say that Lamela hasn't improved this season ?

Or did you not see that the ball wasn't sticking to the AM's last season ?

THFCSPURS19 · Jan 6, 2016

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...despite-interest-from-west-ham-a3149606.html?

Meanwhile, Ryan Mason has suffered a setback in his recovery from an ankle injury. The midfielder returned to the bench for the 2-1 win at Watford on December 28 but was unavailable for Sunday’s 1-1 draw at Everton after complaining of soreness in the joint.

All these fucking injury problems started when he got injured scoring a fucking winning goal for us.

carpediem991 · Jan 6, 2016

Such a shame about Ryan. I guess he will always be prone to injuries, we have to be careful. Prefer him to Carroll and lots of others.

bat-chain · Jan 6, 2016

Persistent ankle injuries can be real fuckers. Most important thing is to take real care here and make sure all is OK. No rushing.

Blake Griffin · Jan 6, 2016

read earlier that he needs ankle surgery, just a case of whether we do it now or put it off until the end of the season.

Tottenham_God · Jan 6, 2016

carpediem991 said:
Such a shame about Ryan. I guess he will always be prone to injuries, we have to be careful. Prefer him to Carroll and lots of others.

Blake Griffin said:
read earlier that he needs ankle surgery, just a case of whether we do it now or put it off until the end of the season.

bat-chain said:
Persistent ankle injuries can be real fuckers. Most important thing is to take real care here and make sure all is OK. No rushing.

What do we all think of maybe trying to cash in on him after the season finishes if he cant get a run of games together? whilst he has some value.

bat-chain · Jan 6, 2016

He's one of my absolute favorites, the only reason I'm quite worried about his fitness is because I really like what he adds to the side, so I really wouldn't entertain the idea of a sale.

Bus-Conductor · Jan 6, 2016

Spursidol said:
If you watched the games last season you may recall that our AM's (as a whole) were poor in retaining possession - Lamela being the poorest but the others were not good - leading the CM's always under pressure.

The AM's are much better this season at retaining possession (lamella being the biggest improvement by far) which means that Dier and his CM partner have been under far less pressure, whilst the AM's have not reduced their offensive capabilities.

Agree with your general point and has been said plenty of times and proven statistically, the input in terms of tackles, interceptions, passes, chances created, assists, goals was better from our CM2 last season in general, but the front four improvement in terms of tackles and interceptions - in other words work without the ball - has increased drastically beyond belief to be better than everyone else in the league considerably last time I posted the stats for the blog.

Where I disagree with you is singling out Lamela, Chadli and Townsend were much bigger problems. Chadli and Lamela both completed 83% per 90min metric, Townsend 81%, but neither Chadli or Townsend got close to Lamela's tackle/interception rate or work without the ball.

LexingtonSpurs · Jan 6, 2016

Tottenham_God said:
What do we all think of maybe trying to cash in on him after the season finishes if he cant get a run of games together? whilst he has some value.

He is good enough to be in the 1st team (others are ahead of him - but when he is in form, he is a solid player for us.)

He is also a HG player - which carries a lot of value - primarily in European competitions.

If Mason is not pushing to leave for regular first team football, I would not even think of selling him.

(If we had to sell one HG CM this summer, my preference would be to sell Bentaleb over Mason.)

Tottenham_God · Jan 7, 2016

LexingtonSpurs said:
He is good enough to be in the 1st team (others are ahead of him - but when he is in form, he is a solid player for us.)

He is also a HG player - which carries a lot of value - primarily in European competitions.

If Mason is not pushing to leave for regular first team football, I would not even think of selling him.

(If we had to sell one HG CM this summer, my preference would be to sell Bentaleb over Mason.)

True, i get this.

We do although have Dier, Carroll, Winks (hopefully) Alli and Bentaleb (i think) HG players in the same position.

Why do you prefer Mason over Bentaleb?

I would be happy to keep him as i like him as a player, but if we can upgrade and cash in i wouldn't be upset.

LexingtonSpurs · Jan 7, 2016

Tottenham_God said:
True, i get this.

We do although have Dier, Carroll, Winks (hopefully) Alli and Bentaleb (i think) HG players in the same position.

Why do you prefer Mason over Bentaleb?

I would be happy to keep him as i like him as a player, but if we can upgrade and cash in i wouldn't be upset.

Just a gut feel that Mason wants to be here more than Bentaleb. But, I am happy if they can both find their roles in the squad.

spurs9 · Jan 7, 2016

Tottenham_God said:
True, i get this.

We do although have Dier, Carroll, Winks (hopefully) Alli and Bentaleb (i think) HG players in the same position.

Why do you prefer Mason over Bentaleb?

I would be happy to keep him as i like him as a player, but if we can upgrade and cash in i wouldn't be upset.

Dier doesn't count as HG. Bentaleb does though.

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