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minesadouble

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Loyalty v Ruthlessness.

An interesting dilemma. It applies everywhere, not just in football. How many guys (girls) have stayed with a girlfriend (boyfriend) too long, out of some misguided sense of ‘being nice’ ? Over time, you finish up being nastier to her than if you ended it when you should have done. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

On the other hand, get into the habit of (or get a reputation for) ending every relationship before it’s begun, and then the one hot bird you truly like won’t trust you.

All the evidence so far suggests Poch is firmly in the Fergie camp; protective but ruthless. Poch demands total commitment from his players. To be able to do that though, you have to show trustworthiness in return. Selling a player who’s been with the Club since he was a kid, who tries his best whenever he’s given a chance on the pitch, doesn’t only send a message to that player. It speaks loudly to every player remaining at the Club. Sometimes that can be a positive for the dressing room (selling Andros?). Sometimes, not. It’s a delicate balance.

I suspect selling all of Carroll, Mason and Bentaleb in one summer would give out the wrong message to our team, our academy and even our transfer targets.
 
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Everlasting Seconds

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Loyalty v Ruthlessness.

An interesting dilemma. It applies everywhere, not just in football. How many guys (girls) have stayed with a girlfriend (boyfriend) too long, out of some misguided sense of ‘being nice’ ? Over time, you finish up being nastier to her than if you ended it when you should have done. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

On the other hand, get into the habit of (or get a reputation for) ending every relationship before it’s begun, and then the one hot bird you truly like won’t trust you.

All the evidence so far suggests Poch is firmly in the Fergie camp; protective but ruthless. Poch demands total commitment from his players. To be able to do that though, you have to show trustworthiness in return. Selling a player who’s been with the Club since he was a kid, who tries his best whenever he’s given a chance on the pitch, doesn’t only send a message to that player. It speaks loudly to every player remaining at the Club. Sometimes that can be a positive for the dressing room (selling Andros?). Sometimes, not. It’s a delicate balance.

I suspect selling all of Carroll, Mason and Bentaleb in one summer would give out the wrong message to our team, our academy and even our transfer targets.
Oh, we won't have to sell ALL of them.
Some we can just give away. ;)
 

dovahkiin

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sorry if posted, been rather busy
hertyid on son: This is rank speculation based on him being subbed off at HT last weekend. No quotes and no truth in it.
 

King Yid

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sorry if posted, been rather busy
hertyid on son: This is rank speculation based on him being subbed off at HT last weekend. No quotes and no truth in it.

Would expect Chadli to be out the door long before Son anyway. Wouldn't have made sense selling him - he hasn't had too bad a season considering it's his first year in the PL and another year with Poch could see him making a similar contribution to what Lamela has done this year.
 

Lighty64

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Shameful thing is that he keeps on being selected.

I'm cabbing a friend of his family tomorrow, who used to babysit him as a kid, i'll pass your good wishes onto him for you.

he has been playing with an injury since January.

take it you feel the same about Eriksen getting the ball taken off his feet v Newcastle and then a few minutes later we found ourselves 1-0 and having to chase the match v Newcastle
 

quackers

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I'm cabbing a friend of his family tomorrow, who used to babysit him as a kid, i'll pass your good wishes onto him for you.

he has been playing with an injury since January.

take it you feel the same about Eriksen getting the ball taken off his feet v Newcastle and then a few minutes later we found ourselves 1-0 and having to chase the match v Newcastle

Nah Eriksen scores goals that get us to cup finals and beat Clubs like City away.

Yet to see what Mason brings to the table?
 

npearl4spurs

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Nah Eriksen scores goals that get us to cup finals and beat Clubs like City away.

Yet to see what Mason brings to the table?

Has the balls to score a game winning goal at Sunderland even when he knows that doing so may injury him - an injury he has since not fully recovered from.

All you Mason haters can go play in traffic
 

minesadouble

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After 3 points out of 12 (3 draws and 1 loss), Spurs went to Sunderland for the 5th game of the PL Season in mid-September 2015. It was 0-0 and then, near the end, Ryan Mason scored and we won 1-0 and our season was up and running. Mason hurt himself scoring that goal and was out for a long time.

npearl4spurs: Beat me to it !
 

Gedson100

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Bentaleb being completely omitted from multiple squads is enough to know where his current status at the club is, at least through Pochettinos eyes, be astounded if he is retained for next year, especially given we have few obvious assets to flip for maintaining the level spending this time round.
 

coy-spurs1882

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I'm cabbing a friend of his family tomorrow, who used to babysit him as a kid, i'll pass your good wishes onto him for you.

he has been playing with an injury since January.

take it you feel the same about Eriksen getting the ball taken off his feet v Newcastle and then a few minutes later we found ourselves 1-0 and having to chase the match v Newcastle
don't know why eriksen can always escape from criticism even when he performed as poor as the others
 

Parkie

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Are we still debating Mason?

If we had Mason and Bentaleb on the form they showed last season, it would be like signing two new midfielders to cover for the first choices - great. If they are not going to get back to that form, we need to consider buying others. Either way, slating and ripping them apart without having all the facts is hardly productive - particularly in an ITK thread.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Are we still debating Mason?

If we had Mason and Bentaleb on the form they showed last season, it would be like signing two new midfielders to cover for the first choices - great. If they are not going to get back to that form, we need to consider buying others. Either way, slating and ripping them apart without having all the facts is hardly productive - particularly in an ITK thread.

The problem is, how do players show form when not being selected regularly? Form is something that players grow into, not something they show When they get chucked hoc games. Then when they aren't brilliant straight away everyone says "if only they could show the form they showed last year" but they showed that form last year because they were getting picked every week, and thus were able to grow "form".
 
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