mightyspur
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I am. Wasn't even there.
England fans involved in clashes in Marseille
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cozzo
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WorcesterTHFC
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It seems to me that the police are part of the problem, not the solution. But the French interior minister seems to think they're doing a perfect job.
jackson
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Listening to TalkSport program now, Colin Murray talking about whats going on. Plenty of first hand accounts
Apparently the flare being fired was a signal for the trouble to begin. Russians waiting at the exits outside the ground to fight the English back inside.
Apparently there's been organised groups of sober Russians, tooled up, padded up, looking to kick the shit out of drunk english. That being there sole reason for being there.
That's the difference, I believe, of course you get the typical English louts getting drunk, singing, chanting etc some doing stupid stuff but I don't believe we've got people out there actively looking to riot and start fights - they've not been allowed to travel for a long time.
worcestersauce
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Loud pissed boorish moronic and a bloody nuisance are all terms that can be levelled at some England fans but these are not reasons for the riot squad to start with the strong arm tactics against them let alone the thousands of perfectly well behaved England fans.
The facts are gradually coming out now and it is becoming clear that the England fans are the victims of local ultras, organised Russian gangs and to some extent the riot police.
I know there are England fans throwing things and on the attack but when your bloods up and you feel under attack you don't just wait for the next assault, you put on your fierce face. The bottom line is that the England fans sitting peacefully eating and enjoying each others company did not cause this and should have been protected by the police.
I'm not blinkered on this I know England fans have been the worst offenders in the past but that is not the case here and to be honest after the reaction of some of the tv pundits I think the English fans are due an apology.
The facts are gradually coming out now and it is becoming clear that the England fans are the victims of local ultras, organised Russian gangs and to some extent the riot police.
I know there are England fans throwing things and on the attack but when your bloods up and you feel under attack you don't just wait for the next assault, you put on your fierce face. The bottom line is that the England fans sitting peacefully eating and enjoying each others company did not cause this and should have been protected by the police.
I'm not blinkered on this I know England fans have been the worst offenders in the past but that is not the case here and to be honest after the reaction of some of the tv pundits I think the English fans are due an apology.
montylynch
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State sponsored violence. By order of Putin. A lot of the russians involved are Police and Army and have gone over purely to kick our arses back to England.
We all know nothing will be done apart from paltry fines dished out and a slap on the wrist for Russia.
We all know nothing will be done apart from paltry fines dished out and a slap on the wrist for Russia.
mightyspur
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The other issue, let's face it is the real English thugs that would be spoiling for a fight aren't allowed to travel as they have to hand in their passports during these events. The Russian thugs have no such banning orders in place.
johnbowel
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Yes, but it seems like your morons are a little bit more morons than the rest of the worlds morons. What are the prototypical english hooligan in France now? Do they belong to firms, or are we talking about ordinary supporters/wannabes who find their time of their life now when they are "fighting for" and "protecting" Englands honour or some nonsense?
I just saw plenty of clips from the last days in Marseille on Youtube. These lads are so rediculous. Throwing chairs seems to be their favourite activity along with singing and screaming/chanting/provocing. Singing is OK, but not the way they are doing it. And there are thousands of them too.
How can these morons afford a trip to France? Do you actually employ them?
Next time the british nobility should get all the England tickets. More civilized supporters I suppose..
Scary clips! But I guess there are some okay english there too.
Not really. If you like to generalise scandanavia, Germany, Russia,, Spain and Italy... and on and on have a barbaric record for countries calling themselves civilised when it comes to racial integration and racism in general. England and the US (and the US is far from my favourite nation) are streets ahead.
The joke of it is, whenever black players go to european leagues they have to put up with all the chants and gestures that only show the locals are the primitives.
The only real difference is England condemns and is aware of and ashamed of its thugs, whereas other countries often deny their existence or generalise about the English, in so doing showing the kind of uncultured brainlessness they flatter themselves in thinking they oppose.
Geyzer Soze
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How on earth could you possibly know that? What twaddle!
poc
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This is complete and utter rubbish. I was there and I cannot be arsed to go into it but we 100% did not instigate the Russians coming into that area.
Trix
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I'd agree with this. An awful lot of those fighting the English wearing face masks. Only one reason to be taking a ski mask to a football match in those temperatures.
poc
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Thanks, It's been fantastic, sitting in a bar now but never went into the port area with the idiots, awesome place.Glad you are safe buddy.
nailsy
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Plus gum shields, telescopic batons, etc.
I don't know what happened on Friday/Saturday to cause the violence, but the stuff on Sunday definitely appears to have been planned and coordinated.
DEFchenkOE
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The articles that I read this morning from the Russian "fan" Vladimir pretty much shows that a large number of Russians went there to fight some English fans and go home. It's a sport he said.
kr1978
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Russian MP tweets there is nothing wrong with football fans fighting and to keep it up-these people are hosting the next World Cup 
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/d...dev-supports-hooligans-v-england-tweets-keep/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/d...dev-supports-hooligans-v-england-tweets-keep/
DEFchenkOE
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Also police now saying that they fear 150 extremely violent Russians heading to Lille for the Eng-Wales match.
thebenjamin
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Thing is with English hoolies, if you just leave them alone nothing will happen. They sing songs, get pissed, be pretty vulgar and throw the odd chair but that's about the extent of it. They're not actually out to hurt anyone. The absolute worst thing you can do is tear gas them because it then descends into a free for all, and ropes in lots of non hoolies pissed off at being attacked for no reason.
Mate of mine was drinking in a perfectly civilised bar with his 2 sons and the police just tear gassed it for no reason.
Even though English hoolies are obviously lowlives, there still remains a code that they only hurt other hoolies 'in the game'. Obviously the Russians were there to try and maim innocent people with weapons, attacking people with their families, etc. Completely different mindset, rather than pissheads who like a tear up, they're actually dangerous psychopaths.
Mate of mine was drinking in a perfectly civilised bar with his 2 sons and the police just tear gassed it for no reason.
Even though English hoolies are obviously lowlives, there still remains a code that they only hurt other hoolies 'in the game'. Obviously the Russians were there to try and maim innocent people with weapons, attacking people with their families, etc. Completely different mindset, rather than pissheads who like a tear up, they're actually dangerous psychopaths.
WalkerboyUK
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So the police should be well aware and looking for them rather than causing aggro with our fans.
Won't happen - they'll just tear gas us and the Welsh instead.
Geyzer Soze
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Said in the first few pages of this thread that people should be very careful because people around here are not to be fucked with, be it the local gangs in the Banlieu, the Corsican Mafia, the Russia Mafia ... You do NOT fuck with people around here. Mind your business and keep your head down you'll be fine (as attested by a few people on this site). Stick your head up and mess with people and you're playing with fire.
Seems to me that a few Brits started fucking around a few days ago, bit of rowdy banter, bit of a laugh that got a bit out of hand. In a normal place under normal circumstances that would be it. Move on, slight stain on the old rep but that's it. However the initial behavior pissed people off/ 'challenged' them and they moblilised and now it's gone beyond what was accounted for.
So hence we can see if we look at the timeline that it started small (probably alot at the door of a few English fans tbf) and it has spiraled out of control, out of the hands of the England fans, and could now spiral further if these reports of Russians planning on following the England fans are to be believed.
Seems to me that a few Brits started fucking around a few days ago, bit of rowdy banter, bit of a laugh that got a bit out of hand. In a normal place under normal circumstances that would be it. Move on, slight stain on the old rep but that's it. However the initial behavior pissed people off/ 'challenged' them and they moblilised and now it's gone beyond what was accounted for.
So hence we can see if we look at the timeline that it started small (probably alot at the door of a few English fans tbf) and it has spiraled out of control, out of the hands of the England fans, and could now spiral further if these reports of Russians planning on following the England fans are to be believed.
