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Second Round Day 3 - Italy v Spain, England v Iceland

Bus-Conductor

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Lots huffing and puffing, but it's all a bit witless. You get players taking an extra touch when it could be moved quickly, or panicking and passing to quickly when they should put their foot on it. The movement goes from everyone being static then all realising they are static and all spinning off at the same time.

The other thing that you really notice is the way the best nations and players are that bit better at simply passing; the weight of pass, passing into a moving players stride. English players tend to whack the ball at each other, even when they are 5 yards apart, so the receiving player can rarely take the ball quickly, in stride but has to control the fucking thing first and then momentum goes.


Who'd have thought when I said this at half time that it could actually get worse.

I'm seeing a lot of venom towards Hodgson, and though I've never been a real fan of his, I think a lot of it is pretty unfair. Half that team was Spurs players. It's hardly Hodgson's fault when players can't fucking pass a ball 3 yards to each other, control simple passes or make simple decisions or show the vaguest hint of composure. And there were times when watching Spurs this drove me nuts too (though of course it wasn't just the Spurs players tonight). I wouldn't have had Rooney in midfield and have said that all along, but that wasn't (and shouldn't) cost England to lose to a team like Iceland.

Things will not change for England until they actually start to prioritise intelligence, cognitive ability & technique above pace, speed, physique and fucking gung ho-ness.

Better managers than Hodgson (Capello eg) have also failed to get England playing any kind of cohesive football. I still have some hope that the change in attitude at youth coaching level may start to bare some fruit in the coming years, but when you look at how difficult it still is for those kids to get chances at EPL level, and the attitude to playing our most talented kids in our first teams compared to Germany, France etc, and the increased money coming into the EPL not helping that at all, I do fear for some of the most talented kids.

It wasn't embarrassing to go out to a team like Iceland, the underdog will often win football matches, what is embarrassing is when you watch the other major nations, even when they haven't got their strongest teams (Italy), or are also going through slight transition, they still at least perform the basics competently, technique, movement, passing, composure, they invariably tend to lose cohesively. Iceland didn't really beat England tonight, England really beat themselves because for all their bluster they were utterly devoid in intelligence, guile, craft, composure, cohesion & even basic technique under pressure.
 

thinktank

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Colston

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That's not the truth. The truth is he was totally fucking clueless tactically and picked players when they were playing like shit. The guy was a fucking clown.
Of course, but the best thing you could do to stay somewhat professional is tell someone he's a nice bloke while you take a dump on his legacy.
 

Dr Benson

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To be honest, I`m not surprised. England weren`t very impressing in the first game vs Russia. A little better in the Wales-game, but surprisingly tamed and dull vs Slovakia. Iceland on the other hand have defended themselves like heros all the way and have been extremely well organized.

I never understood why Hodgson got the job in the first place, and I never understood why Rooney was picked, and I really never understood why England didn`t play 4-4-2 with both Kane and Vardy.
 

Mr Pink

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I've already got money on Germany and France. Wish I'd had some money on Italy now. 16/1 before the tournament started.

Betfair were offering 20/1 on Italy last night, was so tempted - kicking myself now, down to 7/1.
 

tototoner

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One of the big problem England actually have is not finding any worth in the U21's and giving young players tournament experience (the most talented young players) and they are instead shoehorned into the senior squad full of older players with several failed tournament experiences between them. If they actually let the best young players play together and stay in U21's for a bit they could actually do very well in major U21's tournament and then bring that experience into an older bunch of losers who do nothing but fail.
Spot on, English media and setup don't take the U21s seriously at all
 

Mr Pink

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To be honest, I`m not surprised. England weren`t very impressing in the first game vs Russia. A little better in the Wales-game, but surprisingly tamed and dull vs Slovakia. Iceland on the other hand have defended themselves like heros all the way and have been extremely well organized.

I never understood why Hodgson got the job in the first place, and I never understood why Rooney was picked, and I really never understood why England didn`t play 4-4-2 with both Kane and Vardy.

That's bollox, they were pretty good against Russia and certainly did enough to beat Slovakia. If anything they were worse against Wales.
 

Gbspurs

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To be honest, I`m not surprised. England weren`t very impressing in the first game vs Russia. A little better in the Wales-game, but surprisingly tamed and dull vs Slovakia. Iceland on the other hand have defended themselves like heros all the way and have been extremely well organized.

I never understood why Hodgson got the job in the first place, and I never understood why Rooney was picked, and I really never understood why England didn`t play 4-4-2 with both Kane and Vardy.

We were pretty good against Russia.
 

TheHoddleWaddle

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Getting worried about Chelsea next season having seen how tactically astute their new manager is

He looks the nuts. I can't see some of the players there making it to Xmas before he either kills them or sells them. The dressing room power at Stamford Bridge is about to get destroyed. Which is a shame, because I think it was mainly the reason they floundered so much.
 

tiger666

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They could do with a good rest. I've said it a million times, Kane should never have gone to the under 21 euros last summer.

Guy must have some serious health problems if playing 3 games a year ago means he's knackered now. Lazy excuse.
 
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