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SpursDave88

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They've got a fair point, I mean...what chance do we have of finishing ahead of the mighty Liverpool? I mean it's not like we finished ahead of them for six out of the last seven seasons or anything...now that they have Klopp in charge and they have signed Sadio Mane and Wjinaldum, how can we possible hope to compete?
 

Syn_13

Fly On, Little Wing
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I love the mix of despair and delusion in this post on KUMB:

"I don't really understand why we are unable to sign a striker. There is something not quite right. Best stadium in the league; in the uefa cup; one of the best players in Europe. But we still can't attract a striker?"




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Love how they refer to it as the "Uefa cup". Even we didn't kid ourselves when we called it the Europa League. It is what it is.

Best stadium in the league? Do me a favour, you haven't even seen the bloody thing yet on a match day.

In the "Uefa cup"? Yes, because playing at Old Trafford and San Siro/Giuseppe Meazza is pretty much akin to Old Dagenham Park. :shifty:
 

Danny1

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Dec 6, 2006
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Another long list of Liverpool fans who are just completely and utterly deluded! They may have history, 30 years ago, but as of right now they are nothing compared to us. We have:

1 - a better team
2 - a better manager
3 - a better training complex
4 - have finished comfortably higher in the league than them baring one freak Suarez driven season, for 8 years now!
5 - in two years time we will have a much better stadium than them.

All they have is a better history. The problem is that history is exactly that, history! We were better than Liverpool in the 60's and they were bigger than us through the 80s-mid 00's. Since then they have been the lesser club. They struggle to attract truly top talent and have to hope that other premier league players come good following the move, with none of them currently doing so. Perfect examples are:

1 - Nathaniel Clyne
2 - Adam Lallana
3 - Rickie Lambert
4 - Dejan Lovren
5 - Mario Balotelli
6 - James Milner
7 - Danny Ings
8 - Christian Benteke
9 - Simon Mignolet

We will see if Sadio Mane & Wijnaldum join that list!!
 

barry

Bring me Messi
May 22, 2005
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Another long list of Liverpool fans who are just completely and utterly deluded! They may have history, 30 years ago, but as of right now they are nothing compared to us. We have:

1 - a better team
2 - a better manager
3 - a better training complex
4 - have finished comfortably higher in the league than them baring one freak Suarez driven season, for 8 years now!
5 - in two years time we will have a much better stadium than them.

All they have is a better history. The problem is that history is exactly that, history! We were better than Liverpool in the 60's and they were bigger than us through the 80s-mid 00's. Since then they have been the lesser club. They struggle to attract truly top talent and have to hope that other premier league players come good following the move, with none of them currently doing so. Perfect examples are:

1 - Nathaniel Clyne
2 - Adam Lallana
3 - Rickie Lambert
4 - Dejan Lovren
5 - Mario Balotelli
6 - James Milner
7 - Danny Ings
8 - Christian Benteke
9 - Simon Mignolet

We will see if Sadio Mane & Wijnaldum join that list!!

Better manager is highly debatable considering their respective careers.
 

leffe186

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Well they also have more money, which is the problem. Sooner or later, if you throw enough money at a football team it will get better. That said, if we can stay ahead of them until the new stadium comes we'll be laughing.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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Liverpool will challenge us this season, to dismiss them as deluded is a mistake, this will be a tough year.
We're good enough though.
 

Flashp

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Aug 31, 2012
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Another long list of Liverpool fans who are just completely and utterly deluded! They may have history, 30 years ago, but as of right now they are nothing compared to us. We have:

1 - a better team
2 - a better manager
3 - a better training complex
4 - have finished comfortably higher in the league than them baring one freak Suarez driven season, for 8 years now!
5 - in two years time we will have a much better stadium than them.

All they have is a better history. The problem is that history is exactly that, history! We were better than Liverpool in the 60's and they were bigger than us through the 80s-mid 00's. Since then they have been the lesser club. They struggle to attract truly top talent and have to hope that other premier league players come good following the move, with none of them currently doing so. Perfect examples are:

1 - Nathaniel Clyne
2 - Adam Lallana
3 - Rickie Lambert
4 - Dejan Lovren
5 - Mario Balotelli
6 - James Milner
7 - Danny Ings
8 - Christian Benteke
9 - Simon Mignolet

We will see if Sadio Mane & Wijnaldum join that list!!

Let's not go all RAWK ourselves here, listing the very decent Clyne with an utter flop like Balotelli, isn't right. Futhermore they have a good coach in Klopp, and I find it hard to imagine that they won't have a better season this, than last. That said, we are more than on par with them. We shouldn't kid ourselves though, it'll be a very tough PL season this one.
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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Aug 20, 2013
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Liverpool will challenge us this season, to dismiss them as deluded is a mistake, this will be a tough year.
We're good enough though.
Copied and pasted from every year. They have absolutely nothing defensively that makes them a good team, Clyne is decent but rest are pub league. This website has a remarkable fear of Liverpool that always appears this time of year only to disappear again by Christmas
 

Lilbaz

Just call me Baz
Apr 1, 2005
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Copied and pasted from every year. They have absolutely nothing defensively that makes them a good team, Clyne is decent but rest are pub league. This website has a remarkable fear of Liverpool that always appears this time of year only to disappear again by Christmas

Cause they spend big and some of our posters get envious. Many on here love to panic.
 

VoteMe4Prez

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Oct 6, 2013
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Has anyone been listening to Paddy Barclay on TalkSport with Saggers tonight? He feels we are going to finish above Woolwich, the bin dippers and Chelski. Stronger squad unity and great manager will see us into the top 4 again as far as he is concerned.
 

Col_M

Pointing out the Obvious
Feb 28, 2012
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Has anyone been listening to Paddy Barclay on TalkSport with Saggers tonight? He feels we are going to finish above Woolwich, the bin dippers and Chelski. Stronger squad unity and great manager will see us into the top 4 again as far as he is concerned.

You know that's the radio equivilant of click bait ? Wind up the gullible so and wait for them to call in
 

Snarfalicious

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Jul 15, 2012
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Liverpool are legit and must be taken seriously. But it's how they totally disregard us when on the whole we've been much more relevant in recent years is what really rubs me the wrong way.
 

Xeeleeyid

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Aug 4, 2012
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Liverpool are legit and must be taken seriously. But it's how they totally disregard us when on the whole we've been much more relevant in recent years is what really rubs me the wrong way.

They disregard everyone at this time of year though. Check out the Red Cafe Scouser Boom Bust Cycle chart or actually their thread entitled RAWK meltdown. It is hilarious.

Liverpool the team under Klopp shouldn't be discounted but the club and particularly their fans are a joke.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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Better manager is highly debatable considering their respective careers.

Perhaps 'better manager' is the wrong way to put it, a little clumsy maybe.

Klopp achieved a hell of a lot, relatively, at arguably the second best team in Germany, where his resources and pull were considerably less than the major rivals.

On the other hand, I know what @Danny1 is getting at: Liverpool have signed a pretty good manager who was proven in Germany but from the hysteria surrounding his signing you would think Liverpool had signed the goose that lays the golden egg, who was absolutely guaranteed success. They haven't.

The BPL era is littered with big name, big rep managers arrived in England from other European leagues - and who have been totally thrown by the intensity and competition in this league. There is always a debate about whether the BPL is better than, say, the Spanish league. It probably isn't, but it is far more intense, with far less scope for relaxing. Often these leagues have two or three top teams, a few others a level below but capable of stepping up their game, and then a lot of fodder. Fodder who roll over once they go a goal or two down against a top team and the match becomes a training match. They are not used to teams like Stoke, managers like Pulis and Big Fat Sam, who just don't give a fahook who they are playing, how big, what the reputation of the manager - they are going to fight and use every piece of skulduggery they can get away with, to get a result. Even if they are three goals down with 20 minutes to go. The BPL era is littered with managers who came here with big reps and just couldn't cope with this and went by the wayside.

So far, Klopp, who has, rightly, a big reputation, has done what, exactly, in the BPL? This is a serious question. Did he take over from Rodgers and Liverpool climb up the table from where he took them over? Did he show that he could cope with the smaller teams who just would not except their place, or give in when they were down and should have, by the thinking in many Continental leagues, been down and out? I personally saw them throw seemingly unassailable leads away under Klopp. They did well to reach two cup finals, we reached one in Poch's first year, but no victories for either.

And he isn't at the second best team in Germany. He is at the fifth best financed team in England, who are in virtually every other way, behind the sixth best. He has inherited a squad that has finished higher than sixth once in the last seven seasons. They have finished lower than sixth in four of those seasons - two seventh placed finishes and two eighth.

Poch took us to 3rd (and we all know it should, really, have been second). He is in a different place in his career trajectory than Klopp - and he doesn't have the trophies in cabinet success that Klopp has. But he has shown that he can cope with BPL football, with two teams. He has shown he can improve on league positions in the BPL, with two teams. He has shown he can deal with the scrappers every bit as much as with the elite. He has shown he recognises what players need in the BPL, and that he can improve players to make them better in the BPL.

And, afaiac, a lot of the Klopp-mania is just about him joining Liverpool by folk who fail to recognise just where Liverpool stand in English football at the moment (see above). They aren't the title winning machine of yesteryear. They aren't one of Europe's elite. They are the fifth best financed team in the BPL, behind the sixth in so many ways - and their results reflect that. If he had joined Everton, or Villa (a couple of years ago), or, perhaps more appropriately ATM, Southampton, would folk be assuming that his success in Germany meant any of these clubs would just automatically leap-frog teams who have been better than them several years?

Poch isn't better than Klopp, in any objective way and he is in a different place career wise, but he is more proven in the BPL, more advanced in his project, and in possession of a better squad and youth set-up. Doesn't mean Klopp won't prove himself the better manager. Doesn't mean the Mickeys won't finish above us or be a better team. But it should mean we should be able to look forward to the competition - and with guarded optimism. Instead of wetting our collective selves (not directed at you) just because Liverpool have hired Jurgen Klopp and the Scousers have created a cult around him ('cos it's not like they ever did that with Brendan Rodgers, is it? :rolleyes: ).
 
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StartingPrice

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Well they also have more money, which is the problem. Sooner or later, if you throw enough money at a football team it will get better. That said, if we can stay ahead of them until the new stadium comes we'll be laughing.

It is true - they have more money. But the financial gap between us has halved in the last decade. What I think is more important, is that they are still a club who spend as though they should have a title challenge. IMHO, what they should have done several years ago (and I said so at the time) is to do what we did: restructure our wages, revamp our youth set-up, begin to build for sustained success. It looked, briefly like they were going to do that, until Suarez threatened to leave and they gave him Citeh-level wages. And he only stayed one year anyway. We have the team - that can't be changed - other clubs have to counter it. We have the youth set-up - that, potentially, offsets their financial advantage. And more than anything, they are a club and a fan-base who, IMHO, hamstring themselves repeatedly with an insistence that they act as though they will have a title challenge rather than actually foregoing that for a while, while building for sustained success. Because all their wishes and demands for a title challenge, based on their history, will not alter the fact that there are now four teams who can easily out-spend them.

That said, I agree, if we can stay ahead of them until the stadium is finished it will double the work they have to get to being a top club again (IMHO, of course).
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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Liverpool will challenge us this season, to dismiss them as deluded is a mistake, this will be a tough year.
We're good enough though.

Liverpool may challenge us this season - more than anything, I think there is an overwhelming feeling about the forthcoming season is one of uncertainty. The fact that they (and the Chavs) have no European competition is, to me, the biggest worry.

That said, for the reasons given above, I am looking forward to the challenge...and with guarded optimism. We have so many things, potentially, going for us, and folk should reflect on that more IMHO.
 

ExpatFan

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Has anyone been listening to Paddy Barclay on TalkSport with Saggers tonight? He feels we are going to finish above Woolwich, the bin dippers and Chelski. Stronger squad unity and great manager will see us into the top 4 again as far as he is concerned.
I've had a few drinks with Paddy in the past. Great guy. Proper journo, not a hack. Knows his football. Nice to hear what he says but you all should know that he's a big Spurs fan. So just maybe a case of rose-tinted etc. But hopefully not!
 

Lighty64

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Liverpool may challenge us this season - more than anything, I think there is an overwhelming feeling about the forthcoming season is one of uncertainty. The fact that they (and the Chavs) have no European competition is, to me, the biggest worry.

That said, for the reasons given above, I am looking forward to the challenge...and with guarded optimism. We have so many things, potentially, going for us, and folk should reflect on that more IMHO.

for the bolded reasons, and the fact that Klopp has just had his 1st pre-season and getting his fitness levels high for a pressing game, makes me believe they will do a hell of a lot better this season (hope i'm wrong as usual).

due to ground work they play their 1st 3 fixtures away, and 2 very tough one's Arsenal and us, if they pick up max points from the 1st 2, the other not easy away to Burnley, i won't be looking forward to meeting them. we might of finished above them 2 out of the last 3, but we haven't beat them on the pitch in that time, not since 2012
 
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