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Vincent Janssen signs for Spurs!

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Way I see it we have the following challenging for the four attacking roles

Kane
Janssen
N'Jie/N'Koudou
Eriksen
Lamela
Son
Onomah
Chadli
Alli
Carroll
Mason

They're very good options but I feel we're missing something. Can't quite put my finger on it and am worried I'm just being a greedy twat

missing a bonafide starting superstar AM. a hazard, a alexis sanches, a mahrez
 

Larryjanta

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missing a bonafide starting superstar AM. a hazard, a alexis sanches, a mahrez

I have high hopes for Lamela having a season like they're capable of but, yes, I agree that would be nice.

I seem to be alone in loving the balance in our CM positions but I do think the only two places we could realistically upgrade is an attacking CM and a superstar AM
 

millsey

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I have high hopes for Lamela having a season like they're capable of but, yes, I agree that would be nice.

I seem to be alone in loving the balance in our CM positions but I do think the only two places we could realistically upgrade is an attacking CM and a superstar AM
Where does Ali play with a superstar AM? Where does Jansen play? We ain't buying one, and we don't need one. Patience with this squad. I also don't think we need any CM. Hard enough to get Dembele, Wanyama and Dier enough time
 

CJMurray

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Where does Ali play with a superstar AM? Where does Jansen play? We ain't buying one, and we don't need one. Patience with this squad. I also don't think we need any CM. Hard enough to get Dembele, Wanyama and Dier enough time

We need to improve our attacking midfield if we want to challenge for the league. We've got no creative options other than Lamela and Eriksen. Don't bother worrying about Alli and Janssen, they'd see plenty of game time.

We need impact players on our bench which is why I don't get why so many people are advocating shoehorning Janssen into our first team. We do that then we're back to having no strikers on the bench.
 

thebenjamin

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Way I see it we have the following challenging for the four attacking roles

Kane
Janssen
N'Jie/N'Koudou
Eriksen
Lamela
Son
Onomah
Chadli
Alli
Carroll
Mason

They're very good options but I feel we're missing something. Can't quite put my finger on it and am worried I'm just being a greedy twat

Someone who can beat players in tight spaces, pace and trickery on the dribble is what we're missing. NKD doesn't look to be that either, he's a wide player but seems more of a ball carrier, and his touch doesn't look all that.

Admittedly those players are hard to find but to me that is the obvious deficiency in our 1st team and I'm a bit shocked we haven't gone all out to sign a real quality wide forward. Arjen Robben would be the exact type if one was in dreamland.
 

thebenjamin

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I have high hopes for Lamela having a season like they're capable of but, yes, I agree that would be nice.

I seem to be alone in loving the balance in our CM positions but I do think the only two places we could realistically upgrade is an attacking CM and a superstar AM

Cracking player though Lamela is, he just does't have the pace to be that kind player who beats people. He's got next to no acceleration.We definitely are lacking in that area.
 

diamond lights

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So a player who has proven to be one of the best centre forwards in europe over the last couple of seasons hasn't been playing in his best position?

Okay then.
Absolutely. As I said I think his best position is as a number 10. It's not as if I'm saying he should play in goal. It's a slight variation in role which will give him more freedom to use his whole game.
Sheringham was an out and out striker as a young player and was top class but as his career progressed he became more of a ten and found it to be his best position. Both positions are forwards just one is slightly more withdrawn and Kane's attributes match perfectly.
I think Poch believes it too. Both last season and this any chance he has had to play him as a second striker or 10 he has done so.
 

Luka Van der Bale

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Absolutely. As I said I think his best position is as a number 10. It's not as if I'm saying he should play in goal. It's a slight variation in role which will give him more freedom to use his whole game.
Sheringham was an out and out striker as a young player and was top class but as his career progressed he became more of a ten and found it to be his best position. Both positions are forwards just one is slightly more withdrawn and Kane's attributes match perfectly.
I think Poch believes it too. Both last season and this any chance he has had to play him as a second striker or 10 he has done so.
Whether you agree with this or not lads, I'm pretty sure Poch does.
 

Colonel_Klinck

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I'd love to see a game changing AM but this squad is the happiest I've been with for a long time. Great defence, strong midfield and now two strikers. A wizard AM would be the icing on the cake.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Absolutely. As I said I think his best position is as a number 10. It's not as if I'm saying he should play in goal. It's a slight variation in role which will give him more freedom to use his whole game.
Sheringham was an out and out striker as a young player and was top class but as his career progressed he became more of a ten and found it to be his best position. Both positions are forwards just one is slightly more withdrawn and Kane's attributes match perfectly.
I think Poch believes it too. Both last season and this any chance he has had to play him as a second striker or 10 he has done so.

I don't agree. He's been one of the most potent goalscorers in world football over the last couple of seasons. His value to the team is providing a focal point and finishing chances, not creating them for others.

He can do a job as a number 10 but his true qualities and therefore much of his effectiveness for the team is blunted. We have players who are specialist number 10's and fulfill the remit of the position much more adeptly than Kane.

It good to have the option of playing both strikers together at times, as Poch has commented but overall I would rather keep Kane, as one of the best young centre forwards in world football, in his most effective position. We can rotate Janssen in and out of the team when is required.
 

TwanYid

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I don't agree. He's been one of the most potent goalscorers in world football over the last couple of seasons. His value to the team is providing a focal point and finishing chances, not creating them for others.

He can do a job as a number 10 but his true qualities and therefore much of his effectiveness for the team is blunted. We have players who are specialist number 10's and fulfill the remit of the position much more adeptly than Kane.

It good to have the option of playing both strikers together at times, as Poch has commented but overall I would rather keep Kane, as one of the best young centre forwards in world football, in his most effective position. We can rotate Janssen in and out of the team when is required.

Couldn't agree more. A 10 is a smallish guy who looks to pass first and score second, like a Van der Vaart or an Eriksen.

He can play there for stretches to fuck with the oppositions' heads, but in no way, shape or form is Harry Kane a natural number 10. Dude is a born number 9.
 

Blaugrana

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Couldn't agree more. A 10 is a smallish guy who looks to pass first and score second, like a Van der Vaart or an Eriksen.

He can play there for stretches to fuck with the oppositions' heads, but in no way, shape or form is Harry Kane a natural number 10. Dude is a born number 9.

Not that I disagree with the notion that his best position is as a number 9 but not all players who play behind the striker have to be like that. Players like Rooney, Muller and Griezmann have thrived playing withdrawn behind the striker whilst being primarily goalscorers rather than creators and I guess that's the idea Poch has with Kane. I don't think he'll play him there for tougher matches but in recent years it's often been cried for on here to play a 4-4-2 against smaller teams at home, I guess experimenting with Kane in this role is his way of getting the extra striker on the pitch whilst not completely moving to a flat 442.
 

Jamturk

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From what I saw from the Palace match Kane had numerous chances to score and created abundantly for others, he can be a great no10.

Players without pace develop a passing creative teamwork game and you can clearly see this is the case with Harry, on top of this he has immense shooting power from outside the box and a good sense of space.
 

Syn_13

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I think Poch is handling it right at the moment. Without Dembele our midfield has a little less drive to get that ball forward. Wanyama and Dier are good but too defensive when paired together. He's dropping Kane to give more of a threat going forward. Also, because Alli and Eriksen are both not at their best right now.

This is a great way for the new boy Janssen to get some game time and get used to playing with Kane. Kane is, and should be, our #9, but he's smart enough and fit enough to drop into an attacking midfield role. He'll get goals even from there. I don't think this is a permanent measure. It's going to become Poch's alternative to just sticking with a more rigid 4-2-3-1.

It does highlight how much of a bloody moron Woy was for playing Vardy and Kane together in this same way, having Kane drop to #10.
 

DJS

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We need to improve our attacking midfield if we want to challenge for the league. We've got no creative options other than Lamela and Eriksen. Don't bother worrying about Alli and Janssen, they'd see plenty of game time.

We need impact players on our bench which is why I don't get why so many people are advocating shoehorning Janssen into our first team. We do that then we're back to having no strikers on the bench.

Harrison :love:
 

NEVILLEB

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I don't agree. He's been one of the most potent goalscorers in world football over the last couple of seasons. His value to the team is providing a focal point and finishing chances, not creating them for others.

He can do a job as a number 10 but his true qualities and therefore much of his effectiveness for the team is blunted. We have players who are specialist number 10's and fulfill the remit of the position much more adeptly than Kane.

It good to have the option of playing both strikers together at times, as Poch has commented but overall I would rather keep Kane, as one of the best young centre forwards in world football, in his most effective position. We can rotate Janssen in and out of the team when is required.

We don't know how good Kane can be as a 10 yet. What if he scores more this season?
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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We don't know how good Kane can be as a 10 yet. What if he scores more this season?

What if he doesn't? and his own form and confidence suffer as a result.

He has proven himself as one of the best young number 9's around, I think he deserves to play in a position that suit his strengths rather than being shunted around to accommodate another less experienced player. Especially when we have specialist number 10's such as Eriksen who will be better in the position than Kane could ever be.
 
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