Premier League 2016/17

Hazardousman · Jan 22, 2017

tiger666 said:
I agree entirely. I don't agree that it's all a huge conspiracy.

I didn't say it was a "huge conspiracy" I said I believe that some corruption exists within this league with particular individuals, I think some ref's are afraid of making decisions against the bigger sides and some feel under pressure to make decisions they disagree with,.

I also believe that the bigger sides get the better roll of the dice.

All of the above could be completely dismissed I agree but one thing that cannot be dismissed is that the level of incompetence shown from officials in this league is embarrassing, they clearly aren't capable of doing their jobs to the best of their abilities when things like this are happening on a regular basis and these issues could be removed with technology that we have available, do people want a "purist" game or a fair game?

If you did some research into this rather than just making assumptions that this league is impenetrable from corruption or biased behavior or incompetence then you may sympathize with my concerns more.

Maxtremist · Jan 22, 2017

Marty said:
All teams get some decisions their way. None in recent memory have got as many late decisions their way as Arse this season. Both games v Burnley, home v Southampton and several more.

Mike Dean with us, the amount of penalties we've got this season etc...
I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong but maybe we just care/notice more cause they're our rivals?

Spurrific · Jan 22, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
Neither of their goals followed officiating as shit as that which preceded our equaliser.

I think Sane catching the ball and throwing it into the goal whilst yelling "Kobe" was the worst.

jonathanhotspur · Jan 22, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
Neither of their goals followed officiating as shit as that which preceded our equaliser.

I think it's fair to say that we merit the vast majority of our victories, whatever about the Gooners.

DIEHARD · Jan 22, 2017

Spurrific said:
Oh yeah, I don't think it's a coordinated thing - I just think officials have been particularly awful this season.

Never heard of it, no. But for what is meant to be the top league in the world, we shouldn't have fat numpties like John Moss taking charge of games.

You should check it out dude, it's not the best and the greatest football team went out of it with a whimper but they'll be back in it next season

Danners9 · Jan 22, 2017

Maxtremist said:
I'm not saying it's great but how many of the people complaining about the quality of refereeing here watch other leagues on a regular basis? (Not saying you don't, just genuinely curious)

A Romanian friend says their refs are dreadful, but just said the English ones are worse - and they had Michael Oliver in an EL game recently. Europa League is usually the worst, though... really bad.

The Aussie A-League refs frequently ruin games with stupid decisions. The ex-player co-comm lays into them about it.

Hazardousman · Jan 22, 2017

tiger666 said:
If it's all a conspiracy, video officiating won't help will it?

I never said it was a conspiracy. And vide officiating would remove any doubt of corruption, it would take away the decisions from the refs and human error and allow for accurate decisions to be made.

Rocksuperstar · Jan 22, 2017

Hazardousman said:
I have yet to see you make a counterargument that is anything other than an insult.

I have to ask how someone proves something is not happening? You can't really gather statistics to prove normalcy, the weight of proof really is kinda only with proving that there is something spurious going on, by comparing it to what is considered normal.

Who knows, if you do the math, there might be some statistical backup for your claims of corruption, but even if there is a bias toward particular results against particular teams from particular refs, there is still the chance, no matter how tiny, that it could just be a coincidence. Or an unconscious bias, which i suppose could also be a possibility (i dunno, someone has an irrational love of red or something, who knows, humans are weird) and that leads them to favor red teams?

We need a psychologist, a mathematician, a statistician, a separate thread and an application form for a grant from a university for the study.

Bagsy not me, too lazy and don't care enough.

YiddoTom90 · Jan 22, 2017

Colonel_Klinck said:
We got away with it yesterday. They did today. Shit happens guys. It's part of what makes it such an amazing game. Sometimes it goes for you, sometimes against.

happened once with us and about 20 for arsenal, they robbed 4 points of burnley alone

ohtottenham! · Jan 22, 2017

The game's outpaced the officiating capabilities. Refs and linesmen need help.

Bus-Conductor · Jan 22, 2017

Marty said:
All teams get some decisions their way. None in recent memory have got as many late decisions their way as Arse this season. Both games v Burnley, home v Southampton and several more.

It was a very very marginal offside and it was a pen, hardly major controversy

Hazardousman · Jan 22, 2017

Maxtremist said:
I'm not saying it's great but how many of the people complaining about the quality of refereeing here watch other leagues on a regular basis? (Not saying you don't, just genuinely curious)

Do we think it's worse here cause that's what we see week in and week out?

Same with the bias. Is it cause those are the games and moments we pay attention to more?

As a sport I'll agree that football needs to up its game though. We've been living in a technical world for ages so the fact football hasn't fully caught up yet is mental. It leaves too much to human error which is what it tends to be (not corruption... I mean come on. Really?)

Well as someone who watches European football on a semi-regular basis I can say the standard of refs is much higher than in this league.

I mean, even in our champions league and EL games they are better in general.

Danners9 · Jan 22, 2017

ohtottenham! said:
The game's outpaced the officiating capabilities. Refs and linesmen need help.

they'd benefit from a background in actually playing the game, instead of knowing the rules but not the realities of the game (same goes for FIFA and other suits - get more ex-players involved). Otherwise they are too slow and under way too much pressure. Video would help if the 4th official could watch it and relay, rather than rely on it.

mark87 · Jan 22, 2017

Bus-Conductor said:
It was a very very marginal offside and it was a pen, hardly major controversy

ITS A FUCKING CONSPIRACY, BC!!

ARRGGHHHHH!!!!!!

But it was still offside

Shadydan · Jan 22, 2017

Hazardousman said:
Why wouldn't I mate? Should we just accept it? Football needs video officiating the sooner it gets it the better, just because people want to live in the past and keep the "purity" of the the game doesn't make that a less legitimate argument.

It's embarrassing that shit like this is happening, biased, corruption, incompetence, take your pick, it could all be avoided and yet we allow it to continue.

Do you think bringing it up at every opportunity is going to change anything though?

You sound like one of those Illuminati confirmed guys on YouTube, even though you may have a case on some quaters, constant harping on about conspiracies is cringe worthy.

glacierSpurs · Jan 22, 2017

jonathanhotspur said:
I think it's safe to say that that Arsenal team is far too flawed to win the league. Serial underachievers, IMO.

I wanted them to drop out of top 4 for ages.. Just somehow, they can scrape through.. The Wenger-factor is keeping them possible of all else however flawed they can seem..

Bus-Conductor · Jan 22, 2017

jonathanhotspur said:
I think it's fair to say that we merit the vast majority of our victories, whatever about the Gooners.

I'm not really sure what your last line means?

Do you not think Arsenal's luck is also as a result of them invariably dominating games and puttiing pressure on teams ?

Rocksuperstar · Jan 22, 2017

ohtottenham! said:
The game's outpaced the officiating capabilities. Refs and linesmen need help.

I disagree - it's the demand for exact, perfect, faultless decisions that has taken the game away from refs. Part of refereeing is opinion, people want the human perspective taken away and an unbreakable set of rules enforced to make things "fair".

It won't, it'll just lead to teams and players trying to find ways to subvert the rules, the game becoming micro managed and it will become a pedantic nightmare. Sure, refs aren't perfect, but do we really want to remove luck, opinion and any sense from refereeing?

If refereeing was done to the numbers by computer, games like us against Chelsea last year, where the ref tries to let a few challenges go because of the occasion or whatever - that would be over, called off before half time. Nah, not for me. I'd rather talk about a poor ref decision than a game ruined by over-officiating any day.

dirtyh · Jan 22, 2017

Costas 2 or 3 missed second yellows that were game changers
Rojo should have gone 2 weeks in a row, again game changers. West hams red against them, game changer.
Arsenal X 2 burnley, Southampton snd basically whenever they need digging out of a hole against a team outside the top 10
Yes we get the odd decision but it's a bit simplistic to say the officials are just fucking useless. The sky 4 bias has been in place for years and yet we're discussing the same old shit season after season. Anyone who says there isn't an element of bias for the top teams doesn't watch a lot of football

Danners9 · Jan 22, 2017

Oliver Kay ‏@OliverKayTimes 2m2 minutes ago
Wenger admits he pushed the fourth official: "I regret everything. I should have shut up and gone home. I apologise for that"

Ban? or 'aww, there, there, just don't do it again..'

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