Japhet
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Ha! Thought I'd scrapped that post since, when I thought about it, it went round in circles and disappeared up its' own arse!
Ex-Player Watch Player Watch: Kyle Walker
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Ha! Thought I'd scrapped that post since, when I thought about it, it went round in circles and disappeared up its' own arse!
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Daft? No. Hindsight does suggest it was a tad foolhardy, however.
I suspect maybe @longtimespur has the right of it - maybe Walker was giving off mixed messages, he wants to stay, his mind hasn't been turned, he can still be relied upon, etc., while at the same time he wants a mega-buck payday whether with us, Citeh or someone else and will we match it, and being off it (for want of a better expression) in training. Maybe Poch, basically, said okay, show me. And Walker didn't really - he wasn't uniquely bad at so called London Stadium, but he did seem distracted.
I think the important thing, as someone said above, is that Poch is creating a proper team - and players have to show that they want to be a part of it.
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Selling to city simply isn't an option as far as I'm concerned. It'd be a stupid decision. He can go abroad otherwise he'll have to be told he can't leave.
At the end of the day it's bad enough if he goes abroad as we'll lose the best RB in the league (who we won't be able to adequately replace) if he goes to City we weaken ourselves and strengthen our rivals by giving them the best RB in the league. It'd be a fucking braindead move on our part if he goes there and I won't be happy so Levy and Co have been warned. There will be a reckoning.
At the end of the day it's bad enough if he goes abroad as we'll lose the best RB in the league (who we won't be able to adequately replace) if he goes to City we weaken ourselves and strengthen our rivals by giving them the best RB in the league. It'd be a fucking braindead move on our part if he goes there and I won't be happy so Levy and Co have been warned. There will be a reckoning.
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Truth is, Walker will never be as good as he is under Pochettino. Take him out of the system and insert him into any other team in the PL, and we'll have a RB to attack when we face the team in question. If he has to go and it ends up being within PL, I wouldn't be too worried. Most especially we fetch a really grand fee.
In truth, this is part of why we signed Pochettino. Build a strong team unit making every individual piece look better than it really is (the whole is greater than the sum of its parts), sell one or two pieces of the unit for an inflated price, and once moved, the player in question will never look the same again.
In truth, this is part of why we signed Pochettino. Build a strong team unit making every individual piece look better than it really is (the whole is greater than the sum of its parts), sell one or two pieces of the unit for an inflated price, and once moved, the player in question will never look the same again.
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thekneaf
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People need only look at who fulfils the FB roles for England over the last few years. They are the players currently playing under Poch.
Whether or not Walker wants to leave is speculation. However, I think that whoever is playing RB for us next season will be in with a very very good shout for starting for England at the WC. Their form, under Poch, will make them the top candidate.
Whether or not Walker wants to leave is speculation. However, I think that whoever is playing RB for us next season will be in with a very very good shout for starting for England at the WC. Their form, under Poch, will make them the top candidate.
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It's obvious that there are some rassclarts on here who never rated him but at the same time they can't ignore that he's the best in the league so now they're trying to spin it that we won't miss him. Listen up Bumbaclots you didn't know what you were talking about then and you definitely don't now. It must be a conincidence that he's been England's number 1 for donkeys, widely agreed by pundits as being the best and is now sought after by one of the best managers in the world. He's in his prime, he's the best and we're apparently considering selling him to City. Fucking joke if we do.
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@Tucker & co
Apart from anything else, if the alternative version is true and this was all initiated by Walker, and had nothing to do with him being dropped for Chelsea cup game etc, wouldn't you be fucking pissed off with the twerp for doing it at such a crucial time in our best season for 50 odd years ?
He's also been piss poor in two vital games since then. So all in all, pretty fucking stupid and selfish and costly to his team mates and this club.
Apart from anything else, if the alternative version is true and this was all initiated by Walker, and had nothing to do with him being dropped for Chelsea cup game etc, wouldn't you be fucking pissed off with the twerp for doing it at such a crucial time in our best season for 50 odd years ?
He's also been piss poor in two vital games since then. So all in all, pretty fucking stupid and selfish and costly to his team mates and this club.
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He is a great player, the best right back in the PL. That is why everyone wants him. Let's keep him because otherwise we will be worse and one of our rivals better.
Would we survive without him? Of course but it isnt about that but making every little improvement we can and avoiding any downgrade.
Adam Smith is mentioned now. A good player but a massive downgrade on Walker. Do you see headlines about City and United chasing Smith?
Would we survive without him? Of course but it isnt about that but making every little improvement we can and avoiding any downgrade.
Adam Smith is mentioned now. A good player but a massive downgrade on Walker. Do you see headlines about City and United chasing Smith?
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winner for the use of "rassclarts"
Gb160
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We're not eating from the same menu as City and United mate.
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Obvious that there are some major bumbaseeds who have always over rated him who are now trying to spin this as a catastrophe it isn't.
Being England's number one is pretty moot isn't it? And it's not like he has been for "donkeys" either. One tournament at most, and how great that worked out didn't it, second in the group and knocked out by fucking Iceland ? Xabi Dier is England's number one DM right now. Cahill England's number one CB. Hart England's number one goalie. All those say more about the lack of quality in their positions the about the players. Plenty of pundits have been saying they can understand why we might let him go because Trippier is better as a LWB which is how we play. Just read some decent papers or listen to the Times or Guardian podcasts.
And the idiot has a fucking meltdown at the biggest moment this club's had for decades. That's the fucking joke, that there are still people wetting the bed a about him going.
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This is correct. They are eating off the A La Carte menu and we get to take home the leftovers in a doggie bag.
Lucky that Poch is a master-chef and can make the leftovers into a Michelin star meal..
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I don't think it's moot at all. England have been shit for half a century, that doesn't mean they don't produce good players. Fact remains, as evidenced by his consistent selection for England, that he's the best in the country. Furthermore he's the best in the league and considerably better than Trippier who can't get into the England set up even when he only really has Clyne in front of him.
How do you explain Pep going after him? Surely you'd recognise that he knows a thing or 2?
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Can't disagree with that. Trippier put in the best RB performance of the season against Arsenal, put Sanchez in his pocket and offered an attacking threat to boot. On purely footballing terms Trippier is very much up there now although Poch seems to improve every full back. So the threat of Walker leaving isn't a scary one like that of say Kane or Alli.
From a moral view point the timing is shit and I can understand Poch being pissed if the ITK/media speculation is true. id imagine if Dele did this our approach would be different but Walker is more expendable.
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How can he be gone if we haven't agreed a fee?
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i expect a daily mail exclusive within the hour.
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Now it's fucking UTD. Fucks sake. Why don't we get Arsenal and Chelsea involved see who he prefers. We could get a bidding war on the go.
Joking aside, I wouldn't even be happy if we got £70m for him and we're not getting that, obviously.
If all the ITK is correct and he goes up north we'll deal at around £50m which would be heartbreaking. I just hope he's shit for city and Trippier improves being the new number 1 but it's more likely that City will win the league and we'll be worse off.
Joking aside, I wouldn't even be happy if we got £70m for him and we're not getting that, obviously.
If all the ITK is correct and he goes up north we'll deal at around £50m which would be heartbreaking. I just hope he's shit for city and Trippier improves being the new number 1 but it's more likely that City will win the league and we'll be worse off.
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My guess is his head has been turned and he has decided now is the time to go. No points in clubs discussing a fee is the player isn't interested.
In general I am against selling our players to rivals but Poch has to read the situation.
Walker is at a point where his selling value is at a premium level. We are in a strong postion as we are strong if we keep him but if rumours are true that KWP is rated highly and ready to start integrating into the squad then we are covered strongly in the right full back postion.
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Firstly, it hasn't been consistent, he didn't even play all the qualifying or tournament games of the last tournament and none of the last World Cup. It doesn't automatically make him the best in the country, it might make him the best English player in his position in the country at best, and that is why it's moot, because being that doesn't automatically make him great, and as we've seen for 6 years before Poch got here and plenty of games since, he isn't always great.
With regards to Trippier, why don't we see how that pans out if he's actually given a consistent run of games for us, because I have a feeling he may start challenging Walker for the England place that Clyne (and that's how moot being England number one is right now) has been challenging him for for the last couple of years.
If Guardiola's after him then it's because, like a lot of people, he rates him as one of the best RB's in this league, a player who he thinks will be able to play in his system, and that's fine, I can understand that, doesn't mean it alters my opinion that Walker has flaws and that I believe in Trippier we have a player who is perfectly capable of performing as well as Walker, and in KWP we have a player who will one day be better.
Walker may work out well for Gaurdiola, he's done well for Poch, but that doesn't mean him leaving us will be a disaster because I don't think Gaurdiola will eradicate all his flaws either and I think 50m + Trippier + KWP means we could well end up ahead on the deal.
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