JUSTINSIGNAL
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Agree. In fact what most people in this thread fail to recognise is that Son is more likely to deputise for Kane, therefore making Janssen third choice
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Agree. In fact what most people in this thread fail to recognise is that Son is more likely to deputise for Kane, therefore making Janssen third choice
For me the issue is that Kane will cause most teams problems as he is one of the top strikers in world football. I don't think we can label one player as Kane's replacement (if we had 2 of them, one would have left for more wages and game time!)
I feel that Jansen has his place against teams where the defenders need to be bullied a bit, he did link up well providing some assists in some games and don't underestimate a striker who can take a penalty (Defoe and Keane used to be a bit hit and miss). I think a combination of Jansen, son and someone like King could between them (in Kane's absence) provide goals and assists against the different types of opposition that we will face over the course of a season.
I feel that Jansen has his place against teams where the defenders need to be bullied a bit, he did link up well providing some assists in some games and don't underestimate a striker who can take a penalty (Defoe and Keane used to be a bit hit and miss). I think a combination of Jansen, son and someone like King could between them (in Kane's absence) provide goals and assists against the different types of opposition that we will face over the course of a season.
Perhaps, but Son is better as one of the AMs.
Also, it's a World Cup year, so Janssen is going to want to play more than a third choice striker would.
JJ hasn't dismissed the Josh King rumours and, if we were to sign him, I suspect Janssen would be on his way.
Everlasting Seconds
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Quite so, but one of the things that I see in Janssen is that he has an ability to be a link between team mates and an eye for great passes. This is what Harry Kane doesn't do. Compared to Son, Janssen is more of a powerhouse. So what I think they wanted to try out more often last season ended up not doing that much, but what can be done this season, is fielding Janssen and Kane or Janssen and Son at the same time.
To continue on that note, Janssen is young, he has now the full 12 months with the squad and with the methods, and he seems to be very much bonding with the Belgians in the squad. So all in all, I'm hopeful on his behalf, I don't desire for the club to to splash out 30M on some project, when we already have a an existing project that's still a great work in progress.
Everlasting Seconds
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I love a good flavour of the month. Nothing like fantasising about splashing out 25M-30M on the latest football icon, and about how that will take us places. He has had a full 5 months of decent football in his entire career, now I can't live without him.
And Janssen has had one good season in Holland.
I hope VJ starts showing signs of Poch second season improvement, and I'm certainly not fantasising about splashing out £25-30 million on a player like Josh King.
But as per my post linked below, I believe Poch will be watching Janssen's pre-season performances closely.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/vincent-janssen.128807/page-17#post-5528356
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If you think Jansen is the best we can get then we might as well wave the white flag before the season starts
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That's a lie though, isn't it? He has had several good seasons in Holland.
Furthermore, King and Janssen have the same amount of goals for their respective countries, but guess which of them has twice as many starts than the other.
A lie?
We signed Janssen after one season in the Dutch top flight for AZ.
If you go back and read the quotes of a lot of the Dutch pundits - Gullit & co - when he joined us, they talked about how he'd only had a single season in the Eredivisie, and it was a massive step from there to the EPL.
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But you wrote "in Holland". He has had more great seasons "in Holland" – in other Dutch leagues. Rather that over a guy who was utterly mundane seasons in the 2nd highest English league.A lie?
We signed Janssen after one season in the Dutch top flight for AZ.
If you go back and read the quotes of a lot of the Dutch pundits - Gullit & co - when he joined us, they talked about how he'd only had a single season in the Eredivisie, and it was a massive step from there to the EPL.
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And who should we get?
People keep saying we can get someone in, but for the life of me, I can't think of one player who
a) would be willing to play, lets be honest, not all that often
b) would cost presumably around 30 million but still
c) not want over 100,000 quid a week in wages all the while
d) being proven as a goalscorer in the premier league or other top european league.
Who is this player?!?!
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Janssen's senior career is: 2 seasons at Almere City in the Eerste Division (69 apps, 29 goals), 1 season with AZ in the Eredivisie (34 apps, 27 goals), and 1 season at Spurs.
And at AZ, 20 of his goals came in the second half of the season. So basically, he'd had two decent seasons in a lower league and one very good half season in the Dutch top flight when we signed him.
He only links well with his team mates because he plays the whole game with has back to goal IMO
He has good strength but because of his lack of pace or movement in being able to make space for himself and get shots away gravitates towards the defender, backs in and then yes is nicely placed to make a lay off but at the expense of him offering a direct threat. If he offered 10-15 goals a season and his link up play together he would be great but based on what we have season his goal contribution potential is single figures so he ends up being a Kevin Davies lite type of player
Harry does link up nicely I think outside of the box but is typically facing up to goal and in the box only thinking about getting into a position to get on the scoresheet
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There are many options that are an improvement over Jansen that will provide effective cover and not cost the so called millions you are quoting.
I can't name who but there are alternatives that we need to explore
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Congratulations on proving Doctor M's point.
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There isn't anyone. The best chance for us to achieve anything is Kane staying fit all season.
We're obviously not going to pay a backup stupid money so they're ok being backup. We're not going to spend what would likely in current market be £40-50m on what you'd call a proven striker. No proven striker would ever sign for us to be clearly Kanes backup.
Only thing we can do is sign half proven strikers, King being an example and likely the best we could hope for or we sign a young striker with potential, like Janssen. Even the young strikers with potential prices are sky rocketing too with there not being a huge amount of proven strikers out there in Europe.
I don't understand this mentality that's there a plethora of proven strikers about. All got to do is look at list of top scoring strikers in top leagues across last two years, all of them either are at a big club or competely unattainable due to what I said in second paragraph.
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The striker situation is very similar to fish 'n' chips:
Alt. 1, A very costly filet of the best English sole, lightly brushed in truffles and with leaves of gold in the batter. It's just randomly handed to you, something others would pay the very highest price for. That's Harry Kane.
Alt. 2, An independent chip shop with fresh catch of the day from Cornwall. Employs EU workers to keep cost down, and produces a fairly satisfying fish 'n' chips. Though the chips are fried in beef fat, it's not the kind of place that keeps you awake at night from longing. But you are happy to bring friends there and have a good night out at a bargain price. That's Janssen.
Alt. 3, Norwegian salmon, not really battered but breaded, offered in the freezer department of M&S food, alongside pre-made chips. It doesn't look satisfying, but you've very recently, during a restricted period this very spring, discovered that you liked salmon and you think, why not give it a go? Everybody keeps talking about salmon! You are sure that if you just take it home, your mum can turn it into an award worthy meal. Somehow, the total price at M&S is twice the price of a freshly made meal at the fish shop, but com'on. You just have to have your new favourite that you didn't even know about last year – salmon. That's Joshua King.
Alt. 1, A very costly filet of the best English sole, lightly brushed in truffles and with leaves of gold in the batter. It's just randomly handed to you, something others would pay the very highest price for. That's Harry Kane.
Alt. 2, An independent chip shop with fresh catch of the day from Cornwall. Employs EU workers to keep cost down, and produces a fairly satisfying fish 'n' chips. Though the chips are fried in beef fat, it's not the kind of place that keeps you awake at night from longing. But you are happy to bring friends there and have a good night out at a bargain price. That's Janssen.
Alt. 3, Norwegian salmon, not really battered but breaded, offered in the freezer department of M&S food, alongside pre-made chips. It doesn't look satisfying, but you've very recently, during a restricted period this very spring, discovered that you liked salmon and you think, why not give it a go? Everybody keeps talking about salmon! You are sure that if you just take it home, your mum can turn it into an award worthy meal. Somehow, the total price at M&S is twice the price of a freshly made meal at the fish shop, but com'on. You just have to have your new favourite that you didn't even know about last year – salmon. That's Joshua King.
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Consider the fact that we sold Kyle Walker to Man City for £50m because it is generally regarded we have enough cover in that position. Now compare that to Morata signing for Chelsea for just £60m despite the fact that they already have Michy Batshuayi as their main attacker. He is willing to come to the club and fight for the top striker role and cost a mere £10m more than the Walker sale. Are you seriously telling me that Janssen is 'the best of a bad lot' and we keep him in the squad simply because he's willing to warm his arse on the substitutes bench if Harry is available ??.
We are facing the most demanding season in a long, long, time with a new ground, serious title challenge and the CPL to look forward to. There just isn't room for passengers. It's not a question of liking or hating it's simple facts...we cannot afford to have the likes of Vincent or Sissoko in our squad because they provide absolutely nothing in the way of cover or that something extra when coming on as a substitute. There are many on here who say 'give him one more season' but what happens if he is still found wanting and doesn't suddenly emerge as the beautiful swan from the ugly duckling he is now ?. We will face yet another season keeping everything crossed that nothing serious happens to Harry and he continues his golden goal scoring vein. Then Vincent will be worth about £5m and let out on loan somewhere.
I spoke about Josh King who I firmly believe under the guidance of Poch and integration into the current first team squad could prove to be an absolute bargain. People quote his current scoring stats but that is where he is playing now and the class of players around him. Anybody remember a guy called Thierry Henri and his evolvement into a world class striker ??.
To say nobody wants to play second fiddle to Harry Kane is just not true...there are young strikers out there who would give their eye teeth to have an opportunity at Spurs to give Harry a run for his money and isn't that a good thing ?. There should be no automatic choices for a first team place...everyone should feel someone breathing down their necks just to give them that 'edge'.
My views may not be shared by all but we cannot keep adopting the doctrine "In Harry We Trust"....he needs support and competition for his place and Mr Janssen just isn't the guy to offer that (in my opinion). I believe totally in our managerial set up and the quality of our current squad except for this Achilles heel we have in the striker department.
Morata did not join Chelsea thinking he would just walk into the striker's role but he was willing to try for just £60m....was that really too much of a gamble for Spurs to make ??. When you say 'who else' and 'who would you pick' please do not insinuate we are in a one way street signposted "Janssen" and have no other possible options.
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Krule
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Nice to be able to rate someone's opinion....so let's see your choices of a Janssen replacement.
gilzeantheking
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Sweech
who thought Josh King was 'funny' and Mister Jez who 'disagreed'
...or do you believe there just isn't one ?
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I'm glad to know that you can both read and relay statistics. Then surely, you would also know that this is better than a player who is older, has also played both in the highest and second highest division, and out of all those seasons on various levels still has only made 4-5 months of something close to decent. If I've said to you in December, let's pay 30M for King, you'd call me barking mad. He simply hasn't transformed into this must-have world beater. We've got what we need for striker position in the squad already. Let's see it through.
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