Ross Barkley

TheAmerican · Jul 26, 2017

Trix said:
Don't know about that. Pretty sure there are players on that list that we haven't heard about yet. All JJ has done is confirm we have varying degree's of interest in the few you mentioned because the press have caught wind and are running stories on them. None of those players fit with his Ice cream hints for instance.

I could see one being Federico Chiesa (Fiorentina). He fits the italian link, Rob's having to google him but being impressed (very skillful and there are quite a few nice compilation videos of him), and it fit's the recent right-side attacking itk. Plus he fits our age and potential model (and can play across the front three), and has been linked with moves to both Napoli and Liverpool after really impressing at the U21 world cup (which we supposedly also scouted heavily).

tommyt · Jul 26, 2017

[email protected] said:
Honestly mate, I'm not confident. That's why I think we're hearing the "Pochetinno has faith in the Academy" party line getting touted round. I so so hope I'm wrong though, Tommy. I just want to see the squad exit this transfer window in a stronger position than last year. What about you mate? Are you confident we're going to spend this window?

I believe we will, but as others have said, we are waiting for those teams that can outspend us to make their moves first so we are not gazumped last minute.

In regard to Barkley, it's seems from the information from those in the know is that Everton are holding things up but it is a goer by all accounts.

I guess it's just a case of holding our collective nerves, but I get the frustration.

COYS1988 · Jul 26, 2017

Anyone know if this Koeman bloke's ITK is any good? To say you're '100% sure' Barkley is on the move is a big claim to make...

johnweldon10@hotmail.com · Jul 26, 2017

Trix said:
Are they our first choice targets? If not(and imo they are not except maybe perreira) then why would we be throwing money at them if our real first choice targets were still gettable?

You keep banging on about how much money we have, and I have never said we don't have money but it really isn't that simple. Willian, Batshuai and Martial. were all in recent times very close to coming, all were first choice, and ALL went somewhere else when clubs that can outspend us swooped in at the last minute once our interest was very clear. As I have said before "being clever" in the transfer market is far more than just identifying untapped talent, but it's clear some people think buying players is as simple as buying something from the local supermarket.

Thanks for clarifying that Trix. It's nice when people are prepared to engage you in debate, instead of just telling you to take it elsewhere when you offer an opinion they disagree with. I interpreted your "no magic money trees" comment as absolutely a metaphor for "we don't have the money" so thanks for clearing that up for me mate. Pretty sure there'll be a few on here that won't be happy with your affirmation though Trix. They prefer to mock and sneer at anyone who suggests we have money to spend. Let me assure you I'm not one of those "people who thinks buying players is as simple as buying something from the local supermarket", but equally, don't you think we could've acted more quickly and decisively to secure a replacement like Perreira? We knew about City's interest in Walker and must've been confident we'd receive a massive fee because as you've already stated, City isn't the type of club that "needs to negotiate down the price". But as you say, if there are other first choice targets that were still gettable and remain under the radar, then that is really encouraging. Are you quietly confident we'll do the business that Poch wants to do Trix?

Hoddle&Waddle · Jul 26, 2017

TheAmerican said:
I could see one being Federico Chiesa (Fiorentina). He fits the italian link, Rob's having to google him but being impressed (very skillful and there are quite a few nice compilation videos of him), and it fit's the recent right-side attacking itk. Plus he fits our age and potential model (and can play across the front three), and has been linked with moves to both Napoli and Liverpool after really impressing at the U21 world cup (which we supposedly also scouted heavily).

I'd think the 'ice cream' references refer to Napoli, who's region has a world famous ice cream. The most recently linked player from Napoli has been Potr Zeilinski, that would be my guess.

SpartanSpur · Jul 26, 2017

worcestersauce said:
Much the same can be said for Wanyama, Eriksen and even Dele when we bought them don't you think? I also think City for one would have been more interested two years ago. Not sure if that means we are two years behind them or that the next stage is paying megabucks for superstars, and defemders, which we aren't able to do.
I realise some people aren't overwhelmed by Ross Barkley and I understand that but I honestly think he will be a terrific signing for us and, as I've posted before, I don't think we have seen anything like the best of him yet.

I actually really want him and think it'll prove an astute signing, like the others you rightly mentioned.

I just found it interesting, but at the same time I guess we already have a team of players all our competitors would love to buy.

johnweldon10@hotmail.com · Jul 26, 2017

tommyt said:
I believe we will, but as others have said, we are waiting for those teams that can outspend us to make their moves first so we are not gazumped last minute.

In regard to Barkley, it's seems from the information from those in the know is that Everton are holding things up but it is a goer by all accounts.

I guess it's just a case of holding our collective nerves, but I get the frustration.

Hope you're right Tommy. Thanks for the reply mate

robertgoulet · Jul 26, 2017

Trix said:
Are they our first choice targets? If not(and imo they are not except maybe perreira) then why would we be throwing money at them if our real first choice targets were still gettable?

You keep banging on about how much money we have, and I have never said we don't have money but it really isn't that simple. Willian, Batshuai and Martial. were all in recent times very close to coming, all were first choice, and ALL went somewhere else when clubs that can outspend us swooped in at the last minute once our interest was very clear. As I have said before "being clever" in the transfer market is far more than just identifying untapped talent, but it's clear some people think buying players is as simple as buying something from the local supermarket.

"Being clever" aka no leaks!

Ossie85 · Jul 26, 2017

It seems Bayern is having the same stance as us re the transfer market. Uli Hoeness just declared that Bayern won't be signing anyone until this transfer madness ended.
Nothing to do with Barkley, but just to reinforce why we are not buying players. I suspect the prices will drop considerably the last days

Trix · Jul 26, 2017

[email protected] said:
Thanks for clarifying that Trix. It's nice when people are prepared to engage you in debate, instead of just telling you to take it elsewhere when you offer an opinion they disagree with. I interpreted your "no magic money trees" comment as absolutely a metaphor for "we don't have the money" so thanks for clearing that up for me mate. Pretty sure there'll be a few on here that won't be happy with your affirmation though Trix. They prefer to mock and sneer at anyone who suggests we have money to spend. Let me assure you I'm not one of those "people who thinks buying players is as simple as buying something from the local supermarket", but equally, don't you think we could've acted more quickly and decisively to secure a replacement like Perreira? We knew about City's interest in Walker and must've been confident we'd receive a massive fee because as you've already stated, City isn't the type of club that "needs to negotiate down the price". But as you say, if there are other first choice targets that were still gettable and remain under the radar, then that is really encouraging. Are you quietly confident we'll do the business that Poch wants to do Trix?

I don't know anything about the Perreira deal other than what I have read on here, but the 20% sell on they are apparently asking for is a big deal, so could understand why it's been held up if that is the case. As with acting more quickly again not that simple. Agents will be telling their clients to wait and see what offers they get, clubs will be doing the same as they want the best possible price.Unless you over pay, which then means you overpay on wages and agents fee's also, it is very much a waiting game. Things take time and are often not made public for a reason.

Koeman today revealed the situation from Evertons POV with Barkley, although it's nothing new. I heard and posted it about it weeks ago when it happened. That is how it works. It wasn't in Everton's best interests for it to become common knowledge at that time, so they said nothing, things have progressed since then, and so here we are. And it's not just us. David Gold was on the radio yesterday talking about the Hernandez deal, he said it took months to get the deal over the line even though it has only been common knowledge for a fairly short period of time. He said in the last two weeks they have shaved £2mil off the price.

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Trix · Jul 26, 2017

Ossie85 said:
It seems Bayern is having the same stance as us re the transfer market. Uli Hoeness just declared that Bayern won't be signing anyone until this transfer madness ended.
Nothing to do with Barkley, but just to reinforce why we are not buying players. I suspect the prices will drop considerably the last days

Even Bayern can't compete with the likes of Barca, PSG Real, Chelsea, UTD, and Citeh.

johnweldon10@hotmail.com · Jul 26, 2017

Trix said:
I don't know anything about the Perreira deal other than what I have read on here, but the 20% sell on they are apparently asking for is a big deal, so could understand why it's been held up if that is the case. As with acting more quickly again not that simple. Agents will be telling their clients to wait and see what offers they get, clubs will be doing the same as they want the best possible price.Unless you over pay, which then means you overpay on wages and agents fee's also, it is very much a waiting game. Things take time and are often not made public for a reason.

Koeman today revealed the situation from Evertons POV with Barkley, although it's nothing new. I heard and posted it about it weeks ago when it happened. That is how it works. It wasn't in Everton's best interests for it to become common knowledge at that time, so they said nothing, things have progressed since then, and so here we are. And it's not just us. David Gold was on the radio yesterday talking about the Hernandez deal, he said it took months to get the deal over the line even though it has only been common knowledge for a fairly short period of time. He said in the last two weeks they have shaved £2mil off the price.

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Right, I see. That makes a lot of sense, thanks Trix. I was really starting to worry we wouldn't be doing anything this window, despite the money generated. Not counting my chickens, but certainly feel cautiously optimistic after your latest posts. Cheers for the info Trix, I really appreciate your taking the time to respond.

TEESSIDE1 · Jul 26, 2017

Ossie85 said:
It seems Bayern is having the same stance as us re the transfer market. Uli Hoeness just declared that Bayern won't be signing anyone until this transfer madness ended.
Nothing to do with Barkley, but just to reinforce why we are not buying players. I suspect the prices will drop considerably the last days

as in Bayern Munich? They've signed Gnabry, Tolisso, Rudy, James Rodriguez, Coman (perm) and Sule already this summer... or is Hoeness suffering from Alzheimer's lol

LexingtonSpurs · Jul 26, 2017

TEESSIDE1 said:
as in Bayern Munich? They've signed Gnabry, Tolisso, Rudy, James Rodriguez, Coman (perm) and Sule already this summer... or is Hoeness suffering from Alzheimer's lol

Yeah, but no more signings until the madness stops, or a need arises.

Ossie85 · Jul 26, 2017

TEESSIDE1 said:
as in Bayern Munich? They've signed Gnabry, Tolisso, Rudy, James Rodriguez, Coman (perm) and Sule already this summer... or is Hoeness suffering from Alzheimer's lol

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/fo...-t-join-transfer-bidding-war-madness-1.614453

Trees · Jul 26, 2017

We are playing Everton at the same game as they played us with Lennon. Last day deal of window in imo.

Adam456 · Jul 26, 2017

I am sure that DL will have made it clear to 'corner shop' Everton that he will be offering even less on deadline day.

It is that fact that makes me hope they will see sense before the start of the season

yankspurs · Jul 26, 2017

Adam456 said:
I am sure that DL will have made it clear to 'corner shop' Everton that he will be offering even less on deadline day.

It is that fact that makes me hope they will see sense before the start of the season

Both sides here could be playing a dangerous game and if this goes to deadline day(which it very well might) then Levy might be screwing it up by lowering the price we'd pay. Right now, it looks good. There's really only 1 club highly interested in him and after Koemen's comments, it looks like they have to sell. So it's kind of at equillibrium with demand side being heavily favored since Koemen made it clear Barkley wants out.

But as we get closer to the season and after the season starts, the 1 suitor may become more and a bidding war could ensue so us lowering our bid could see us out. I believe Levy might foresee a bidding war happen by the deadline and might have given a deadline and made it clear we'll move on completely if it's not done by a certain point so as we dont get screwed by missing out on him without a backup plan. So this might have lead to Koemen's comments today which were probably made to attract more suitors now so they can see if they could get a bidding war now without having to risk being stuck with the player if we didnt go back in for him and no other bidders came about. Seems like these were calculated comments. The next few days will be interesting, IMO.

Cinemattis · Jul 26, 2017

Archibald&Crooks said:
(...) The only thing that isn't read into any of it is what's actually been said.

Which will probably come out on SC as "the hot dog needed mustard and the onions were burnt"

So...reading it as it´s actually been said (written): someone had the unfortunate experience of trying to to play hide and seek with his bratwürst but were in lack of natural or applied lubricants? And to top that, the "onions" were completly dried out? Which could, of course, happen as a consequence of the former.

But what if it´s a cryptic...!? Germans are famous for their sausages with mustard. We´ve been linked with several young Germans - as well as players from German clubs - this summer. But burnt onions may smell...and smelling onions may mean that a deal went sour? But at the same time, burnt onions can also be really tasty...!

An onion is a plant, Allium cepa, of the amaryllis family, having an edible, succulent, pungent bulb. But an "onion" could also be an ounce of marijuana/cocaine/any illegal drug, a native of Bermuda(!), nice, big, round buttocks... And to know one´s onions can be to know one's subject or business thoroughly; be capable or proficient.

I´m just rambling without any cohesion whatsoever, ain´t I? Does Barkley have nice buttocks? (n)

mano-obe · Jul 27, 2017

Reading through their forum they really don't care he's leaving. Many comments about him having no bottle, inconsistent and not having a good footballing brain. They're genuinely excited to get Siggy who would be an upgrade on him.

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