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Tottenham vs West Ham: League Cup Match Thread

DEFchenkOE

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Why does he need a trophy ?

He is doing a great job and a loss in the Mouse Cup dont chang that.

This was our lowest priority as we are competing for the league and CL. We could always come out of them and do a Ramos.

Why does he need a trophy?? He/We desperately need a trophy to give some credibility to the notion that we're this amazing team. While we're achieving very good things in the league, the fact remains that we haven't won it.

The question of why does he need a trophy is a losers mentality imo. He needs a trophy to be regarded as a winner. It's as simple as that.
 

shelfboy68

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Poor performance and result losing to teams of that nature I thought results like that were a thing of the past with us but clearly not.
What the fuck was said at half time as we came out like we were on dope and they just upped it and we offered nothing, to lose after being 2-0 against a poor team like that they should be ashamed.
 

fletch82

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Hate too keep bringing this up but apart from one hit wonders, Blackburn and Leicester, every team that has won the EPL has won a domestic cup(mostly the League Cup) either the year before or the same year. Even Don Revie's Leeds all those years ago only won the league(68/69) after winning the League Cup the year before(67/68) and that was after coming runners up in the league 2 years in a row( 64/65, 65/66). Winning (trophies) is a habit and sometimes you just have to start somewhere.

So by You're own reasoning we should give up on the prem now as It's already won by manure ?

They won the bulls piss cup last year so the title is a forgone conclusion no ?

Look I hate loosing especially to West ham as they have such a moronic fan base but
Poch pretty much said he couldn't give a fuck about this comp early season
We played a team with 3 full backs in it ,a striker who hasn't had 90 all season second string keeper and it was all a bit of a mish mash really
Poch said he would prioritise league champ league fa cup and bulls piss cup not at all
I get it
in the grander scheme of our season makes sense to low ball it.
 

lukespurs7

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So by You're own reasoning we should give up on the prem now as It's already won by manure ?

They won the bulls piss cup last year so the title is a forgone conclusion no ?

Look I hate loosing especially to West ham as they have such a moronic fan base but
Poch pretty much said he couldn't give a fuck about this comp early season
We played a team with 3 full backs in it ,a striker who hasn't had 90 all season second string keeper and it was all a bit of a mish mash really
Poch said he would prioritise league champ league fa cup and bulls piss cup not at all
I get it
in the grander scheme of our season makes sense to low ball it.
Issue is the team we picked was more than good enough to beat them at home, as shown by our comfortable 2-0 half time lead. Shocking collapse and very very disappointing to not even get to the Qf’s of this cup. I don’t care what poch says, he and the players would like to win this trophy so they get the winning feeling. We aren’t winning the league and defiantly not the CL any time soon so to go out of this and or the FA cup so early at home to west fuck shit spam ham is not on.
 

JimmyG2

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This cup, that cup, trophies, silverware, whatever.

We lost to a poor but motivated W:Ham team
after being 2-0 up at half time.
That's the only hing that matters here to me.
We conceded three goals without reply,
we looked disinterested and arrogantly casual.

Who cares whether it was league or FA cup or Carabao Cup
or a kick about down Hackney Marshes.
It was unforgivable and inept
at every level and in every aspect.

If I was a conspiracy theorist
I would think we deliberately blew it.
It's the only thing that adequately explains the performance.
It will stay with me for a long, long time.

If you are seriously delusional
you can find positives.
Sissoko's goal, Moussa Dembele, Danny Rose, Foyth.
Now I'm struggling
but it all pales into insignificance
in the manner in which we lost and to whom.
 

Seafordian Spurs

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Haven’t posted for ages but always checking in. Some thoughts if anyone cares while we collectively lick our wounds (ahem).
It’s painful to lose to that lot especially after having a two goal lead. We were arrogant and complacent. Let’s be very honest though – if this was a full strength team in a game that mattered we’d have seen it out.

That’s the point I guess. For better or worse in our eyes, Poch doesn’t care about the Rumbalows Cup and that very much echoed in the players. I think there was an article a day or so ago in the Telegraph where he basically says ‘fans need to understand competing in four cups is tough, they need to manage their expectations’ or something.

Again, whether we like it or not, decisions are made by Poch and by Spurs Plc about what to prioritise over the course of a season and in a very tough month. The Milk Cup was not high on the To Do list.

We know deep down that in the wretchedness of modern football, finishing as high as possible and maybe even cementing a place within the pantheon of the Champs League is important for a club on many, many levels – prestige, money, allure etc. It’s this that is desired more than domestic cups. After all, the consensus is that Arsenal have underachieved over the last god knows how many seasons despite winning the FA Cup a few times.

One more thing I guess – it comes down to philosophical choices on behalf of Poch and his crew. THEY don’t ascribe to the theory that domestic cups breed success. They are looking at things from a different angle, one that doesn’t always sit well with us but has so far has an amazing impact on this club.

Bring on Manchester United and Real Madrid. I have to say for the first time ever, I’m not scared of going toe to toe with them. That’s progress. Maybe.
 

SEANSPURS1975

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I find it hard to just brush it off. Winning the league cup isn't automatically a springboard to further success but it would be nice for Poch to win a trophy so people can stop going on about it. It would also be nice for us as fans to have something tangible to cheer about. It was obviously a changed team but in this case, it was all going swimmingly. It wouldn't have been so bad if West Ham/A N other than team had us on the back foot from the word go but this is a bit annoying. Hey ho, I guess it's on to the Man U game.

Unfortunately this particular competition is now an afterthought, the prestige of the League Cup has gone. It's a Cup to play the reserves in, to give squad players a run out, to make wholesale changes in. Did people not see the empty seats? Nobody cares about this competition.
What prestige is there in winning it? Not much.
Ask any top 6 teams fans if they'd swap a Carabao Cup for a top four place?
We want to win silverware, but this competition is at the bottom of our list of priorities, especially sandwiched between playing Liverpool and Man Utd.
It's obviously disappointing to lose in the manner we did last night and that second half was totally unacceptable.
However, have people forgotten how well we've been doing? How far we've progressed under Pochettino?
We've got Man United in a couple of days then Madrid and people are losing their shit over this second rate competition.
Losing in that Mickey Mouse competition is no time to start questioning Pochettino.
 

Metalhead

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Unfortunately this particular competition is now an afterthought, the prestige of the League Cup has gone. It's a Cup to play the reserves in, to give squad players a run out, to make wholesale changes in. Did people not see the empty seats? Nobody cares about this competition.
What prestige is there in winning it? Not much.
Ask any top 6 teams fans if they'd swap a Carabao Cup for a top four place?
We want to win silverware, but this competition is at the bottom of our list of priorities, especially sandwiched between playing Liverpool and Man Utd.
It's obviously disappointing to lose in the manner we did last night and that second half was totally unacceptable.
However, have people forgotten how well we've been doing? How far we've progressed under Pochettino?
We've got Man United in a couple of days then Madrid and people are losing their shit over this second rate competition.
Losing in that Mickey Mouse competition is no time to start questioning Pochettino.
Not forgetting any of what Poch has achieved and I always find the SC meltdowns ridiculous. I am not ranting and neither am I fuming but I am disappointed as we were 2-0 up and we lost 3-2. I never said that I was questioning Poch; I do know that we will sometimes lose matches.
 

dagraham

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Poor performance and result losing to teams of that nature I thought results like that were a thing of the past with us but clearly not.
What the fuck was said at half time as we came out like we were on dope and they just upped it and we offered nothing, to lose after being 2-0 against a poor team like that they should be ashamed.

Any team can have an off day, but as you said, complete capitulation and an unwillingness to compete were supposed to be a thing of the past. It may only be the league cup, but the lack of leaders able to rally the team when it was needed was like the Spurs of old.

Is it a case of not really giving a fuck ( bad enough in itself) or is it a lack of balls and winning mentality still at the decisive moments when we need to win? Guess we'll find out when we are presented with another crucial moment or decisive game or chance to win a trophy.
 

1882andallthat

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What is really grating on my nerves is that before the League game against them a few weeks ago Poch came out and said that he understands how much games against this lot matter to the fans .

If this is the case them for once can we bloody well show it !!! We have had two golden opportunities to really put the Spammers to the sword this season leading them 3-0 and 2-0 and we have casually thrown them away as if we couldn't care less. This is one of the reasons why we keep being ridiculed by their insufferable followers.

I understand the need to rotate as much as everyone in light of our forthcoming fixtures but if the league really matters more then I will accept no bullshit excuses against the Spammers next time, I want us to go full pelt at them for the entire game, if we go 2 or 3 up next time I want no fucking let up, it's about time we gave these hateful and spiteful goading shits a good 5-0 hammering to shut them up !!! I know that the players and the fans probably don't know the full extent of dogs abuse we have to get thrown up by these wannabe gangster bellends but maybe they should.

Is it any wonder these jokers keep throwing the same old line at us that we think we are better than we are when we constantly fail to show it against them !!!

If we really are this good then lets start showing it and stop letting them off the hook by showing them sloppiness and bloody charity !!! They hate us, so lets finally give them what they deserve on the pitch, a bloody good hiding with no let ups !!
 

dagraham

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Unfortunately this particular competition is now an afterthought, the prestige of the League Cup has gone. It's a Cup to play the reserves in, to give squad players a run out, to make wholesale changes in. Did people not see the empty seats? Nobody cares about this competition.
What prestige is there in winning it? Not much.
Ask any top 6 teams fans if they'd swap a Carabao Cup for a top four place?
We want to win silverware, but this competition is at the bottom of our list of priorities, especially sandwiched between playing Liverpool and Man Utd.
It's obviously disappointing to lose in the manner we did last night and that second half was totally unacceptable.
However, have people forgotten how well we've been doing? How far we've progressed under Pochettino?
We've got Man United in a couple of days then Madrid and people are losing their shit over this second rate competition.
Losing in that Mickey Mouse competition is no time to start questioning Pochettino.

People are losing their shit over the way we lost, not the fact we got knocked out.
 

fletch82

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Issue is the team we picked was more than good enough to beat them at home, as shown by our comfortable 2-0 half time lead. Shocking collapse and very very disappointing to not even get to the Qf’s of this cup. I don’t care what poch says, he and the players would like to win this trophy so they get the winning feeling. We aren’t winning the league and defiantly not the CL any time soon so to go out of this and or the FA cup so early at home to west fuck shit spam ham is not on.

That team was a complete hodge podge of a team I got home late and the game had started we was 1 up it took me 10 mins just to work out what was going on with the team and shape
I still maintain that due to the final date it's a curse rather than a great thing to win.
How many teams have won it and had a massive drop off in form ? Including us (ramos)
The fa devalued the comp by having a final in the middle of the business end of the season
It's a huge distraction and bar the huge money huge squad clubs a derailment of the entire season if it hadn't of been the sad spammers less of you would give a flying fuck.
 

greamespurs61

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Why does he need a trophy ?

He is doing a great job and a loss in the Mouse Cup dont chang that.

This was our lowest priority as we are competing for the league and CL. We could always come out of them and do a Ramos.
Of course he needs a trophy! he has been building a very good team for few years now and now its time to deliver,we have won sweet FA for years and we also need to keep the players at the club by winning things,it may only be a League Cup but its something.the game is about glory
 

dagraham

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Nah. Most people are losing their shit because we're out of the Energy Drink Cup and that Pochettino 'must' win a trophy this season.

Well I can only speak for myself and that's not the case with me. I have no problem with the team Poch put out or that we lost to a team that were just better than us on the day. It's the attitude and either a) complete lack of professionalism or b) lack of bollocks that bothers me.
 
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