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Will we win a trophy under Poch?

Will Poch win us a trophy?

  • Yes - Poch will get us some silver

    Votes: 143 62.4%
  • No - we'll always be the nearly men

    Votes: 54 23.6%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 32 14.0%

  • Total voters
    229

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Literally unbelievable people actually think this.
True but attitude from the players and manager towards games like the other will often lead to some people thinking like this.
The league and or FA cup represented our best chance of silverware after all what else can we realistically win? Title or CL I don't think so.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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True but attitude from the players and manager towards games like the other will often lead to some people thinking like this.
The league and or FA cup represented our best chance of silverware after all what else can we realistically win? Title or CL I don't think so.

Why can't we win the title?

City have fallen away after good starts before, Chelsea aren't looking that great and Utd have started dropping points and are getting injuries.

We have an excellent keeper, best defence in the league last season and last 2 seasons golden boot winner.

No reason to say we are not in the mix.
 

shelfboy68

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I don't think any fans really think that, they just understand the hierarchy of priority to sustain a proper league and CL campaign year on year means league Cup and FA Cup compromise. Even a little CL compromise and definitely Europa compromise.

We'd all enjoy a cup win. Nobody really actively wanted to lose to West Ham, including the players, they just weren't our best 11 and came a little unstuck.
It was their attitudes that came unstuck pure arrogance in thinking little old west ham were going to go quietly second half, they came and had a go and got lucky whereas we just couldn't deal with anything very poor.
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Why can't we win the title?

City have fallen away after good starts before, Chelsea aren't looking that great and Utd have started dropping points and are getting injuries.

We have an excellent keeper, best defence in the league last season and last 2 seasons golden boot winner.

No reason to say we are not in the mix.
I suppose I should say that imo I cannot see us winning the league I sort of see us as one of those teams that flatter to deceive in that respect going close on a couple of occasions but leave empty handed.
The only concern I have in this is that players may want to leave for teams that can win stuff and then we are back to square one again, but that is the joy of following our club with all the fun of the fair.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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I suppose I should say that imo I cannot see us winning the league I sort of see us as one of those teams that flatter to deceive in that respect going close on a couple of occasions but leave empty handed.
The only concern I have in this is that players may want to leave for teams that can win stuff and then we are back to square one again, but that is the joy of following our club with all the fun of the fair.

Naturally we don't know what will happen in the future.

If we weren't playing our home games at Wembley I'd have us joint favourites with City for the title.
 

shelfboy68

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Jun 14, 2008
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Naturally we don't know what will happen in the future.

If we weren't playing our home games at Wembley I'd have us joint favourites with City for the title.

Well that is fair enough but from what I have seen so far city will win it with quite a gap from everyone else they are for me the best team around.
So that only leaves the cup and with our semi final record we probably will lose to Accrington Stanley in that.
 

dontcallme

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Mar 18, 2005
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Well that is fair enough but from what I have seen so far city will win it with quite a gap from everyone else they are for me the best team around.

I agree City are favourites but it is a long season. A couple of injuries of run of bad form can happen to anyone.
 

Bobbins

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May 5, 2005
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You just appear to be ranting at an opinion that doesn't really seem to exist.

Sigh.

"Ranting" about an opinion that doesn't seem to exist.

Well, here you go. All these quotes are purely from the match thread after the end of the game. I'm not including all the other similar comments that came about before and during the game, in other threads, or the thousands of comments from people on social media.

I've removed the names to avoid shaming anyone.

How about you drop this "making it all up" line. Maybe stop trying to suggest my annoyance with the attitude towards the LC is some kind of mental delusion that only I can see.

I really don't even know why you're engaging with me as you're not even offering a difference of opinion, you're basically just complaining that I'm making posts you don't agree with.

not too bothered apart from it being wet spam

Not disappointed to go out of this competition, we've got bigger priorities

Can't say I care at all about the result tbh

Honestly? Don't care, just annoying it's them

Our aspirations are higher than the carabao cup. Bring me the league, CL or FA Cup.

Don't care about this cup

Dont care about the Milk cup.

We have bigger fish to fry

i was "meh" at 2-0 i'm still "meh" at 3-2. Its really no big deal

I'm not that bothered we're out.

meaningless pile of shite cup.

I actually don't care.

Dont give a shit about spurs not giving a shit about the league cup

Don’t mind being out!

mickey mouse cup.

I couldn't care less if we won it and neither would anyone else.

Meh.

Sorry youre upset but don't care for this comp

Horrible competition with a ludicrous final date that destabilises your entire season as the we won the cup attitude confuses players in to thinking your seasons finished with a cup win

I have hated this comp since Ramos spurs didn't win a game for about 12 yrs after winning it.

personally don't like it at all and couldn't care a fuck if we are out :)

very relaxed about going out

Meh.

largely unbothered, second class cup

Who cares, now Wet Spam can keep their shitty manager a little longer.

I didn't care about the the game before hand.

Now it's over, I don't care about it again.
 

Lilbaz

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Apr 1, 2005
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Sigh.

"Ranting" about an opinion that doesn't seem to exist.

Well, here you go. All these quotes are purely from the match thread after the end of the game. I'm not including all the other similar comments that came about before and during the game, in other threads, or the thousands of comments from people on social media.

I've removed the names to avoid shaming anyone.

How about you drop this "making it all up" line. Maybe stop trying to suggest my annoyance with the attitude towards the LC is some kind of mental delusion that only I can see.

I really don't even know why you're engaging with me as you're not even offering a difference of opinion, you're basically just complaining that I'm making posts you don't agree with.

As i said before it's the "i didn't fancy you anyway" remarks. I even said it a bit after the game to lessen the pain.
Did that mean that i didn't want to win the game? No and neither did they.
Just because we don't throw a hissy fit after the game doesn't mean we weren't disappointed.
 

Bobbins

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As i said before it's the "i didn't fancy you anyway" remarks. I even said it a bit after the game to lessen the pain.
Did that mean that i didn't want to win the game? No and neither did they.
Just because we don't throw a hissy fit after the game doesn't mean we weren't disappointed.

K.

Fuck's sake :ROFLMAO:
 

Bobbins

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As i said before it's the "i didn't fancy you anyway" remarks. I even said it a bit after the game to lessen the pain.
Did that mean that i didn't want to win the game? No and neither did they.
Just because we don't throw a hissy fit after the game doesn't mean we weren't disappointed.

Just for a laugh, on my lunch break I decided to take a look at the match thread from before the game, to test this theory that the "don't care" comments were just deflection after the defeat (even though I already know that isn't true because of all the comments I'd read in the days before the game.

The very first two replies in the match thread are:

Don't care about this match. Don't understand why the competition is still played (to steal fans' money), don't know why the opponent is still a club (because they stole the taxpayer's money), and don't understand how I will be able to watch it (cant be arsed to pay money for it).

I'd take losing this if it meant winning on Saturday
 

nicdic

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If you're using comments in the match thread to make a valid point, then I think that's all I need to know.
 

Hazardousman

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If you're using comments in the match thread to make a valid point, then I think that's all I need to know.

To be fair, nearly every single argument made against people on here is normally based on the match thread or a reaction to a match.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Just for a laugh, on my lunch break I decided to take a look at the match thread from before the game, to test this theory that the "don't care" comments were just deflection after the defeat (even though I already know that isn't true because of all the comments I'd read in the days before the game.

The very first two replies in the match thread are:


But they are just fairly typical and logical comments. Most of us would rather beat ManU Saturday than West Ham on Wednesday in the LC wouldn't we? Would mean we go above them, would send a ripple through the league - again - that we are serious title contenders, would be watched all round the world and would help cement our status as a genuine top club, as well as the pleasure of beating an uber club and the general pleasure of that etc etc.

I can understand the logic of "if we are going to try and win any trophy, this is by far the easiest". But I can also understand the logic of "how much esteem should we actually put on a trophy that takes 5 games to win, and we have won twice in the last 18 years and neither time did it really have any wider implications, over and above the pleasure of winning it".

I understand your point of view, if you value winning any trophy for trophy's sake, then I can understand you not agreeing with the latter point of view, but just as I can understand your point of view, surely you can understand the other point of view?

I think the general consensus of the vast majority, including Poch and the players was, it would be very nice to beat West Ham, we are putting out a side that should be good enough to do that whilst resting and rotating sensibly, and if we get the final we would like to win it.

I don't think the players didn't give a shit, nearly all those players had something to play for and prove because we have competition for almost every position now (only Alderweireld and Alli's place is assured of that starting 11 I'd say). It wasn't a terrible performance, just one that lacked the quality that our three most important players might have added (Eriksen, Kane, Vertonghen).

Personally I think this is a cup too many. I would happily see this cup abolished, or the rules changed so that PL/Championship clubs are compelled to play 5/6 home grown players in every round, including the final, in order to force clubs to give much needed exposure to these kids who might then be able to use it as a platform to impress and earn more time.
 

Bobbins

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May 5, 2005
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If you're using comments in the match thread to make a valid point, then I think that's all I need to know.

Right, so when I refer to comments made on SC, and you accuse me of essentially making those comments up, I shouldn't use those comments to prove that those comments exist?

You're really not very good at this logic stuff, are you?
 

Spurs 1961

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It was their attitudes that came unstuck pure arrogance in thinking little old west ham were going to go quietly second half, they came and had a go and got lucky whereas we just couldn't deal with anything very poor.

The biggest weakness I have seen this season is the unwillingness to kick teams when they are down. City and Utd do it when on form and we did it at the very end of last season. I was there at Wembley to see us play the whole game as though it was just a training ground exercise. At two up we should of made it three or four but were not ruthless. Even on Sunday against Liverpool I thought there was too much of an easy, easy game played when ahead instead of trying for five or six. The problem with playing a low key game is that is then becomes really hard to suddenly switch intensity on. i felt until we were losing on Wednesday that we have no sense of urgency.

Arrogance, complacency whatever we want to call it does not think teams can come back from two or three goals down but we know that is not true. Thrashing a team is not showing them disrespect, showboating does, rather it shows a respect for their potential to get back in the game. So we need to become ruthless and maybe at five goals up can relax a little
 
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Gaz_Gammon

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I've enjoyed the last three seasons more than any other in the last 20 - with the possible exception of the bale/modric/VDW Champions league run where we won fuck all too.

We won the league cup under Ramos and went nowhere. I'll stick fat with the bloke whose taken us to 3rd and then 2nd playing imperious football against all comers thank you very much.

Don't know you're alive some of you lot


Watched Greaves in 65 destroy Liverpool at WHL, so spare me the last two seasons history lesson.
 

StevePil

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Dec 30, 2006
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No, sadly not in my opinion we will be the nearly men!

We are up against rich tycoons who can just spend and Poch has heart on PL and CL which we are miles away from winning, yes we got 2nd last year but 2nd isn't a trophy.

We do not have the squad for the PL, look at City - they lose Aguero for weeks and they don't stop scoring, we lose Kane - we lose to west ham and likely usual OT loss tomorrow.. we cant replace him, we are not a one man team far from it, but we cant replace a player of his calibre...where as City/Chelsea can... even Arsenal can!

Poch throws the carabao cup or whatever its called and will likely do same in FA Cup in hope we get the PL / CL which we are not yet in that league due to our squad, it pains me to say it but our first 11 is brilliant, lose one we are bang in trouble as we will see with Kane now and then we will get another injury as this is how the Spurs luck rolls.
 
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