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Away form against top sides

shelfboy68

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def.

And that's the only minor critique I'd make on today's game. Really decent effort to settle into the game and limited Utd to one or two half chances in the first 75.

At this point, I think we could lock it down to make sure we come away with at least a point. Today Winks hit a wall late on, so for me Davidson on. Dier to cdm. And make sure we don't concede. Still happy for Lorente to come on, counter as per usual, just add that extra point to the tally and stop the oppo getting 3 on us.

I'm no Poch of course, but for me there's a point in the game, after so much hard work, where we refocus and take something home. Jose of course does it from minute one which is dreadful, but from the 80th ok by me.
Jose I might point out is very very successful and will continue to be so, poch on the other hand is a fantastic coach but to date has won fuck all.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Has anyone seen our rival's record of their away matches against top teams by any chance?

I think they said post match today that in the last two seasons and so far this we've won once away at top 4 teams, and the other three have won 4 times each I think ?

I think this is a bit of a red herring really. As per @Ionman34 says above, winning at the top four teams is always going to be the hardest thing to do.

Our record in general against the top 4 teams has improved massively under Poch. We've taken 10 of the last 12 points from City (WWWD), we've taken 7 points of the last 15 from Chelsea(WDLWL), 6 from 12 off Arsenal(DDDW), 6/15 ManU (LWLWL).

That's 6 losses and 8 wins from our last 18 games against the other top 4 sides.
 

thefierycamel

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Just said on MOTD that Utd have only won 2 of their last 11 games against top teams.
That's because they aren't as good as what people think they are, and haven't been since fergie fucked off. Even this season their team is uninspiring, i mean they just lost to huddersfield last week. How the hell can huddersfield put two past them and we can only create one proper chance in the whole match? It's all mental, our team is going there (old trafford) consistently and basically giving them the chance to win. We should be taking the prerogative away from them, trying to kill the game on the counter/through possession but instead we just look like we've given up before the match even starts. We probably have the second best 11 in the league, even with injuries, and yet we manage to shit ourselves at these grounds constantly. It's incredibly frustrating
 

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That's because they aren't as good as what people think they are, and haven't been since fergie fucked off. Even this season their team is uninspiring, i mean they just lost to huddersfield last week. How the hell can huddersfield put two past them and we can only create one proper chance in the whole match? It's all mental, our team is going there (old trafford) consistently and basically giving them the chance to win. We should be taking the prerogative away from them, trying to kill the game on the counter/through possession but instead we just look like we've given up before the match even starts. We probably have the second best 11 in the league, even with injuries, and yet we manage to shit ourselves at these grounds constantly. It's incredibly frustrating
No, we don't shit ourselves at these grounds consistently. If You say that, then you have to concede that Utd shit themselves consistently at ours, and City do too. Basically, re United, over the last couple of years, home advantage has held sway for both sides; we've won at home, they've won away. We've also owned City over the last couple of years in the PL; won twice at home, won and drawn at theirs.
 

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I remember the season Leicester won the league and we played man city away and beat them. It's one of the only games I've been to where there was a real sense of 'something' happening. And that something was belief. I know we didn't win the league, but we genuinely believed we could.

I know many were upset that season when we played Chelsea away and things got heated. Me, I loved it. It showed me that the lads cared. It reminded me of the Utd Vs Arsenal matches of a few years ago which always seemed to be battles.

Belief and the psychology of winning and having that collective 'we are coming to your place and you're not beating us' can't be coached or taught.

Did all of our lads honestly believe that we were going to Old Trafford and coming away with a win? I don't think they did and that's the problem. We know we can go to places and play decent enough football and sometimes get a result. Madrid away was a fantastic result. But as a fan you get the sense of how things may pan out, and yesterday despite our starting 11 being better than theirs, i, as many of you will of felt, just knew we wouldn't get a result.

Not having Kane is huge. I can't stand pundits digging us that without him we are nothing. But when Llorente is the cover we are struggling. I like the guy but in my opinion he ain't enough, particularly to deputise for a run of games if Kane is out. There's a reason he's been at Swansea. I love Son, but was I confident that he was going to lead the line yesterday? No.

We have the best team I have seen in my lifetime, with the best manager. I just want to see belief. And that comes with getting results at the big teams.
 

goughie1966

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Jose I might point out is very very successful and will continue to be so, poch on the other hand is a fantastic coach but to date has won fuck all.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ho-first-manager-to-spend-1billion-transfers/
Mourinho is the first manager in history to break the £billion mark in buying players. He's ahead of Ancelotti and Pep. He spent £235m on just Pogba, Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof. His success is down to spending money. All 3 of those coaches spend huge amounts of money, that's why they're a success.

He's been buying trophies since he fluked the CL with Porto. Swap him with Poch next season and see where we'd be compared to Utd. There's not a cat in hell's chance we'd make top 4 with Mourinho and our transfer budget. And he'd never manager a club like us because he couldn't buy success.

All this Mourinho cock sucking by some of our fans is frankly embarrassing.
 

shelfboy68

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...ho-first-manager-to-spend-1billion-transfers/
Mourinho is the first manager in history to break the £billion mark in buying players. He's ahead of Ancelotti and Pep. He spent £235m on just Pogba, Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof. His success is down to spending money. All 3 of those coaches spend huge amounts of money, that's why they're a success.

He's been buying trophies since he fluked the CL with Porto. Swap him with Poch next season and see where we'd be compared to Utd. There's not a cat in hell's chance we'd make top 4 with Mourinho and our transfer budget. And he'd never manager a club like us because he couldn't buy success.

All this Mourinho cock sucking by some of our fans is frankly embarrassing.
Not cock sucking mate just facts ask yourself has mourhino won shit everywhere he has gone and I will leave that with you.(y)
 

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These are the most difficult games to win and even harder fought when you are a genuine trophy threat like the last few years.

Stating the obvious there but hardly feels like a showstopper to me. Wasn’t long ago that we couldn’t win these at home, now we expect to and routinely do.

People forget how far we've come in such a short period, this final step would have us the league routinely. Let that sink in and maybe balance expectation with the enormity of the task.
 

shelfboy68

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These are the most difficult games to win and even harder fought when you are a genuine trophy threat like the last few years.

Stating the obvious there but hardly feels like a showstopper to me. Wasn’t long ago that we couldn’t win these at home, now we expect to and routinely do.

People forget how far we've come in such a short period, this final step would have us the league routinely. Let that sink in and maybe balance expectation with the enormity of the task.
To be honest mate I would not want to be in a changing room listening to shit like we need to balance expectation and size of task etc, I want hear that we have come here to win and not be frightened by anything and to go out and play without fear, and not to keep passing sideways and backwards.
 

Shadydan

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To be honest mate I would not want to be in a changing room listening to shit like we need to balance expectation and size of task etc, I want hear that we have come here to win and not be frightened by anything and to go out and play without fear, and not to keep passing sideways and backwards.

Yeah I reckon Poch definitely says that to the players, definitely.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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It's a running embarrassment. Makes you think, especially after today, that we're not quite as good as we think.

Two away wins against the top six sides in sixteen visits. It could be true to say that a team can win the PL without winning at a "top six side" but unlikely that in our case we could sweep all below us.

Interesting point in Poch's book that he has stated to Levy that he only wants to bring to the club players that can go straight into the first team, or that can improve the team that he already has assembled.

Thing is Levy won't or we cannot afford that quality of player. Sort of chicken and egg syndrome. With no serious threat in the team to Kane or Eriksen what do we expect? When they get injured, suspended or are off form we just have no options.

Therein lies the real problem of not winning away to any of the labeled "top six" sides. This is likely to continue for the foreseeable future so we best sup it up.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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It turns out it's difficult to beat the best teams in the league at the hardest places to play them, it's a good job the season is played over 38 games and not 4.


We were second behind Chelsea by seven points last season (with an unbeaten home run) and Leicester by ten points the season before.

That should put into perspective the importance of winning away at the main competition. Whether the season is over four games, thirty eight or one hundred the fact remains that we are inferior to out main competitors away from our home ground. That has to change if we are to ever win the PL.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Just said on MOTD that Utd have only won 2 of their last 11 games against top teams.


In fairness BC, where did they finish the last four seasons under Moyes and LVG, and even last season? They were never really top four contenders now were they?
 

shelfboy68

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We were second behind Chelsea by seven points last season (with an unbeaten home run) and Leicester by ten points the season before.

That should put into perspective the importance of winning away at the main competition. Whether the season is over four games, thirty eight or one hundred the fact remains that we are inferior to out main competitors away from our home ground. That has to change if we are to ever win the PL.
100% spot on.
 

Jenko

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To be honest mate I would not want to be in a changing room listening to shit like we need to balance expectation and size of task etc, I want hear that we have come here to win and not be frightened by anything and to go out and play without fear, and not to keep passing sideways and backwards.

He was obviously talking about fan expectation, not the players.
 

SpunkyBackpack

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We were second behind Chelsea by seven points last season (with an unbeaten home run) and Leicester by ten points the season before.

That should put into perspective the importance of winning away at the main competition. Whether the season is over four games, thirty eight or one hundred the fact remains that we are inferior to out main competitors away from our home ground. That has to change if we are to ever win the PL.

The same Chelsea who lost 3-0 at Arsenal, lost 2-1 at home to Liverpool, lost 2-0 away at Spurs, drew 1-1 at Liverpool and lost 2-0 away at Man Utd that season?
 

SpunkyBackpack

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We were second behind Chelsea by seven points last season (with an unbeaten home run) and Leicester by ten points the season before.

That should put into perspective the importance of winning away at the main competition. Whether the season is over four games, thirty eight or one hundred the fact remains that we are inferior to out main competitors away from our home ground. That has to change if we are to ever win the PL.

Oh sorry my mistake, you must have been referring to the Leicester side who lost 5-2 at home to Arsenal, lost 1-0 at Liverpool, lost 2-1 at Arsenal, drew 1-1 home to Man Utd, drew 0-0 with Man City, drew 1-1 with Spurs at home, drew 1-1 at Man Utd and drew 1-1 at Chelsea.
 
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