Gamechanger

SpunkyBackpack · Oct 29, 2017

lukespurs7 said:
I think doing one good pass won’t have as much impact on a game as say a Hazard or Bale picking up the ball and running at teams, shooting, crossing and opening up space 3/4 times in a game. The good pass is one way of doing it but we need a game changer who can also stretch teams. I’d say in his prime with us Bale is a gamechanger, Sane at City,Hazard/Willian at Chelsea, Coutiniho/Salah/Mane at Liverpool, Eriksen is more of a Fabregas type game changer.

Of those players you listed half of them are the type of player who goes completely missing in many many games, the complete opposite of what you want when things get tricky. In fact I'm not entirely sure what you want exists, what you need is someone who can come off the bench and offer a different tactical option, thats what changes the game, could be Peter Crouch, could be Aaron Lennon, it depends on the game and the player. To call any particular type of player a game changer is silly.

muppetman · Oct 29, 2017

I can't help but think we always want what we don't have when we lose a game.

I also think comparing us to Man City is nice that people feel we are in that bracket - but we aren't. The money they have spent on attacking players is so far beyond what we can manage, so no, I don't think we can just "get a Hazard, a Bale or a Sane" as we just don't have the budget.

These are the real "bums of seats" players and go for an absolute premium - which I guess is why we try to grow our own in N'jie and N'Koudou?

I also think that most of the league would look at Kane, Eriksen, Son and Dele and wonder what we are complaining about!

shelfboy68 · Oct 29, 2017

ljinko888 said:
Might sound crazy but I think Davies and Rose on the left wing give the best of both worlds. Davies plays nice intricate passes to link up play. Rose a more dynamic dribbler.

Not something I'd advocate week in week out but in games like yesterday I think it would give us an extra dimension.

Rose is not at his best yet due to coming back from injury at the moment

dynamoSpurs · Oct 29, 2017

Lifeson said:
Splash the cash, get Wifried Zaha. Reckon he'd be a beast in our side. 1 on 1 he's one of the best in the league IMO.

Agreed.

panoma · Oct 29, 2017

Hopefully there is something in the Sancho to us next summer. Gonna be a better player than Zaha imo. Having said that I do hope we move for Zaha if something change on the Sancho front.

jonathanhotspur · Oct 29, 2017

lukespurs7 said:
Man.city play the way they do because they have numerous pacey players, we don’t so can’t.

I agree, and I think we are crying out for pace, but we also have too many players who dither on the ball.

nailsy · Oct 29, 2017

If you look at yesterday's bench its simple... We need to upgrade Nkoudou. However when you look at all the players that we're missing at the moment like Lamela, Wanyama and Kane it starts getting a bit more complicated as you can only have so many players on the bench.

spids · Oct 29, 2017

I think Barkley will come in January and will offer something different to our offensive game. With Son, Eriksen, Alli and Kane we have lots of goal threats, and that's before Llorente has had a chance to settle and form understandings with other players.

E17yid · Oct 29, 2017

Embarrassing thread which obviously wouldn’t exist if we drew or won yesterday.

Eriksen, Kane, Son and Alli can all change a game at the drop of a hat. How many “game changers” do you want?

Lighty64 · Oct 29, 2017

lukespurs7 said:
I like the thinking, Barkley could possibly help with this as he’s quite powerful and can create something out of nothing and Lamela’s creativity would help also, both would’ve been great options to have had today but do you think they’d have made a difference. Say we had brought them on by 70 minutes do you think they’d have opened the game up for us like a Hazard or Coutiniho or Martial could’ve and did for them? Surely you’d have rathered the option to bring on a Martial type of player than a Barkley or Lamela?

mate not being funny, but to have a Mane, Coutinho, Salah, Hazard William, Pedro, or any of the players you have mentioned so far we would NEED to up our pay structure, we would then have to find a starting place for them. The last 2 seasons Alli, Eriksen, Son have been the players that have got us to where we are. Son has been okay with rotation, but we're rumours he might go before the end of last seasons transfer window due to game time. to find one of those players we need to find one that's out there that's willing to accept bench time. you start sticking Alli (even though he could do with some bench time) and Eriksen on the bench too often, they will be off.

also the same with the pacey skilful forward in place of Kane when he is injured, who do you suggest? Batshuyi isn't happy sitting on the bench at Chelsea. no forward that's class enough isn't going to want to sign knowing we have Kane in front of them.

all the top other teams have one thing in their favour, MONEY to pay them for sitting on the bench

dontcallme · Oct 29, 2017

E17yid said:
Embarrassing thread which obviously wouldn’t exist if we drew or won yesterday.

Eriksen, Kane, Son and Alli can all change a game at the drop of a hat. How many “game changers” do you want?

That's not true. Many have been asking for a tricky winger type for ages.

Poch clearly wants this type of player as well. N'jie didn't work out and N'Koudou has not impressed. Many were asking for Zaha in the summer so to say this is only based on yesterday's result is nonsense.

Ironskullll · Oct 29, 2017

lukespurs7 said:
I know this has been said before but do the majority on here agree that we lack that game changer type of player with a bit of pace and trickery? That and/or a better back-up striker mabye with some pace.

For me, today’s game completely highlighted this. We were solid for the most part but without Kane, if Son isn’t on form we have very few players who can beat a man with a bit of pace and trickery and magic to open up teams in these tight big games. Chelsea have Hazard,Willian and Pedro, Lpool have Salah,Coutiniho and Mane, City have Sane,Aguero,Jesus,Sterling,Silva,KDB, Man.U don’t actually have that many which is why today’s game was so close BUT they do have Lukaku,Rashford,Pogba,mikerteryan AND Martial off the bench who won the game. Dare I say it we could do with that Bale type!

We have 4 top draw attacking players: Kane,Alli,Son,Eriksen but Alli not really consistent enough and only Son and Kane can really beat a man and score a goal or create a chance.

For me we lost today because we still lack this type of player. Also imagine if we’d been able to bring on Batsuayi instead of Llorente, I’m pretty sure his pace and movement would’ve given their defence something to think about as opposed to an ageing slow Llorente.

Really disappointing today as a draw would’ve been ok but losing again and again not really looking like scoring is not good enough if we really believe we want to and can win this league.

Poch has taken us so far but until we add 1-2 players like this I think we will fall short of the title.

Thoughts? Is this the answer, is it a lack of belief, it’s so hard to see us being so close but yet still actually not good enough to win a league or trophy. People keep saying how good we are but I think we are just not quite there yet to be honest.

I think we do have those game changers. What we really lack is goal scoring centre backs, and a really good dead ball specialist. Centre backs should surely contribute up to ten goals a season between them. Even the likes of Cahill do well. As for feee kicks and corners, we get loads and loads of them but just don't seem to get much from them, yet a high percentage of goals we concede seem to be from them.

Japhet · Oct 29, 2017

Must be close to Marcus Edwards getting a chance. Barkley will probably be coming in January and Lamela is almost ready for a return. What we lack is a coherent tactical plan for when Llorente comes on. We need to get crosses in the box when he's on rather than just carry on as we play with Kane on the pitch.

jimmy-jojo · Oct 29, 2017

Ironskullll said:
I think we do have those game changers. What we really lack is goal scoring centre backs, and a really good dead ball specialist. Centre backs should surely contribute up to ten goals a season between them. Even the likes of Cahill do well. As for feee kicks and corners, we get loads and loads of them but just don't seem to get much from them, yet a high percentage of goals we concede seem to be from them.

Almost everything you point out is untrue.

Last season the only team of the Top 6 that scored more set-piece goals than us was Chelsea. The only team to concede less set-piece goals than us was Arsenal.

Gary Cahill scored 6 goals last season...which was an anomaly as his usual tally 1-2 goals per season.

Edit: This season we are 2nd top scorers from set-pieces and have conceded only 2 goals from set-pieces in the league.

Gaz_Gammon · Oct 29, 2017

Lifeson said:
Splash the cash, get Wifried Zaha. Reckon he'd be a beast in our side. 1 on 1 he's one of the best in the league IMO.

He was outstanding against West ham. Has all the tools required, and Poch could make him a World beater. When i look at the thirty million we paid for Sissoko what's the big deal about spending another ten to fifteen on Zaha?

We have made some shocking decisions on player purchases over the years, and Sissoko ranks up there in a league of his own.

coys200 · Oct 29, 2017

As said we already have 4 or 5 game changers.But we do need pacey AM upgrade Nkoudou and a CM for depth.

E17yid · Oct 29, 2017

dontcallme said:
That's not true. Many have been asking for a tricky winger type for ages.

Poch clearly wants this type of player as well. N'jie didn't work out and N'Koudou has not impressed. Many were asking for Zaha in the summer so to say this is only based on yesterday's result is nonsense.

That’s different.

If the thread was called “We need a pacey winger coz Nkoudou ain’t good enough” then it would be less embarrassing. It would still be wrong, though. We didn’t lose yesterday because we didn’t have a fast bench warmer.

dontcallme · Oct 29, 2017

E17yid said:
That’s different.

If the thread was called “We need a pacey winger coz Nkoudou ain’t good enough” then it would be less embarrassing. It would still be wrong, though. We didn’t lose yesterday because we didn’t have a fast bench warmer.

The OP wasn't specifically talking about yesterday's game and clearly talks about the need for a quick winger type who can take players on.

So I have no idea what you are talking abiut.

E17yid · Oct 29, 2017

The idea that pace, in itself, constitutes a game changer is nonsense, too.

E17yid · Oct 29, 2017

dontcallme said:
The OP wasn't talking about yesterday's game and clearly talks about the need for a quick winger type who can take players on.

So I have no idea what you are talking abiut.

We have a pacey squad player who can take players on. He’s called Son. The only reason he started was because Kane was injured. Personally I’d have started Llorente but I can understand Poch’s thinking.

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