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stevenurse

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Before yesterday we hadn't lost a league game without Kane for 3 years or something.

Someone to replace GNK would be decent but that's where Lamela would come in. The bloke needs to get his head sorted or get out.
 

Gb160

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I should have written "would have been expensive", not sure it was a big enough mistake for you to highlight this amount of times as I explained what I meant.
Well yeah that makes more sense.
Don't think we'll be after anyone else, it was known quite early on that Ross would be out for ages and we didn't switch our interest to someone else.
I know it wasn't you that brought it up but he obviously didn't want to go to Chelsea, Arsenal haven't shown any interest to date and I think City will go for Sanchez.
Considering the length of contract, it's got Levy written all over it this one.
 

E17yid

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The fact you've twisted my words to make a pathetic point suggests you already work as a sports journo.

My point is Poch will spend big money even on squad players,something you suggested we wouldn't.

I'm out.

You were the one defending the OP saying lots of people have been saying for ages that we need a pacey speedy winger now you’re just saying we need an attacking mid. Like I say, I’m sure we’re on the lookout for loads of players in loads of positions but my whole thing in this stupid fucking thread is that it’s about finding the right player to fit within our budget and who might be ok with a rotational role. That isn’t easy.
 

jimmy-jojo

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Jesus Christ, I'll explain again.

The poster I was discussing with said we would not spend much on an attacking mid backup as we already have Son not playing regularly.

I pointed out we tried for Barkely in the summer. He would have been an expensive signing. We were also reportedly in for Mahrez, another expensive attacking mid. So the idea we won't spend in this position is untrue based on our actions in the summer.

You bringing up Barkley's contract length is a bit weird as we were trying for him when his price tag was high.

But we weren't willing to pay the prices the club's were wanting. Not sure how NOT signing two potentially expensive players proves your point?
 

dontcallme

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But we weren't willing to pay the prices the club's were wanting. Not sure how NOT signing two potentially expensive players proves your point?

Because we knew they would be expensive and tried for them anyway. Seems pretty clear.
 

jimmy-jojo

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Before yesterday we hadn't lost a league game without Kane for 3 years or something.

Someone to replace GNK would be decent but that's where Lamela would come in. The bloke needs to get his head sorted or get out.

Maybe people are fixating on the wrong player? Maybe the real loss has been Sanchez...?
 

Blake Griffin

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Aside from Kane, which teams in the "top six" would swap their midfielders for Dele or Eriksen? Which of them would give us one of their Salah, Mane, Courtinho, Sterling Sane, Diaz, Hazard, Bakayoko, Willian?

I am not complaining of the young talent we have, but "most in the league" wouldn't include those players mentioned above teams i think.

who?

also bakayoko is a rather random inclusion.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Yes,he’s great from deep but he can’t that often beat a man, go past them with pace etc. That game today at 0-0 was tailor made for a Hazard type player to change the game. Kane usually is the one who does that for us but other than him we don’t have anyone like that if Son isn’t on form.
So we have Kane, who you say can do this. And, we have Son, who you say can do this "when he is on form".

We have Lamela coming back, who has this capability in his bag.

Just exactly how many "Hazard type players" do you think we need, and can afford?
 

cider spurs

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So we have Kane, who you say can do this. And, we have Son, who you say can do this "when he is on form".

We have Lamela coming back, who has this capability in his bag.

Just exactly how many "Hazard type players" do you think we need, and can afford?

Erm...Er...

12









Give or take 10.
 

Japhet

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Weird that you have decided to completed ignore the point.

Sissoko was our record signing and Poch still had no problem benching him for the whole season. My point is Poch has shown he wants attacking mids and he won't hesitate to spend in areas for improvement even if they're not guaranteed to start.

If we bought Barkely or Zaha I could see them getting similar game time.


We offered Zaha mid tier money on our pay structure and he threw a strop. Palace put him on wages equal to our highest earners so I think that one's probably dead and buried.
 

lukespurs7

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So we have Kane, who you say can do this. And, we have Son, who you say can do this "when he is on form".

We have Lamela coming back, who has this capability in his bag.

Just exactly how many "Hazard type players" do you think we need, and can afford?
One more, hence the whole point of my thread and OP lol!
Also disagree Lamela is at the correct level required.
 

lukespurs7

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mate not being funny, but to have a Mane, Coutinho, Salah, Hazard William, Pedro, or any of the players you have mentioned so far we would NEED to up our pay structure, we would then have to find a starting place for them. The last 2 seasons Alli, Eriksen, Son have been the players that have got us to where we are. Son has been okay with rotation, but we're rumours he might go before the end of last seasons transfer window due to game time. to find one of those players we need to find one that's out there that's willing to accept bench time. you start sticking Alli (even though he could do with some bench time) and Eriksen on the bench too often, they will be off.

also the same with the pacey skilful forward in place of Kane when he is injured, who do you suggest? Batshuyi isn't happy sitting on the bench at Chelsea. no forward that's class enough isn't going to want to sign knowing we have Kane in front of them.

all the top other teams have one thing in their favour, MONEY to pay them for sitting on the bench
All very good points mate, I agree it’s about getting the balance right and perhaps you’re correct that until we have more money we won’t be able to pay that quality of player to sit on our bench. I just think yesterday was another example of squad strength not nessercarily depth. We bring on a dembele and Llorente both good players , man.u bring on Lingard and Martial, Martial scores the winner. Issue is Llorente doesn’t suit our play and Dembele won’t score a goal for us so again just like last year in FA cup semi at 2-2 Chelsea bring on hazard and costa and win the game 4-2. Lamela coming back from injury should help as would Barkley if we can sign him but a player of quality with pace would be nice, I really wish we’d got demari Gray, there is a decent player there better than GKN I’m pretty certain of that.
 

lukespurs7

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I was happy to see Martial on the bench. For me he is their best talent. Great close control, balance, cool finisher. He is the type of forward who puts fear into the opponent.

We have Son who can beat players from the wing. But he got subbed.

We could do with another because in tight games you need to have something up your sleeve to open it up. They subbed Rashford for Martial - two speedy dribblers. We sub ours for a target man. And we still played the same passing game rather than hitting it up to Llorente.
100% this. Spot on fella.
 

spurs9

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I think doing one good pass won’t have as much impact on a game as say a Hazard or Bale picking up the ball and running at teams, shooting, crossing and opening up space 3/4 times in a game. The good pass is one way of doing it but we need a game changer who can also stretch teams. I’d say in his prime with us Bale is a gamechanger, Sane at City,Hazard/Willian at Chelsea, Coutiniho/Salah/Mane at Liverpool, Eriksen is more of a Fabregas type game changer.
LIverpool had 2 of those "game changers" you mention on the pitch at the same time v Utd a couple of weeks ago yet didn't score.
 

dontcallme

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LIverpool had 2 of those "game changers" you mention on the pitch at the same time v Utd a couple of weeks ago yet didn't score.

What's your point?

We shouln't buy game changers because a team had two and failed to score in a game?
 

Nebby

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We need to replace GKN, Sissoko, Lamela and Llorente. Not sure that Barkley is deserving of the hype.
 

spurs9

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What's your point?

We shouln't buy game changers because a team had two and failed to score in a game?
The point is we have "game changers" in Eriksen, Alli, Son, Lamela and Kane, it's just as with Liverpool's "game changers" v Utd, the ones that played didn't produce, it happens.
 

spurs9

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We need to replace GKN, Sissoko, Lamela and Llorente. Not sure that Barkley is deserving of the hype.
I agree with at least 2 of those (Llorente has only just got here) but Lamela is our most productive player v the top 6.
 

dontcallme

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The point is we have "game changers" in Eriksen, Alli, Son, Lamela and Kane, it's just as with Liverpool's "game changers" v Utd, the ones that played didn't produce, it happens.

I think it is generally accepted that no team will every game and no matter how good your attack is there will be games where you don't score.

Looking at our attacking optionsI believe we are one player short in the quick player who can take players on. Thhis is dueto N'Koudou not performing.

I beleive this is the kind of player we should be looking to purchase. Even if we do find the right player this will not gurantee unlocking every defence, but I think for most that is a given.
 
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