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aussiespursguy

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Farbrace came across as the cricketing version of chemical Ali

How this tour pans out has been obvious for at least a year, a sound thrashing usually followed by a spate of retirements. Nasser said something the other day which I’ve wondered myself. Why don’t cricket teams ever pick teams for the conditions. If it isn’t going to seam or swing then having bowlers who strongly rely on that is about as useful as tits on a bull.

I fully expect to wake up in the morning to find the match over and look forward to seeing what spin chemical farbrace puts on it.
So you wont be watching? :whistle:
 

aussiespursguy

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James Vince, you are the unluckiest person on the planet after getting a delivery even Bradman using a barn door couldn't get close to.

 

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Farbrace came across as the cricketing version of chemical Ali

How this tour pans out has been obvious for at least a year, a sound thrashing usually followed by a spate of retirements. Nasser said something the other day which I’ve wondered myself. Why don’t cricket teams ever pick teams for the conditions. If it isn’t going to seam or swing then having bowlers who strongly rely on that is about as useful as tits on a bull.

I fully expect to wake up in the morning to find the match over and look forward to seeing what spin chemical farbrace puts on it.

Well we don't have the bowlers to pick for these conditions. It isn't like we are leaving out a couple of rapid bowlers so Overton and Woakes can play. Who would you pick to replace the bowlers?
 

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Well we don't have the bowlers to pick for these conditions. It isn't like we are leaving out a couple of rapid bowlers so Overton and Woakes can play. Who would you pick to replace the bowlers?

Oh here we go afuckinggain..........This old chestnut. Well, Plunkett for a start. Possibly Wood too. What's happened to Finn? Probably out of form I guess. But in some of those cases they've been pigeonholed into one day specialists which is what's happened to Morgan and Buttler= at least one of which, possibly both, would likely have made a better fist of things than the current "collapsables" are doing.

But that wasn't my point. The point is we don't have many options, not that I'm some sort of cricket genius with all the answers, it's also asking why we (and most others cricket teams) don't usually select players who they know will be suited by the conditions expected. Not even in the squad. :D

It's also something we need to encourage in county cricket. Spin and Pace. Then we might start to get a few more options.

I also reserve the right to lash out and vent in here :)
 
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dondo

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An excellent three part series has just finished screening after each days play here in Australia. Called "Forged in Fire" it takes a close look at 4 ashes series. Players from both sides were interviewed and it really does show both the feeling both countries have toward the series, but also some of the lighter sides of the game. Some fair sledges from both sides to to be honest.

It really is well worth a watch.



Big shout out to David "Bumbles" Lloyd as well. We really do love the guy here in Australia. Such a funny guy.



Thanks for sharing, great watch
 
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Oh here we go afuckinggain..........This old chestnut. Well, Plunkett for a start. Possibly Wood too. What's happened to Finn? Probably out of form I guess. But in some of those cases they've been pigeonholed into one day specialists which is what's happened to Morgan and Buttler= at least one of which, possibly both, would likely have made a better fist of things than the current "collapsables" are doing.

But that wasn't my point. The point is we don't have many options, not that I'm some sort of cricket genius with all the answers, it's also asking why we (and most others cricket teams) don't usually select players who they know will be suited by the conditions expected. Not even in the squad. :D

It's also something we need to encourage in county cricket. Spin and Pace. Then we might start to get a few more options.

I also reserve the right to lash out and vent in here :)
I think Finn is injured.

As someone who follows the county championship there isn't a lot of genuinely fast English quicks around, throw in the fact that over the two divisions there are alot of ex internationals playing the young talent doesn't always come through.

Best bet is to look at the Yorkshires, Surreys and Notts of this world to see what's in the cupboard when it comes to pace.

As for spin, Jack Leach was unlucky to be over looked for this tour as he has been a fantastic spinner for Somerset but he may have had his bowling action looked at at least once in the last year. Other than that the fact Crane hasn't had a look in seems odd to me. He played grade cricket out in Aus last winter and coped ... Still to this day toughest form of cricket to play anywhere in the world in my book, always open to being corrected.

Blazing pace will always be a part of this fine game, just a shame the cupboard seems so bare.
 

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This whole tour has been absolutely embarrassing by England. The rookies have shown some fight but the senior players seem to be there for a holiday.
 

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The England cricket team surrender so quickly that they are the only team in the world with sunburnt armpits.
 
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aussiespursguy

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Well the old urn is back in Aussie hands for 18 months. I guess we should enjoy it while it lasts. We can play in England so you will get it back soon enough!
 

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:hungover: Tripe.

Well done Australia.

England need new coaches and some new players...from somewhere. The new guys like Malan and Overton have been decent. Stoneman and Vince reasonable enough too.

Farbrace and Bayliss should be left down under.
 

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There is a lot of transition on the horizon for this England side. Cook looks like he doesn't want to be there, Jimmy is still our most skilful bowler but with nothing of any danger at the other end the teams can just play him out and not take any risks. Broad is done for me, 0/145 in the first innings here and to be honest he's not even good enough to be a number 11 bat anymore (not all his fault, taking that one through the grill a few years ago has really ruined him), Woakes used to bowl the quickest out of all the bowlers but coming back from a side injury he's looked pretty unthreatening apart from in the pink ball test.

Would like to see us use next summer as a bit experimental, part of the beauty of Test cricket is picking players that don't necessarily set the world alight in the county game but who have the temperament/technique for the longer format. Vince is not one of those players. Malan has been the shining light really, Stoneman has battled hard too but it cant be easy being the opening batsmen when you know you are going to be 20/1 after the first 5 overs.

All in all, pretty embarrassing for us, and the coaching staff need to take a hard look at themselves, some of the selections in the squad were pretty uninspiring (Balance) and we don't seem to have addressed the problem that we can no longer even draw a test, we either win comfortably or get hooned out of sight. We have improved a lot in ODI and T20 cricket but I'm not sure we are even as good a Test side as we were before him and Farbrace took over.

No point talking about the Stokes shaped elephant in the room.

Fair play to the Aussies, I was wary of their bowling attack if we let them get on their game and they have proved what a world class unit they can be when things are going for them.
 

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I expect the poms will make a few changes for the 4th test, Broad and Ali must be on thin ice

I think Cook's experience may be the only reason he keeps his spot.

Poms need pace, these plodders just dont have the ammunition to penetrate on our flat pitches, Anderson cant do it all on his own.
 

Gb160

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Really disappointing.
I think one of the main problems with English sport (Football,Cricket,Rugby,Athletics) in general is that we've managed to achieve good status at most of them, but we dont really excel at any of them.
We're a Jack of all trades, but a master of none.
 

aussiespursguy

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There is a lot of transition on the horizon for this England side. Cook looks like he doesn't want to be there, Jimmy is still our most skilful bowler but with nothing of any danger at the other end the teams can just play him out and not take any risks. Broad is done for me, 0/145 in the first innings here and to be honest he's not even good enough to be a number 11 bat anymore (not all his fault, taking that one through the grill a few years ago has really ruined him), Woakes used to bowl the quickest out of all the bowlers but coming back from a side injury he's looked pretty unthreatening apart from in the pink ball test.

Would like to see us use next summer as a bit experimental, part of the beauty of Test cricket is picking players that don't necessarily set the world alight in the county game but who have the temperament/technique for the longer format. Vince is not one of those players. Malan has been the shining light really, Stoneman has battled hard too but it cant be easy being the opening batsmen when you know you are going to be 20/1 after the first 5 overs.

All in all, pretty embarrassing for us, and the coaching staff need to take a hard look at themselves, some of the selections in the squad were pretty uninspiring (Balance) and we don't seem to have addressed the problem that we can no longer even draw a test, we either win comfortably or get hooned out of sight. We have improved a lot in ODI and T20 cricket but I'm not sure we are even as good a Test side as we were before him and Farbrace took over.

No point talking about the Stokes shaped elephant in the room.

Fair play to the Aussies, I was wary of their bowling attack if we let them get on their game and they have proved what a world class unit they can be when things are going for them.
And there in lies the problem Bear. T20 in particular has changed the game. The important thing is getting the players with aggression intergrated into the test team. You have managed it with Stokes, but we know how that's turned out. We have it with Warner, Smith ( who played more 1 days before he made the Test team) and Mitch Marsh. It can be done and you have a butt load of talent in your T20 ranks. The key is fining someone who can just temper it to suit the game. I'm sure your not far off.
 

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"We haven't been blown away. We've not been completely outplayed. We've put up some really good performances, just not for long enough, simple as that, really." - Joe Root.

Uhmm.
 

Gb160

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"We haven't been blown away. We've not been completely outplayed. We've put up some really good performances, just not for long enough, simple as that, really." - Joe Root.

Uhmm.
Baffling comments really.
 
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