Toby Aldeweireld - Where Is His Contract Extension ?

Led's Zeppelin · Dec 31, 2017

piedpiper said:
History suggests its a fait accompli.. Factored with him not signing a new deal.....so no its not a over-reaction. Its there for all to see.

No, it's not. He hasn't yet signed an extension. And wealthy clubs would love to sign him. That much we know, but no more. And the second part applies to virtually all our players.

So it's just a matter of how you interpret what we know. (It also disregards anything Toby has said himself.)

You may of course be correct but it's that unwavering certainty that he's leaving, and unwillingness to consider any other possibility, that makes it an over-reaction.

Mullers · Dec 31, 2017

am_yisrael_chai said:
Whichever side of the "we need to sign players" debate you might be I can't understand why we haven't concluded a contract extension for Toby. It's all very well to tell the media Poch is happy with the squad and we aren't going to join the transfer madness, we have a stadium to build etc. but I just can't see any excuse for why we haven't concluded Toby's contract extension. This for me is the most concerning aspect of our lack of player activity this summer. There is no other club to negotiate with so really no excuses. This is just down to Levy. If he can't get this done we really should be deeply worried.

You've taken a hell of a lot of stick. Well done for keeping your nerve and seeing it through. (y)

Cornpattbuck · Dec 31, 2017

fletch82 said:
It's citeh they want all the players

In fairness pep and jose have performed quite the double act on us this season
Why be better when you can make your rivals worse with your bottomless pot of gold .
Ffp my arse.

To be fair, us and Arsenal. They've been constantly linked to taking Sanchez and Ozil too. Clearly got their puppets in the press working just as hard as their bank managers.

coys200 · Dec 31, 2017

Said in transfer thread. Highly unlikely club will do any new contracts till new TV deal is announced in February. Will be a major factor in what we offer.

am_yisrael_chai · Dec 31, 2017

Mullers said:
You've taken a hell of a lot of stick. Well done for keeping your nerve and seeing it through.

Trust me it’s one topic I really wished I was wrong about, still hoping to offer a huge mea culpa when someone posts the picture of Poch with his arm around Toby. (y)

piedpiper · Dec 31, 2017

Led's Zeppelin said:
No, it's not. He hasn't yet signed an extension. And wealthy clubs would love to sign him. That much we know, but no more. And the second part applies to virtually all our players.

So it's just a matter of how you interpret what we know. (It also disregards anything Toby has said himself.)

You may of course be correct but it's that unwavering certainty that he's leaving, and unwillingness to consider any other possibility, that makes it an over-reaction.

Yes i think he will leave. A Itk seems to suggest it too.

But IF he stays i would be over the moon.
Butvim doubtful on that score.

Donki · Dec 31, 2017

@am_yisrael_chai

I cant find the post where your criticising Levy for not getting a contract extension done, but I have one question. What if Toby simply doesn't want to sign a new contract with us?

am_yisrael_chai · Dec 31, 2017

Donki said:
@am_yisrael_chai

I cant find the post where your criticising Levy for not getting a contract extension done, but I have one question. What if Toby simply doesn't want to sign a new contract with us?

That doesn’t seem to be the case based on any of the pronouncements by Toby, his agent or Poch. It seems quite clear he just wants a higher salary. See just one article with quotes from his agent.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4693655/toby-alderweireld-tottenham-contract/

Now of course we’ve had one CB in our history who said similar things only to be blatantly lying and wanting to leave for free but I refuse to believe Toby is a Judas ****.

I also think that if he had told the club he wasn’t going to sign regardless that he would have been sold in the summer.

Led's Zeppelin · Dec 31, 2017

Donki said:
@am_yisrael_chai

I cant find the post where your criticising Levy for not getting a contract extension done, but I have one question. What if Toby simply doesn't want to sign a new contract with us?

There are loads of plausible scenarios to explain why no contract extension offer is yet on the table, and they are by no means all negative. We don't know what is happening.

The last time Toby actually spoke about it in public a couple of months ago he said he wasn't even thinking about it, he's quite happy, he's committed to Tottenham and he leaves all that sort of thing to his advisors anyway. And there's loads of time.

Yes, it could all be bollocks and bullshit. So could everything. Even a new extended contract means little if someone like Man City offers to double his wages along with a record-high transfer in six month's time.

We know there's an awkward release clause to be sorted out. That's not something you resolve by smacking offers on the table to be accepted or rejected, it's something you work out by talking about and working out various possibilities until you come up with something that makes sense to everyone, at which point you formalise it in an offer.

Off course this may not be what is happening, he may be determined to leave. But the truth is, none of us knows. We're just guessing. He may be about to leave, but it's a guess. The fact that Man City might be "circling" as Trix quite reasonably suggests does not mean that he is about to leave, any more than Harry and Dele are about to join RM or Rose is off to Man Utd or Bale is coming back to Spurs. It's all gossip and guesswork at this stage.

I'm not predicting he is staying. But I don't for one minute believe that Levy isn't trying to plan what is best for Spurs. The idea that he doesn't recognise Toby's importance to the team, which is what lots of people seem to be saying when they say "just pay him what he's worth", like they do with Harry, is just a sort of emotional panic isn't it?

Donki · Dec 31, 2017

am_yisrael_chai said:
That doesn’t seem to be the case based on any of the pronouncements by Toby, his agent or Poch. It seems quite clear he just wants a higher salary. See just one article with quotes from his agent.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4693655/toby-alderweireld-tottenham-contract/

Now of course we’ve had one CB in our history who said similar things only to be blatantly lying and wanting to leave for free but I refuse to believe Toby is a Judas ****.

I also think that if he had told the club he wasn’t going to sign regardless that he would have been sold in the summer.

The thing is as I have said, he wants a release clause for a reason, that reason is he would more than consider a move to a bigger club. I am pretty sure that this is the problem, Levy doesn't want to give up a signing on bonus and a higher wage for him just to run off once his buyout clause is met, we know Levy is no mug.

Oh and I love Toby too but look what he did to Southampton, a club where he basically rebuild his career.

Mullers · Dec 31, 2017

Led's Zeppelin said:
There are loads of plausible scenarios to explain why no contract extension offer is yet on the table, and they are by no means all negative. We don't know what is happening.

The last time Toby actually spoke about it in public a couple of months ago he said he wasn't even thinking about it, he's quite happy, he's committed to Tottenham and he leaves all that sort of thing to his advisors anyway. And there's loads of time.

Yes, it could all be bollocks and bullshit. So could everything. Even a new extended contract means little if someone like Man City offers to double his wages along with a record-high transfer in six month's time.

We know there's an awkward release clause to be sorted out. That's not something you resolve by smacking offers on the table to be accepted or rejected, it's something you work out by talking about and working out various possibilities until you come up with something that makes sense to everyone, at which point you formalise it in an offer.

Off course this may not be what is happening, he may be determined to leave. But the truth is, none of us knows. We're just guessing. He may be about to leave, but it's a guess. The fact that Man City might be "circling" as Trix quite reasonably suggests does not mean that he is about to leave, any more than Harry and Dele are about to join RM or Rose is off to Man Utd or Bale is coming back to Spurs. It's all gossip and guesswork at this stage.

I'm not predicting he is staying. But I don't for one minute believe that Levy isn't trying to plan what is best for Spurs. The idea that he doesn't recognise Toby's importance to the team, which is what lots of people seem to be saying when they say "just pay him what he's worth", like they do with Harry, is just a sort of emotional panic isn't it?

He might think it's in the best interests of Spurs to sell him and bring a new young defender in, instead. Considering that Adebayor was on a 100 grand a week and Sissoko is allegedly on 95 grand a week, it's a legitimate comment from people to say, pay him what he's worth.

Led's Zeppelin · Dec 31, 2017

Mullers said:
He might think it's in the best interests of Spurs to sell him and bring a new young defender in, instead. Considering that Adebayor was on a 100 grand a week and Sissoko is allegedly on 95 grand a week, it's a legitimate comment from people to say, pay him what he's worth.

Yes indeed, and I've never suggested otherwise.

But again, that involves guessing that he's refusing to pay him more. I'd like to see Levy offer Toby a big new contract and for him to accept straight away. But we are only guessing as to the reasons why that hasn't happened and it seems to me that some people are very eager to assume the worst and convince themselves that it's the only possible explanation.

Mullers · Dec 31, 2017

Led's Zeppelin said:
Yes indeed, and I've never suggested otherwise.

But again, that involves guessing that he's refusing to pay him more. I'd like to see Levy offer Toby a big new contract and for him to accept straight away. But we are only guessing as to the reasons why that hasn't happened and it seems to me that some people are very eager to assume the worst and convince themselves that it's the only possible explanation.

What he said back in May;
“DL [Levy] said all players were under contracts, contracts they were happy to sign at the time.

“They would be expected to honour those contracts. They wouldn’t have had a reduction if things had gone badly. DL said no player would be sold who Tottenham didn’t want to sell for non-footballing reasons.”
http://www.90min.com/posts/4979469-...d-improved-contracts-because-of-record-season
That's why people are thinking the worst.

seanwhite1961 · Dec 31, 2017

Tucker said:
Because they are funded by the dictatorial absolute monarchy of a sovereign state?

They literally have unlimited money.

They are like someone who has the cheat codes on football manager.

Worth noting they haven't paid out the highest transfer fees:

Mendy £52m; Walker £50m; Stones £45m

Whereas United, Chelsea & Liverpool:

Pogba £90m; Lukaku £75m(up to £90m); Morata £60m; VVD £75m

seanwhite1961 · Dec 31, 2017

Donki said:
The thing is as I have said, he wants a release clause for a reason, that reason is he would more than consider a move to a bigger club. I am pretty sure that this is the problem, Levy doesn't want to give up a signing on bonus and a higher wage for him just to run off once his buyout clause is met, we know Levy is no mug.

Oh and I love Toby too but look what he did to Southampton, a club where he basically rebuild his career.

What did he do to Southampton, apart from make the team better? He was on a one year loan from Atleti, then chose to move to Tottenham.

Led's Zeppelin · Dec 31, 2017

Mullers said:
What he said back in May;
“DL [Levy] said all players were under contracts, contracts they were happy to sign at the time.

“They would be expected to honour those contracts. They wouldn’t have had a reduction if things had gone badly. DL said no player would be sold who Tottenham didn’t want to sell for non-footballing reasons.”
http://www.90min.com/posts/4979469-...d-improved-contracts-because-of-record-season
That's why people are thinking the worst.

Do you really think so?

I don't. I think they assume that Levy is a short-sighted tight-arse who would rather lose one of his best players than pay him what he's worth. If they are basing that on the statement above, they are misreading it in my opinion.

Still they may be correct, but I see no evidence beyond guesswork at this stage.

Donki · Dec 31, 2017

seanwhite1961 said:
What did he do to Southampton, apart from make the team better? He was on a one year loan from Atleti, then chose to move to Tottenham.

I’m pretty sure they were discussing a perminant move for him and had some kind of agreement in place when we “swooped”. Honestly if City came in for him do you honestly think he wouldn’t be incredibly interested?

coys200 · Dec 31, 2017

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Pochettino: "This is a message for our fans and for everyone, he still has two-and-half-years of contract. Daniel Levy said to me do not worry. It is two-and-half years."

coys200 · Dec 31, 2017

So he has 2.5 years then. Till 2020 don’t really get what all the fuss is about . He will then be 31.

ardiles · Dec 31, 2017

coys200 said:
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Pochettino: "This is a message for our fans and for everyone, he still has two-and-half-years of contract. Daniel Levy said to me do not worry. It is two-and-half years."

Here’s the article from the Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/dec/31/mauricio-pochettino-toby-alderweireld-contract

Mauricio Pochettino has sought to reassure the Tottenham Hotspur support over the future of Toby Alderweireld, urging them to stay calm and put their trust in the chairman, Daniel Levy.

Alderweireld’s contract contains a one-year extension option, which is scheduled to activate in the summer of 2019 and would see him contracted until 2020. But it also features a £25m release clause. In the summer of 2019, the central defender would be permitted to leave if a rival club were to pay £25m and complete the transfer at least 14 days before the closure of the window.

The 28-year-old earns a basic wage of £50,000 a week at Tottenham and he wants a substantial rise in what could well be his last major contract. Pochettino said in December 2016 that negotiations over a new deal had started but there has yet to be a breakthrough.

The release clause has made some fans edgy but Pochettino fails to see why. The manager made the point that Lionel Messi only signed his Barcelona contract at the end of November to replace a deal that was set to expire in the summer of 2018.

“This is a message for our fans and for everyone: Toby still has two-and-a-half years of contract,” Pochettino said. “Messi was six months left on his contract. Messi! If something happens [on Alderweireld], the club is going to communicate. But I don’t understand all these things when the players are all under contract.”

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