Harry Kane

guiltyparty · Jan 8, 2018

dontcallme said:
So when do you think he'll leave?

As I say, depends on lots of factors. We could win the league next year; similarly Poch could be poached by Madrid. Both have hugely different outcomes

But this idea that he’ll definitely stay, or definitely leave for that matter, it’s all guesses. If I had to put a date on it, I don’t think he’ll still be at Spurs when he’s 27 unless we’ve won something significant and are kicking on, but to be honest, for me all bets are off once we move to the new stadium

tiger666 · Jan 8, 2018

Guntz said:
Kane: “If a player wants to go then why would you stop him? He’s not going to be in the club, he’s not going to want to play every game, he’s not going to put his heart on the line.”

Doesn't sound good unfortunately, but cannot blame him.

It sounds perfectly fine.

guiltyparty · Jan 8, 2018

danielneeds said:
What do we do to “match his ambition”? As far as I can tell the only way to “guarantee” trophies would be to outspend City and PSG. And that’s not going to happen. He could move to Real next year and not get a sniff of the CL for years with the way those two are set up, and with Barca reinvigorating their team in La Liga.

All we can do is have a genuine plan to show him we are trying to be smarter than other clubs, and building something worth believing in.

Yeah and be prepared when none of that matters. You may have just hit the nail on the head - sometimes there’s nothing you can do

dagraham · Jan 8, 2018

Fowl! said:
I've got an idea.

Harry can win the World Cup this summer.

Even though I'm sure you're not being serious, even if we had the slightest chance of doing something at the World Cup Harry is going to be knackered by the end of the season.

SpartanSpur · Jan 8, 2018

WiganSpur said:
I reckon we've got 2 and a half years to win or achieve something notable before he will start to question whether he wants to stay here.

I know he loves us but I find it hard to believe a man of his talent won't want to win something at some point.

Possibly even 1 and a half. If we can make the CL quarters that will probably be enough of a sign of progress this year, regardless of final league position, as well as a deep FA Cup run (draw permitting).

Definitely seems to be a united front between Poch and Kane to tell Daniel not to rest on his laurels due to Kane's love for the club, which is 100% the right move. Massive summer ahead.

Although the media are predictably trying to spin this as a negative I'm not taking it this way at all. I think we've got 18 months to prove to Harry we are still on the right track, and that's bloody good for us considering the level he is currently at.

bat-chain · Jan 8, 2018

Feel it is a bit sad if he is buying into the 'it's what you win myth' that defines you.

No one thinks Andy Cole is a better striker than Shearer because he collected a few pots, no one thinks Jack Rodwell is better than Dele because he's got a PL medal, Le Tissier, Ginola, Totti. Numerous class players who will be remember and talked about for years.

Phil Neville has got a trophy collection that most would kill for but no one will remember him or talk about him in 20 years. People will remember Messi and Ronaldo because they are exceptional players, what they win has little to do with it. Kane will always be defined in history as an exceptional top level player because he is one.

If Kane stays at Spurs and lifts us up as a club it will say more about his ability than a ton of medals ever could.

tiger666 · Jan 8, 2018

dagraham said:
Even though I'm sure you're not being serious, even if we had the slightest chance of doing something at the World Cup Harry is going to be knackered by the end of the season.

He's playing as much as many other top players in Europe. Lewandowski, Messi, Ronaldo, Lukaku (lol), Cavani have all played about as much as him and he's younger than a lot of them. He's fine.

dagraham · Jan 8, 2018

tiger666 said:
He's playing as much as many other top players in Europe. Lewandowski, Messi, Ronaldo, Lukaku (lol), Cavani have all played about as much as him and he's younger than a lot of them. He's fine.

Maybe, but you forget the rigours of the PL are more than other European leagues. They are less physical, less demanding and they also have a winter break.

I don’t think it’s the only reason, but I genuinely believe the high intensity of the PL knackers England players out for major tournaments.

danielneeds · Jan 8, 2018

The biggest thing all of us have to do is not get too caught up in the "will he, won't he" bullshit. Let's just enjoy him, because he's a once in a lifetime player. As Poch says, the future is fluid and impossible to predict. Let's just cherish every goal and performance.

tiger666 · Jan 8, 2018

danielneeds said:
The biggest thing all of us have to do is not get too caught up in the "will he, won't he" bullshit. Let's just enjoy him, because he's a once in a lifetime player. As Poch says, the future is fluid and impossible to predict. Let's just cherish every goal and performance.

Is the right answer.

ljinko888 · Jan 8, 2018

bat-chain said:
Feel it is a bit sad if he is buying into the 'it's what you win myth' that defines you.

No one thinks Andy Cole is a better striker than Shearer because he collected a few pots, no one thinks Jack Rodwell is better than Dele because he's got a PL medal, Le Tissier, Ginola, Totti. Numerous class players who will be remember and talked about for years.

Phil Neville has got a trophy collection that most would kill for but no one will remember him or talk about him in 20 years. People will remember Messi and Ronaldo because they are exceptional players, what they win has little to do with it. Kane will always be defined in history as an exceptional top level player because he is one.

If Kane stays at Spurs and lifts us up as a club it will say more about his ability than a ton of medals ever could.

I don't think he is saying that

This group isn't that young anymore where winning hearts and plaudits gets you by. Critics judge us as one of the top teams and now the players will too. It's part of the process.

He wants to achieve his goals with Spurs. That's been his dream and he believes we are close but now is the time to push on.

WiganSpur · Jan 8, 2018

SpartanSpur said:
Possibly even 1 and a half. If we can make the CL quarters that will probably be enough of a sign of progress this year, regardless of final league position, as well as a deep FA Cup run (draw permitting).

Definitely seems to be a united front between Poch and Kane to tell Daniel not to rest on his laurels due to Kane's love for the club, which is 100% the right move. Massive summer ahead.

Although the media are predictably trying to spin this as a negative I'm not taking it this way at all. I think we've got 18 months to prove to Harry we are still on the right track, and that's bloody good for us considering the level he is currently at.

I know it gets said a lot but I really do think this summer is bigger than the last one. Playing at Wembley was always going to hold us back a little but next season we don't have any excuses. If there's a time to go for quality, it's now.

I say spend what we earn on transfers but up the wage budget considerably.

Sensible way of managing the finances would be to sell the likes of Sissoko, Janssen, Nkoudou, Trippier, Dembele and Llorente who are all likely on considerable wages. Should be £50-60m there to spend on one or two good players whilst bringing through youngsters such as Onomah, Edwards and KWP. Would free up the wage budget to offer big hikes to our best players then we won't have to rely to much on increased gate receipts.

Honestly think as long as any first teamers don't leave us all we need is a top CM and a forward player if we don't think Llorente is up to it.

Hazardousman · Jan 8, 2018

danielneeds said:
What do we do to “match his ambition”? As far as I can tell the only way to “guarantee” trophies would be to outspend City and PSG. And that’s not going to happen. He could move to Real next year and not get a sniff of the CL for years with the way those two are set up, and with Barca reinvigorating their team in La Liga.

All we can do is have a genuine plan to show him we are trying to be smarter than other clubs, and building something worth believing in.

How do we match his ambition? Win trophies, that simple, does not matter how we do it, it just needs to be done.

If the only way is to spend ludicrous amounts of money then that is what we will have to do (although money doesn't always guarantee trophies it more often than not does result in them eventually.)

It might hurt to hear that or upset people but players aren't going to just stick around based on hopes and promises, people keep deluding themselves into believing that players will stay here their entire careers because we have a "long term project" the same players that are getting older every season and still have no medals to show for it and that's not even touching on the fact that some of them will simply want to earn more money.

Kane has said numerous times, as long as we are on an upwards trajectory and winning trophies he has no reason to move, so that is what we have to be doing, by any means possible.

We can't operate like a 6th placed club if we want to be the best club in the world, only a fool would believe that.

I am hoping once the stadium is built the purse strings will loosen, our wage structure will increase and then we can start buying quality that will take us to the next level and by doing so players like Kane and more importantly, our supporters will get the trophies they want/deserve.

Basically I am simply saying, we all know what needs to be done to keep Kane here, the question is, can we do it?

tiger666 · Jan 8, 2018

Hazardousman said:
Kane has said numerous times, as long as we are on an upwards trajectory and winning trophies he has no reason to move, so that is what we have to be doing, by any means possible

"keep progressing, keep getting better, we want to start winning trophies. That’s the aim, as long as the club keep doing that then, yeah I’m happy here."

I read that more as progressing and challenging for trophies rather than, win trophies or i'm off.

danielneeds · Jan 8, 2018

Hazardousman said:
How do we match his ambition? Win trophies, that simple, does not matter how we do it, it just needs to be done.

If the only way is to spend ludicrous amounts of money then that is what we will have to do (although money doesn't always guarantee trophies it more often than not does result in them eventually.)

It might hurt to hear that or upset people but players aren't going to just stick around based on hopes and promises, people keep deluding themselves into believing that players will stay here their entire careers because we have a "long term project" the same players that are getting older every season and still have no medals to show for it and that's not even touching on the fact that some of them will simply want to earn more money.

Kane has said numerous times, as long as we are on an upwards trajectory and winning trophies he has no reason to move, so that is what we have to be doing, by any means possible.

We can't operate like a 6th placed club if we want to be the best club in the world, only a fool would believe that.

I am hoping once the stadium is built the purse strings will loosen, our wage structure will increase and then we can start buying quality that will take us to the next level and by doing so players like Kane and more importantly, our supporters will get the trophies they want/deserve.

Basically I am simply saying, we all know what needs to be done to keep Kane here, the question is, can we do it?

We can't though. If we spend £200m, then City will spend £300m, if we offer £250k a week, they'll offer £350k a week. There is no point getting into a spending arms race with them. We'll lose.

Ultimately we need a bit of luck for that elusive trophy. City to have an off day in the FA Cup this year and get knocked out, us using our Wembley familiarity to our advantage in the semis and final, etc. The first trophy is always the hardest for any group.

Hazardousman · Jan 8, 2018

danielneeds said:
The biggest thing all of us have to do is not get too caught up in the "will he, won't he" bullshit. Let's just enjoy him, because he's a once in a lifetime player. As Poch says, the future is fluid and impossible to predict. Let's just cherish every goal and performance.

I do agree with you but like you say, he is a once in a lifetime player, the kind of player that is truly irreplaceable.

If we lose Kane it would set us back more than any other transfer has in my lifetime at least, it would be devastating for us.

He is in a very small class of players, 3-5, two of which are Messi and Ronaldo, enjoy him by all means but people are right to be concerned about us losing him and what the implications of that might be.

Ultimately, I do agree though, we as fans are powerless.

Hazardousman · Jan 8, 2018

tiger666 said:
"keep progressing, keep getting better, we want to start winning trophies. That’s the aim, as long as the club keep doing that then, yeah I’m happy here."

I read that more as progressing and challenging for trophies rather than, win trophies or i'm off.

I wish I could share your optimism mate but I find it very hard to believe he will be here if we haven't won at least one trophy in the next 2 seasons.

I think he is happy here as long as we are progressing and challenging for trophies every season (obviously it's impossible to win them every season) but I don't think he will be hanging around if we haven't at least won something in the next few seasons.

I hope I am wrong though.

Hazardousman · Jan 8, 2018

danielneeds said:
We can't though. If we spend £200m, then City will spend £300m, if we offer £250k a week, they'll offer £350k a week. There is no point getting into a spending arms race with them. We'll lose.

Ultimately we need a bit of luck for that elusive trophy. City to have an off day in the FA Cup this year and get knocked out, us using our Wembley familiarity to our advantage in the semis and final, etc. The first trophy is always the hardest for any group.

Not disagreeing with you, I am just saying it as I personally see it, we can't match City for spending (at least not yet) but I personally feel that is the only way we will have sustained success.

Every team needs a little luck, even City but that requirement for luck becomes smaller the more talented your squad becomes and we can't always rely on finding gems like Kane and Alli because the problem with that is by the time we have found the next one the others have likely already left.

Money has ruined football imo, sad but true.

danielneeds · Jan 8, 2018

Hazardousman said:
I do agree with you but like you say, he is a once in a lifetime player, the kind of player that is truly irreplaceable.

If we lose Kane it would set us back more than any other transfer has in my lifetime at least, it would be devastating for us.

He is in a very small class of players, 3-5, two of which are Messi and Ronaldo, enjoy him by all means but people are right to be concerned about us losing him and what the implications of that might be.

Ultimately, I do agree though, we as fans are powerless.

I agree it would be devastating. The same with Poch. Losing those two would set us back. But at the same time, I'm not going to let it ruin my enjoyment of them both now. What will be, will be. And I'm optimistic that the new stadium will be a game changer for us, both in terms of the atmosphere it will produce giving us a real fortress and the finances it will generate making us more competitive.

Hazardousman · Jan 8, 2018

dontcallme said:
I don't have much going in my life. I will remember that and bring it up at the end of next season confident thatyou are wrong.

I hope I am wrong mate and if that's the case you can bring it up as often as you like lol.

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