Mr Pink
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Only fools day lol
Race for the Top 4 - 2017/18
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Only fools day lol
spursfan77
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We should of beaten then 2 seasons ago to go top though. That’s exactly the kind of example I mean.
Hazardousman
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This is my concern, when I have spoken about us “bottling the big games” in recent years this is the exact game I am talking about, one with significant importance that will give us the edge over direct competition, it’s a cup final situation basically.
If we manage to dispatch Arsenal this weekend then I will finally believe we have turned a corner in terms of our mentality and believe we have what it takes to push on and win something in the future.
Saoirse
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No limit, it's just that we can only sell tickets to people already on our client database ~6 weeks before the game. Which was actually a problem back at the start of the season for the Chelsea match as there were quite a number of people who'd not been to a match any time recently who wanted to go and couldn't, but doesn't really matter now since nearly everyone interested will have been to a game at Wembley this season.
jezz
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Yes fcuking please.
Hazardousman
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That had no real meaning though Shady and you know it, that’s just bragging rights and we were well clear of them at that point, the signifance of finishing above Arsenal means hardly anything to the players like it does to the fans, if it did then we wouldn’t have allowed them to finish above us when Newcastle spanked us 5-1 after we lost out on the title to Leicester.
I am talking about games that have meaning such as when we were 2-1 up to a ten man Arsenal and 1 point clear at the top of the league only to blow it.
I don’t know why you refuse to acknowledge this is a problem with us, you hear the word “legends” and it triggers a hulk rage inside of you, it’s about context and the circumstances surrounding these games.
Shadydan
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Yes that's right, of course no real meaning seeing as Chelsea had won earlier in the day and we had to respond to keep our title hopes alive, closed it to 4 points if I recall, losing or dropping points in a big NLD match like that would have been typical of your rationale for bottling it not winning.
Impressive selective memory about meaningful matches we've played in and funny how you have to go back two seasons just to try and force your point even more. Two years ago is a long time ago fella, you know a lot has happened to our club since then don't you?
You just can't pick and choose certain games just because it suits your agenda, having a stronger mentality is a gradual change and goes hand in hand with your progress as a club, yes there will be big matches we will lose sometimes and some we will win but this is called football and seeing as we are the team who will be always up against it due to our resources compared to our rivals it's just careless to throw the term around, you really come across as a rival fan trying to get a cheap shot in at our club sometimes.
Streetspur77
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Please stop talking about "bottling" we are not legends. You can't be legends and do what we did on Sunday, or the 3-1 over Swansea last season in the midst of the title race or beat Arsenal to finally finish above them. It's physically impossible for us to be "legends" and for that to still happen.
Teams lose games, it happens. Doesn't make them legends.
If we play like last 2 games we will bully Them off the park. They are physically weaker than us in every department. The emirates game was after an international break when we had a lot of injuries and no proper DM. The contrast in form and where we are physically is massive.
freeeki
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I said going in to this tough run of games (United, Dippers, Wankers) that I'd be happy if we came away with 4 points from the three games.
Didn't expect us to beat United and didn't expect us to equalise for a second time at Anfield, so heading into the NLD this weekend on the back of Chelsea, Liverpool and United dropping points all over the gaff I'd be really disappointed not to see us come away with another win.
As a few here have mentioned this is a huge test of our mentality. Come out of these three games with 7 points and I think we could go on and take 2nd place again especially when you take everyone else's fixtures into account, which would be a huge statement of intent from an underdog team who don't even have a stadium at present.
Didn't expect us to beat United and didn't expect us to equalise for a second time at Anfield, so heading into the NLD this weekend on the back of Chelsea, Liverpool and United dropping points all over the gaff I'd be really disappointed not to see us come away with another win.
As a few here have mentioned this is a huge test of our mentality. Come out of these three games with 7 points and I think we could go on and take 2nd place again especially when you take everyone else's fixtures into account, which would be a huge statement of intent from an underdog team who don't even have a stadium at present.
gavspur
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It’s funny how a lot of us are forgetting the 1st half against Liverpool.. For the majority of that half, we were a mess. Constantly passing back to Hugo, he kept clipping it wide and putting our FB’s under pressure with bad passes and the fact they were marked. We did the same away to City, and it screwed us up, Liverpool just didn’t make the most of it.
So, if we play like we have for the past 1&1/2 games, then we’ll do well. Play like we did 1st half on Sunday, and we’ll be in the brown stuff.
So, if we play like we have for the past 1&1/2 games, then we’ll do well. Play like we did 1st half on Sunday, and we’ll be in the brown stuff.
Hazardousman
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Sorry mate but now you’re just talking bollocks (with the bolded part)
I don’t have selective memory I just understand that we haven’t made that final step that is required of us to become more than just “what if’s” yes it’s a gradual process but that’s the point I am trying to make that keeps going over you.
You are a good poster mate but we aren’t going to agree on this ever, you are adament that we have solved all of our mentality issues and I know that isn’t the case yet, we have made huge leaps forward and progress but we still aren’t the finished article in that respect.
Shadydan
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No I'm not all I'm saying is you can't call us legends based on your selective criteria. I know there are some matches where we are disappointing but there's a difference in acknowledging that we should do better as opposed to being ready to throw the bottling term so loosely at Spurs at the first sign of adversity.
Your point about mentality only takes into account games in isolation and moments, and not overall progression. If we beat Arsenal you say that we've finally taken the final step towards a solid team in your eyes but if we then lose a load of matches after that and subsequently don't qualify for the top four you'd change your opinion pretty quick, that's the point.
And this is why it doesn't make sense, if you take games in isolation the way you're doing it it's very easy to come to such a lazy conclusion without using any context...Spurs lose against big team in a big game shocker, yeah they must be legends I mean it's not like any other big teams lose big matches is it...
Dov67
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I think its different - by the time we played them last season there were only a handful of games left and we were miles ahead. There was no realistic prospect of them catching us even if we lost that day. This time there are only 4 points between us and 12 games to go.
If we play like we did against Man U and the second half yesterday, then we will win. Lets see. That last minute equaliser should mean we go into the game with confidence (i hope).
worcestersauce
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Shame we didn't get what we deserved against Liverpool as after last nights result we'd be third, still I can't help thinking of the tortoise and the hare, the hares are running around like mad march and we just keep trekking on.
Actually more like Pepe le pew after his lady cat, whenever they think they are safe there we are, it must be exhausting for them.
Actually more like Pepe le pew after his lady cat, whenever they think they are safe there we are, it must be exhausting for them.
dagraham
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One game at a time lads. We've been brought back into the mix, but a defeat on Sat changes all that again.
It could be crucial that we are approaching a fully fit squad, but I just hope that Kane isn't going to suffer fatigue with the amount of minutes he's been forced to play due to our reliance on him.
It could be crucial that we are approaching a fully fit squad, but I just hope that Kane isn't going to suffer fatigue with the amount of minutes he's been forced to play due to our reliance on him.
arunspurs
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How many teams in league can pressure us like Liverpool did in first half ? Probably only City. Liverpool put so much effort in first half, they didnt have anything in their tank after 60minutes. We can't generalise things based on that half.
What I would say is, most saw this coming. Its nothing new. Its the way, Liverpool have played us for last 4 or 5 seasons at Anfield. We got to be more pragmatic & play it long in these games.
arunspurs
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Got to win the NLD. A win puts a gap of 7, meaning Arsenal have to win 3 more than us by end of season, making it a impossible job for them. Worst case - a draw. We cannot lose. Lose this, Arsenal are well & truly back in top4 challenge.
I hope Chelsea keep Conte for few more games & suck the energy out of their squad. A manager change now, whoever that might be, will help them.
I hope Chelsea keep Conte for few more games & suck the energy out of their squad. A manager change now, whoever that might be, will help them.
