Team v Arsenal

Cravenspurs · Feb 8, 2018

DCSPUR said:
Love both players. Dier was fantastic against Utd.
Rotation.

I personally don't want to see Dier next year in the DM/CM rotation. I can't justifying saying this year since we have no real backup to Wanyama, but if we stick with Dier in the midfield again next year we will be struggling again to break teams down. He is too slow with the ball at his feet and lacks the skills with the ball at his feet to safely work when being pressed.

He is not a midfielder.

Bulletspur · Feb 8, 2018

stevenurse said:
The fact there are so many options is a great sign, I just really hope Poch doesn't do his occasional left field selection and stick Sissoko in.

We just need 14 who are going to be willing to fight their bollocks off. We didn't turn up at the Emirates so we owe this lot

Contrary statements. Poor as he is, you cannot accuse him of not always working his bollocks off

stevenurse · Feb 8, 2018

Bulletspur said:
Contrary statements. Poor as he is, you cannot accuse him of not always working his bollocks off

I never accused him of not giving 100% every time. He is however, very much down the pecking order in terms of quality.

Most spurs fans would give Sissoko loads of credit for his conduct but doesnt mean I want him starting in this game

Bulletspur · Feb 8, 2018

stevenurse said:
I never accused him of not giving 100% every time. He is however, very much down the pecking order in terms of quality.

Most spurs fans would give Sissoko loads of credit for his conduct but doesnt mean I want him starting in this game

You said "we just need 14 players that are willing to work their bollocks off" and said nothing about quality, so based on that criteria he fits the Bill. Now you have moved the goal posts! :whistle:

Bus-Conductor · Feb 8, 2018

Lloris

Sanchez----------TA----------------JV
Trippier----------------------------------------Davies
Wanyama-------------Dembele
Eriksen------------
-------------Alli
Kane

Vorm, KWP, Dier, Lamela, Son, Moura, Winks

Phomesy · Feb 9, 2018

am_yisrael_chai said:
Anyone not picking Son or even suggesting he might not get picked is just plain nuts

Started against Newport so the most likely of the 3 behind Kane not to start.

Which doesn't mean he won't of course!

Phomesy · Feb 9, 2018

thebenjamin said:
Pochettino on Lucas Moura: "I think he will be ready to be in contention. He's doing well, training so hard. He's starting to feel his legs. We need to assess him tomorrow after the last training session but I hope's he's doing well and we can put him in contention.”

He's no chance then...

DCSPUR · Feb 9, 2018

Cravenspurs said:
I personally don't want to see Dier next year in the DM/CM rotation. I can't justifying saying this year since we have no real backup to Wanyama, but if we stick with Dier in the midfield again next year we will be struggling again to break teams down. He is too slow with the ball at his feet and lacks the skills with the ball at his feet to safely work when being pressed.

He is not a midfielder.

My default system in thinking of squad structure is the
4-2-3-1 system which includes 2CD and 2CM.
The 2CD are taken from Toby, Verts, Sanchez and Juan
The 2CM are taken from Dembele, Wanyama, Winks and Dier
This is for the purpose of squad structure.
The reality is that Dier's flexibility is highly prized by Poch so he will start either as CM or in a CD2 or CD3 depending on injuries etc.

He clearly is a midfielder and a very good one. I happen to agree with Poch that his best position will be in CD in a 2 or 3.

BUT the key is that in this squad construct there seems little point in buying another CD or CM....particularly as we have an additional midfield option of dropping Eriksen alongside Wanyama for eg.

sparx100 · Feb 9, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Lloris

Sanchez----------TA----------------JV
Trippier----------------------------------------Davies
Wanyama-------------Dembele
Eriksen------------
-------------Alli
Kane

Vorm, KWP, Dier, Lamela, Son, Moura, Winks

Son on the bench BC? Think we will need him Saturday. Personally i would play with 4 at the back with Sanchez potentially dropping to the bench. Dont disagree with full back choices.

ohtottenham! · Feb 9, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Lloris

Sanchez----------TA----------------JV
Trippier----------------------------------------Davies
Wanyama-------------Dembele
Eriksen------------
-------------Alli
Kane
Vorm, KWP, Dier, Lamela, Son, Moura, Winks

sparx100 said:
Son on the bench BC? Think we will need him Saturday. Personally i would play with 4 at the back with Sanchez potentially dropping to the bench. Dont disagree with full back choices.

For this game, I like the "back 5" against Arsenal, who play well at passing through defensive lines, and have real threats and pace in attack. Also gives security for our WBs to get up the flanks, which allows more space for Eriksen and our attackers to exploit.

Think with our CM wall and central defence, with Sanchez and JV mopping up any threats on the flanks when needed, we're cutting off their supply lines. Trips and Davies can get forward and the game's pushed into the Arsenal half. Think we have the personnel and tools to dominate the game. Think we may see Dier instead of Wanyama to start, but I think BC's got it right with the approach to this game.

If we give a platform for our WBs to use the flanks, then Eriksen, Kane, Alli/Son will give that iffy Arse defence plenty of headaches thoughout the game.

@Bobby__Lucky · Feb 9, 2018

thinktank said:
Yes

Rather than "constantly", though, natural advance/sit in relation to each other depending on the flow of attacks.

Or maybe that's what you meant?

Generally, if you watch us play now, our attacking/creative players interchange positions naturally. Best I've seen it yet tbh.

Yeh that's exactly what I meant.

Always loved that natural flow of positional movement football. We move randomly but not accidentally, naturally on purpose. Best thing about this team.

nicdic · Feb 9, 2018

Davo99 said:
@nicdic @Luka Van der Bale @nightgoat

To all those who disagreed, I actually didn’t mean for this game in particular, just in general.

I don’t really see how you can disagree with that really, and instead of just a rating of disagree maybe explain why.

Seeing as you’re so needy and disagreeing wasn’t enough, I disagree with everything you said. (y)

Cravenspurs · Feb 9, 2018

DCSPUR said:
My default system in thinking of squad structure is the
4-2-3-1 system which includes 2CD and 2CM.
The 2CD are taken from Toby, Verts, Sanchez and Juan
The 2CM are taken from Dembele, Wanyama, Winks and Dier
This is for the purpose of squad structure.
The reality is that Dier's flexibility is highly prized by Poch so he will start either as CM or in a CD2 or CD3 depending on injuries etc.

He clearly is a midfielder and a very good one. I happen to agree with Poch that his best position will be in CD in a 2 or 3.

BUT the key is that in this squad construct there seems little point in buying another CD or CM....particularly as we have an additional midfield option of dropping Eriksen alongside Wanyama for eg.

Yes he offers flexibility, but he should be no where near our midfield IMO. He has performed well for spurts but his limitations far outweigh his benefits and I don’t see how people can argue that.

He offers very little going forward bar the over the top ball here and there. He cannot dribble out of pressure. He can’t gather under pressure. He is too slow and ponderous on the ball.

I get the loyalty people have for him. He is a fighter and someone that has worked his ass off for the club. I am not denying that.

But next year he shouldn’t be in the conversation IMO and his spot is a place we really need to strengthen. He is a CB and for me that is pretty much final.

But that is my opinion and I welcome yours in all honesty. After all we are all here to support spurs

phillipjpalmer · Feb 9, 2018

Bus-Conductor said:
Lloris

Sanchez----------TA----------------JV
Trippier----------------------------------------Davies
Wanyama-------------Dembele
Eriksen------------
-------------Alli
Kane

Vorm, KWP, Dier, Lamela, Son, Moura, Winks

This would be my starting team, get a foot hold in the game, dominate possesson.
They really need a win so as they push more we can bring on son to stretch the game.

Mr Pink · Feb 9, 2018

Not sure why we change our set up to a less adventurous attacking side against a side that has even more vulnerable defensively than the last two sides we've outplayed.

Personally I think Son's inclusion as a regular starter is the single main reason for our upturn in form.

We can bully them in midfield and press home that advantage by keeping the same attack.

JonnySpurs · Feb 9, 2018

Mr Pink said:
Not sure why we change our set up to a less adventurous attacking side against a side that has even more vulnerable defensively than the last two sides we've outplayed.

Personally I think Son's inclusion as a regular starter is the single main reason for our upturn in form.

We can bully them in midfield and press home that advantage by keeping the same attack.

Agreed. Poch won't change anything in my view except for including Lucas on the bench if he comes through his assessment today.

I felt more threatened by Man Utd's line-up before we played them last week than I do about Arsenal's and the latter have a far worse defense.

We need to be solid to start with, try and get an early goal and we will roll them over from there.

ajspurs · Feb 9, 2018

If we go with 4 at the back I'd be tempted to go with the pairing of Alderweirald and Vertonghen. In such a big game I can imagine Sanchez looking shaky again especially with the worry of Aubameyang over his shoulder.

Not sure I can see us going with 5 at the back when we dominated United at home and completely controlled Liverpool in the second half of the match with the usual 4-2-3-1 or whatever it is. Not saying you shouldn't adapt to different games but it would take a big call to suddenly change the system we've recently seen good results with.

stevenurse · Feb 9, 2018

Can quite easily see Poch going with another unchanged side from the last two league games. Technically gives us the flexibility to change to a 3 if things are looking shaky.

Personally I'd go with Toby/Jan and Wanyama/Dembele in the middle but can't see him dropping Dier and to an extent can see why he wouldn't drop Sanchez. That said, I'd only want Sanchez in a 3.

Either set of full backs works for me. The game won't be won/lost there and none of the 4 have really let us down this year.

If we go with a 3-4-3 or whatever you'd call it, I'd probably prefer Son to Alli, but that also won't happen and Alli is rarely dropped.

That said, if any of our English players score, can you imagine the iconic picture of them all doing the Klinsmann? Fuck the handshakes, a winner followed by that would be burned on the retinas of spurs fans for decades

roslau · Feb 9, 2018

Reckon Toby is ready for NLD

Lloris
Trippier Toby Verts Davies
Dembele Dier
Dele Erisen Son
Kane

Hazelton · Feb 9, 2018

Sanchez, Aurier and Rose have to start for me. Pace is key, I love Toby but he's just coming back from injury against a rapid Aubameyang, if he starts he'll need help from Davinson. Attack picks itself.

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