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Disconosebleed

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Anyone who thinks there is an anti-Tottenham agenda in the media needs their head checked. The media have been very complimentary about us this season - as of course they should be - and all the most-often mentioned examples of supposed anti-Tottenham bias are completely legitimate:

Touting our best players for big moves
We're not an elite club, but have a handful of elite players. The reality is those players - Kane, Eriksen and Alderweireld most obviously - are unlikely to achieve everything they could do by staying at Tottenham long-term. There's more than a touch of cognitive dissonance in Tottenham fans hailing Harry Kane as the best striker in Europe, but not accepting that the media are going to link him with the top clubs.

Questioning our ability to compete long-term
Just about every player in our first eleven is earning less than they could do elsewhere; in some cases they could earn two or three times as much by leaving. With good management, accepting our secondary status and cashing in on the odd top player to sustain increased wages across the rest of the squad (as I suspect was the plan with Walker) can work, but it's definitely a major question mark against the club - we are trying to compete among the elite, but with far less money. There is no harm in the media acknowledging how well we are doing while questioning whether we can continue to punch above our weight long term.

Criticising Dele Alli for diving
Stop diving all the time then.

Pointing to Pochettino's lack of trophies
Again, it's a legitimate thing to point out - we have statistically been the most consistent team in the Premier League over the past three years, but have no trophy to show for it. With Pochettino pretty openly showing his disinterest in the cups, that means an all-or-nothing approach: win the league, or win nothing. So far, we've won nothing. For a club that is getting as much credit as we are, the lack of trophies is obviously going to be pointed out: we don't want to be the modern version of Keegan's Newcastle, entertaining everyone and earning plaudits across the globe, but winning less than we did under Ramos or Graham. No one in the media, as far as I'm aware, is pointing to the lack of trophies as a major failure or proof that Pochettino is never going to win anything with us, only that any praise of what a great team we are has to come with the caveat that we've won nothing...yet. Great teams win things.

Those are the criticisms I'm seeing most often, and all of them are completely fair game. In my experience (I don't listen to Talksport because I value my sanity) we are getting plenty of credit at the moment and any implication of an anti-Tottenham bias in the media is just laughable, the sort of theory we would be mercilessly mocking if it came from a Liverpool or Arsenal fan. Legitimate criticism of our club, even if you disagree with it, is not automatically unfair, contrived, biased or built on ulterior motives.
 
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Shadydan

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Anyone who thinks there is an anti-Tottenham agenda in the media needs their head checked. The media have been very complimentary about us this season - as of course they should be - and all the most-often mentioned examples of supposed anti-Tottenham bias are completely legitimate:

Touting our best players for big moves
We're not an elite club, but have a handful of elite players. The reality is those players - Kane, Eriksen and Alderweireld most obviously - are unlikely to achieve everything they could do by staying at Tottenham long-term. There's more than a touch of cognitive dissonance in Tottenham fans hailing Harry Kane as the best striker in Europe, but not accepting that the media are going to link him with the top clubs.

Questioning our ability to compete long-term
Just about every player in our first eleven is earning less than they could do elsewhere; in some cases they could earn two or three times as much by leaving. With good management, accepting our secondary status and cashing in on the odd top player to sustain increased wages across the rest of the squad (as I suspect was the plan with Walker) can work, but it's definitely a major question mark against the club - we are trying to compete among the elite, but with far less money. There is no harm in the media acknowledging how well we are doing while questioning whether we can continue to punch above our weight long term.

Criticising Dele Alli for diving
Stop diving all the time then.

Pointing to Pochettino's lack of trophies
Again, it's a legitimate thing to point out - we have statistically been the most consistent team in the Premier League over the past three years, but have no trophy to show for it. With Pochettino pretty openly showing his disinterest in the cups, that means an all-or-nothing approach: win the league, or win nothing. So far, we've won nothing. For a club that is getting as much credit as we are, the lack of trophies is obviously going to be pointed out: we don't want to be the modern version of Keegan's Newcastle, entertaining everyone and earning plaudits across the globe, but winning less than we did under Ramos or Graham. No one in the media, as far as I'm aware, is pointing to the lack of trophies as a major failure or proof that Pochettino is never going to win anything with us, only that any praise of what a great team we are has to come with the proviso that we've won nothing. Great teams win things.

Those are the criticisms I'm seeing most often, and all of them are completely fair game. In my experience (I don't listen to Talksport because I value my sanity) we are getting plenty of credit at the moment and any implication of an anti-Tottenham bias in the media is just laughable, the sort of theory we would be mercilessly mocking if it came from a Liverpool or Arsenal fan. Legitimate criticism of our club, even if you disagree with it, is not automatically unfair, contrived, biased or built on ulterior motives.

Fair post although you're never convince the TFS (Tin Foil Society) on here
 

Disconosebleed

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Fair post although you're never convince the TFS (Tin Foil Society) on here

Every team has them unfortunately and while it's great fun to take the piss out of the weirdos at other clubs, I'd prefer to try to reason with our fans, if only so other fans don't tar me with the mad brush by association.
 

worcestersauce

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Anyone who thinks there is an anti-Tottenham agenda in the media needs their head checked. The media have been very complimentary about us this season - as of course they should be - and all the most-often mentioned examples of supposed anti-Tottenham bias are completely legitimate:

Touting our best players for big moves
We're not an elite club, but have a handful of elite players. The reality is those players - Kane, Eriksen and Alderweireld most obviously - are unlikely to achieve everything they could do by staying at Tottenham long-term. There's more than a touch of cognitive dissonance in Tottenham fans hailing Harry Kane as the best striker in Europe, but not accepting that the media are going to link him with the top clubs.

Questioning our ability to compete long-term
Just about every player in our first eleven is earning less than they could do elsewhere; in some cases they could earn two or three times as much by leaving. With good management, accepting our secondary status and cashing in on the odd top player to sustain increased wages across the rest of the squad (as I suspect was the plan with Walker) can work, but it's definitely a major question mark against the club - we are trying to compete among the elite, but with far less money. There is no harm in the media acknowledging how well we are doing while questioning whether we can continue to punch above our weight long term.

Criticising Dele Alli for diving
Stop diving all the time then.

Pointing to Pochettino's lack of trophies
Again, it's a legitimate thing to point out - we have statistically been the most consistent team in the Premier League over the past three years, but have no trophy to show for it. With Pochettino pretty openly showing his disinterest in the cups, that means an all-or-nothing approach: win the league, or win nothing. So far, we've won nothing. For a club that is getting as much credit as we are, the lack of trophies is obviously going to be pointed out: we don't want to be the modern version of Keegan's Newcastle, entertaining everyone and earning plaudits across the globe, but winning less than we did under Ramos or Graham. No one in the media, as far as I'm aware, is pointing to the lack of trophies as a major failure or proof that Pochettino is never going to win anything with us, only that any praise of what a great team we are has to come with the proviso that we've won nothing. Great teams win things.

Those are the criticisms I'm seeing most often, and all of them are completely fair game. In my experience (I don't listen to Talksport because I value my sanity) we are getting plenty of credit at the moment and any implication of an anti-Tottenham bias in the media is just laughable, the sort of theory we would be mercilessly mocking if it came from a Liverpool or Arsenal fan. Legitimate criticism of our club, even if you disagree with it, is not automatically unfair, contrived, biased or built on ulterior motives.
I was just pissed off that having bought a paper on the way to the game in no small part to read a preview of the game, we weren't in it.
 

nightgoat

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Touting our best players for big moves
We're not an elite club, but have a handful of elite players. The reality is those players - Kane, Eriksen and Alderweireld most obviously - are unlikely to achieve everything they could do by staying at Tottenham long-term. There's more than a touch of cognitive dissonance in Tottenham fans hailing Harry Kane as the best striker in Europe, but not accepting that the media are going to link him with the top clubs.

It was only this summer that some people were insisting the newspaper stories about Coutinho to Barcelona (submitted a transfer request, said he wanted to leave, Barca made at least three official offers, eventually left in January) and Sanchez to whoever (one year left on his contract, refusing to sign a new one, clearly unhappy with teammates, eventually left in January) were on a par with the 'Kane to Man Utd', 'Real in for Kane' clickbait bullshit and that that was proof we were treated the same as the earlier established top four clubs by the media.

Criticising Dele Alli for diving
Stop diving all the time then.

Yep. But currently no one else is being criticised for diving. The media as a whole praised Moses for diving in an FA Cup semi final last season (with the exception of Chris Waddle). This weekend Xhaka, Wilshere, Salah and Pogba have all clearly dived in televised games to either try to win a penalty or get an opponent penalised, yet very little or nothing was made of any of them. Shearer went out of his way to lay in to Alli the previous weekend (while glossing over the penalties we should have had). If diving irked him so much you'd think he'd say something when he had the chance the very next time he was on TV.
 

BringBack_leGin

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I expect a lot of pundits to start backing us/ backing Kane to stay as news filters through to them that Harry has bought a box at the new stadium for the next four years.
 

Hazardousman

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It was only this summer that some people were insisting the newspaper stories about Coutinho to Barcelona (submitted a transfer request, said he wanted to leave, Barca made at least three official offers, eventually left in January) and Sanchez to whoever (one year left on his contract, refusing to sign a new one, clearly unhappy with teammates, eventually left in January) were on a par with the 'Kane to Man Utd', 'Real in for Kane' clickbait bullshit and that that was proof we were treated the same as the earlier established top four clubs by the media.



Yep. But currently no one else is being criticised for diving. The media as a whole praised Moses for diving in an FA Cup semi final last season (with the exception of Chris Waddle). This weekend Xhaka, Wilshere, Salah and Pogba have all clearly dived in televised games to either try to win a penalty or get an opponent penalised, yet very little or nothing was made of any of them. Shearer went out of his way to lay in to Alli the previous weekend (while glossing over the penalties we should have had). If diving irked him so much you'd think he'd say something when he had the chance the very next time he was on TV.

Better put our tin foil hats on for suggesting that bias and favouritism exists in media and print that is dominated by ex players and pundits who all played for, or support, the old established top 4, such a ludicrous suggestion nightgoat! Do you not believe in professionalism? The media would NEVER have an agenda!

Anybody who can’t see there is a clear and evident bias against us at this point are blissfully ignorant or being purposefully obtuse, it’s as obvious as a slap in the face and it doesn’t take a “conspiracy theorist” to see it.

Even supporters of other clubs (outside of the top six) have commented on how the media treat us badly, I have a mate who supports Fulham and he always comments on how they are always trying to sell our players off and downplay our growth as a club and it’s because we are a threat to the “established” clubs and the oil money clubs, it’s that simple really.

Liverpool supporters think we are media darlings though lol! Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.
 

Gb160

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Better put our tin foil hats on for suggesting that bias and favouritism exists in media and print that is dominated by ex players and pundits who all played for, or support, the old established top 4, such a ludicrous suggestion nightgoat! Do you not believe in professionalism? The media would NEVER have an agenda!

Anybody who can’t see there is a clear and evident bias against us at this point are blissfully ignorant or being purposefully obtuse, it’s as obvious as a slap in the face and it doesn’t take a “conspiracy theorist” to see it.

Even supporters of other clubs (outside of the top six) have commented on how the media treat us badly, I have a mate who supports Fulham and he always comments on how they are always trying to sell our players off and downplay our growth as a club and it’s because we are a threat to the “established” clubs and the oil money clubs, it’s that simple really.

Liverpool supporters think we are media darlings though lol! Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.
I'll agree that there's an agenda, but it's only an agenda to get clicks, get viewers and sell papers.
We have some of the most high profile players in the league playing for us, 2 of which happen to be English...Harry and Dele are literally click generators for the media, they can write any old shit about them and they're guaranteed traffic.
 

Disconosebleed

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Better put our tin foil hats on for suggesting that bias and favouritism exists in media and print that is dominated by ex players and pundits who all played for, or support, the old established top 4, such a ludicrous suggestion nightgoat! Do you not believe in professionalism? The media would NEVER have an agenda!

Anybody who can’t see there is a clear and evident bias against us at this point are blissfully ignorant or being purposefully obtuse, it’s as obvious as a slap in the face and it doesn’t take a “conspiracy theorist” to see it.

Even supporters of other clubs (outside of the top six) have commented on how the media treat us badly, I have a mate who supports Fulham and he always comments on how they are always trying to sell our players off and downplay our growth as a club and it’s because we are a threat to the “established” clubs and the oil money clubs, it’s that simple really.

Liverpool supporters think we are media darlings though lol! Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.

You sound absolutely bonkers. Get a grip.
 

nightgoat

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I'll agree that there's an agenda, but it's only an agenda to get clicks, get viewers and sell papers.
We have some of the most high profile players in the league playing for us, 2 of which happen to be English...Harry and Dele are literally click generators for the media, they can write any old shit about them and they're guaranteed traffic.

All media has an agenda of some description (look at politics for example, everyone has their own agenda and cherry picks information to suit it) although with sport that doesn't automatically equate to 'anti-Spurs agenda', however it may manifest itself.

We get a lot of praise for our style of play from pundits and journalists, but that doesn't stop them from ignoring other teams' players diving, for example. Some of it is just them being stupid mind you, like Mark Schwarzer coming out with 'can Spurs perform against the big teams' as if we hadn't dominated Real Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd and Dortmund.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Better put our tin foil hats on for suggesting that bias and favouritism exists in media and print that is dominated by ex players and pundits who all played for, or support, the old established top 4, such a ludicrous suggestion nightgoat! Do you not believe in professionalism? The media would NEVER have an agenda!

Anybody who can’t see there is a clear and evident bias against us at this point are blissfully ignorant or being purposefully obtuse, it’s as obvious as a slap in the face and it doesn’t take a “conspiracy theorist” to see it.

Even supporters of other clubs (outside of the top six) have commented on how the media treat us badly, I have a mate who supports Fulham and he always comments on how they are always trying to sell our players off and downplay our growth as a club and it’s because we are a threat to the “established” clubs and the oil money clubs, it’s that simple really.

Liverpool supporters think we are media darlings though lol! Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.
Jesus H Christ.
 
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Shadydan

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Better put our tin foil hats on for suggesting that bias and favouritism exists in media and print that is dominated by ex players and pundits who all played for, or support, the old established top 4, such a ludicrous suggestion nightgoat! Do you not believe in professionalism? The media would NEVER have an agenda!

Anybody who can’t see there is a clear and evident bias against us at this point are blissfully ignorant or being purposefully obtuse, it’s as obvious as a slap in the face and it doesn’t take a “conspiracy theorist” to see it.

Even supporters of other clubs (outside of the top six) have commented on how the media treat us badly, I have a mate who supports Fulham and he always comments on how they are always trying to sell our players off and downplay our growth as a club and it’s because we are a threat to the “established” clubs and the oil money clubs, it’s that simple really.

Liverpool supporters think we are media darlings though lol! Now THAT is a conspiracy theory.

Right on que...Thy dear leader has spoken! :woot:
 
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