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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 14 5.6%
  • Verts

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Davies

    Votes: 3 1.2%
  • Dier

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 15 6.0%
  • Son

    Votes: 173 69.8%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 22 8.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 6 2.4%
  • Kane

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 2 0.8%
  • Poch

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 1.6%
  • None Deserved

    Votes: 4 1.6%

  • Total voters
    248

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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We had 23 shots and 6 on target, we breached them a number of times and had them scrambling for balls and blocking shots so Poch's tactics actually worked, over both legs we had 35 (thirty five) shots and 12 on target. What you're focusing on is seminal moments in a football match which could have happened at ANY POINT over the course of 180 mins. It's all well and good saying the manager should have done this or done that but you're purely talking in hindsight so throwing blame on the manager is utter nonsense, this is football and it's something we just need to learn from.
Shady, that is all well and good and his tactics worked most of the game. But dynamics of game changed because they made tactical changes and there was no response in kind from Poch. Not hindsight because as soon as I saw the how they began to play, I saw the possibility of goals coming and was pleading for us to change, but Poch didn't.
 

guiltyparty

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Watched that in the corporate area of Wembley which was about 80% Italians. Never felt so utterly alone in a crowd since watching England lose to Portugal in the fan park in Lisbon.

I’m gutted. I know we all are, but that’s really hit hard that one. We usually reach the end of the line and are shown up to finally be out of our depth so while sad to lose, there’s an element of fair dues. I don’t get that this time, we should have won that. Our terrible shot to goal ratio has really cost us there, you can’t have 26 shots against Juve, 6 on target and feel one goal is enough. The problem wasn’t that they scored their couple of chances, really, it’s that we didn’t score more of our many, many more

Find it hard to rate individuals. Despite us playing very well at times, everyone was fairly up and down. No stinkers but no real MOTM standouts either - that’s clearly clouded by the outcome tho as I remember oohing and aaahing a few times at our play. We clearly largely played very well across both ties, against a top side, the stats speak for themselves

Eriksen probably by default. He was at heart of most good stuff. I thought Dier looked a bit ponderous. Dele did some good stuff before fading. Dembele did some outrageous passes and shifts without really creating much. Son was all effort but often lacking quality or taking the wrong option. I thought Lloris was rooted to his line for the second - could he have saved it if he’d come out? Dunno but it’d be nice if he tried. Kane had some good tussles but didn’t really get much change.

I’m know what @Bulletspur means - you could see the goals coming, they immediately looked more dangerous, and some of our players had obviously tired. Both goals you could see play out almost in slow motion, like a fucking domino rally. The second felt inevitable, it really did all slip away.

But we are talking 6 minutes from the first sub to the second goal. That’s not enough time to react. However I would argue that some of our side looked fucked, and there were clearly areas being exploited before that.

Ah well.
 
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Phomesy

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Shady, that is all well and good and his tactics worked most of the game. But dynamics of game changed because they made tactical changes and there was no response in kind from Poch. Not hindsight because as soon as I saw the how they began to play, I saw the possibility of goals coming and was pleading for us to change, but Poch didn't.


Send your CV to Levy and give us our Spurs back?
 

Phomesy

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Aug 20, 2013
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Just watched the replay after getting back from the game and can’t fault team selection or Poch’s subs. They hit us twice as a quality side can do but we never dropped our heads and did enough to deserve an equaliser which didn’t come.

Fantastic tie tbh.
 

Spurs 1961

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Aug 31, 2012
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What can you say.

I thought we played well enough to win. Juventus played the percentage kept in the game and was more clinical.

That's been our greatest downfall this season not being clinical enough. I'd rather not scapegoat the players nor the manager. ...

I hope one day we get to footballs promised land.

In recent games we have not scored enough goals and HK has had a relatively dry spell. I do expect more goals from Dele and Eriksen as well. But I do think not being clinical has been our biggest problem this season
 

davros

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Jul 16, 2005
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Tbh we won't get past the quarter-final or semi-final even if we defeated Juves

I know I am salty. But just let me to feel better.
Allegri is an expert in tactics. We really suffer to this type of manager every f**king time.

Eriksen and Son don't deserve the defeat today.
Most teams "suffer to this type of manager". Allegri has won three doubles and reached the CL final twice in the last three years at Juventus. They are really fucking tough opponents and he really knows what he's doing.
 

mattdefoe

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Jul 16, 2009
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I didn’t rate dele tonight despite some of his runs . He rarely takes care of the ball and it bugs me.

Can someone give me an honest assessment on Kane’s performance ?

I felt he was isolated but didn’t put himself about enough
 

zoneD

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...I won't even jump on Lamela for not barging in the equalizer at the last minute...;)

...at least we've shown significant progress in the last few years - now we need to learn how to kill off a game that we're dominating and not get rope-a-doped by a savvy European adversary...

...Son MOTM - honorable mentions to Alli (showed some insane skill) and Davies (who looked strong in the 1st half, but was absolutely shot at the end)...
COYS
 

DenverSpur

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Naivety is the word that springs to mind regarding this performance and I include Poch in that. Playing one of the best teams in the world you have to have a plan for every eventuality. In the first half yes the plan was to try and get a goal which we did but after that do we drop deep and defend or do we press on and get another. As the second half began we did neither. we seemed to be indecisive about how we were going to manage the game from there on. To compound that after we concede a goal we don't drop deep and consolidate( at least until we've taken the sting out of their momentum) but instead continue with a high line and get caught out. From then on it was game over. They knew what they had to do. They had a plan. We have to be smarter.
Once again Poch's substitutions are too little too late. They should have been made immediately after the second goal. I would have brought on Moura as well as Lamela and why wait until 5 minutes to go to bring on Llorente.

Both goals we conceded were because we don't mark their strikers. For the first goal Higuain is unmarked because Dier let him run past him. For the second no one is marking Dybala as he runs through compounded by Trippier stopping to put his arm up for offside( that should be a fine of at least a weeks wages for a defender to do that - their job is to defend not officiate). This is something that a real bone of contention for me about the modern game. In the (dark and distant) past when the majority of teams played 442 the 2 centre halves picked up(marked) the 2 strikers. Nowadays teams play with only one striker and the centre backs mark space. I've lost count of the number of times the ball comes into the area and the opposition main goal threat(Kane, Aguero, Lukaka, etc) is unmarked in acres of space. Marking zones or space and passing players on to other zonal markers is bollocks. Zones and space don't score goals players do so mark them. Ask Chiellini. He didn't mark space he marked Kane who hardly got a sniff.
Both Barzagli and Lichtsteiner should be handed retroactive red cards for what was simply assault on Son.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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I didn’t rate dele tonight despite some of his runs . He rarely takes care of the ball and it bugs me.

Can someone give me an honest assessment on Kane’s performance ?

I felt he was isolated but didn’t put himself about enough

I personally think he's carrying an injury. Been same since the Arsenal game, which was unsure he was going to play. Benn off colour since.
 

SambaSpurs

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We are improving as a side that much is clear. But to take that next step to join the true elite I really think we have to be more flexible.

With 30 minutes to go and your opponents requiring 2 goals, you should be locking that shit down - like they did to us when we required just the one. Get an AM off, bring on wanyama, drop deep and counter. That's what clever sides do. We had to be expecting an onslaught or tactical shift from them. We seemed to play in the second half with the ambition to play a dominating, forward-thinking game like we always do, but with the attitude of 'oh shit we should be keeping solid and not committing too many forward', in the end, as others have noted, we did neither.

That's the next string to our bow that we need to add for me. 1st Poch single-handedly has developed a great style of play at the club. 2nd, and only recently we've gained a real depth to our side. The final element would be the ability anticipate pressure from a top side and to see out a game by locking it down regularly. Not every game is going to be like Arsenal at home where we were 1-0 up and continued to batter them with little quality in response.
 

Coyboy

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Dec 3, 2004
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Son my MOTM. Had so many chances he didn't take. Kane literally had a defender glued to him.

There is a certain element of luck you create for yourselves in a game like this. Once Juve determined the ref was not going to do a second yellow for anything short of murder they went to work and it worked. They were not great but we gave them both goals on a platter. Such an undue shame.

Really?
 

M.I.B.

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Jul 31, 2004
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Sadly, Poch gets a big fat zero from me. Yes, we started well and dominated the first half, but as others have said, Dier and Dele were both struggling after being kicked about, and should have been replaced way before their first goal.
You could see our energy level drop just before the equalizer. Everyone around me in the ground were screaming for the change.

Why does he have this stubborness about making changes earlier.?
 

thePessimist

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Jul 4, 2012
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Can someone give me an honest assessment on Kane’s performance ?

I felt he was isolated but didn’t put himself about enough

Chiellini was all over him for 93 mins so hard to be too critical. But i do feel he's not at his best at the moment. Looks a bit tired
 

Gilzeanking

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Just a couple of points . I remain unnerved by Lloris's approach to forwards coming through for one on ones . Again his first instinct is to go back . For me he should be roaring out to close the angle . True , the forward would likely have dribbled round him or found a way to score , but leaving large areas of the goal open to shoot at , as he usually does in these situations ,is suicidal .

I would almost be happier with our chances in the one vs one situation if the last man was not Lloris , but Vertonghen . Then the forward would really have to get past him to get the goal .

Yes ,I agree with the posters that point out that Sonny was given a kicking to quieten him and it largely worked .

Staggered that they didn't get the pen . One of the clearest and most certain pens I've ever seen .

We don't seem to do effective shutouts and I agree with the sentiment that our subs often seem a bit late . We were tiring and new players such as Moura or Victor could have energised us a tad IMO .
 
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I don't think any of our full backs are.
Rose is. We just need to play him. Aurier can be with some time to work with Poch. Davies can play an important role for us going foreward. He just shouldn't be playing in matches where he's physically overmatched.

Tripper offers nothing defensively. He's not good enough and never will be. He should be sold. Downvote all you want but it's the truth.
 

M.I.B.

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Shady, that is all well and good and his tactics worked most of the game. But dynamics of game changed because they made tactical changes and there was no response in kind from Poch. Not hindsight because as soon as I saw the how they began to play, I saw the possibility of goals coming and was pleading for us to change, but Poch didn't.

Absolutely agree with this. Said as much in another post.
There was a visible drop in intensity from us just prior to their first, and we needed to make changes earlier. Not hindsight either. Everyone in the area I was sat were screaming for the same thing. Dier and dele looked shot/kicked to pieces and needed to come off earlier. We have 3 subs for a reason.
 
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