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Gb160

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All I said is that higuain scored his 1 chance and they are through. Kane didn't and we're out. Smashing records doesn't win us jack shit. In games like this one you get only so many chances If you don't take them...
The fact that Harry is breaking records doesn't change the fact that his conversion rate is nothing to write home about. In the prem it's 102 goals after 260 shots on target with a massive 65 big chances missed (premier league site). That means his team is providing him with magnificent service. In the CL it was 27 shots and 7 goals this season, just over 25%. In both legs he scored 1, higuain scored 3. Can that be argued?

Let me stress again I am not anti Kane But what I am, is pro Spurs. Kane is trusted to deliver when it is needed the most. He is meant to be our leader which means come through in dire times. He did neither of the two last night, regardless of how much he is cherished. It is a tough but objective truth.
Yeah he's not good enough and we should get rid.
 

Graysonti

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It's not true- that is just weak thinking. This team is mentally very strong, always keeps trying harder and harder until the last minute. We nearly got there last night, with Kane's header at the end.
Let's be strong and confident, this is a great team and believes in itself and we should too.


Exactly - very small margins and one of them is a bit of things falling for you.
 

Shadydan

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All I said is that higuain scored his 1 chance and they are through. Kane didn't and we're out. Smashing records doesn't win us jack shit. In games like this one you get only so many chances If you don't take them...
The fact that Harry is breaking records doesn't change the fact that his conversion rate is nothing to write home about. In the prem it's 102 goals after 260 shots on target with a massive 65 big chances missed (premier league site). That means his team is providing him with magnificent service. In the CL it was 27 shots and 7 goals this season, just over 25%. In both legs he scored 1, higuain scored 3. Can that be argued?

Let me stress again I am not anti Kane But what I am, is pro Spurs. Kane is trusted to deliver when it is needed the most. He is meant to be our leader which means come through in dire times. He did neither of the two last night, regardless of how much he is cherished. It is a tough but objective truth.

You do realise that Higuain missed a pen and a sitter in the first leg, he could have buried the tie before it got the 2nd leg don't you?
 

Graysonti

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Also now slightly concerned if we had mourinho or conte defending a lead we may have done it


Lol - you would be saying the exact opposite if we had set up to defend and lost one nil to a ball off someone’s Arse - you would be saying we should have attacked them.

Never played football/sport and sit there on the side pointing - please support someone else.
 

nicdic

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Still gutted.

Is it just me, or if in any other game, and the roles were switched, and it had been one of our players stamping, shirt pulling, niggling, etc. and that "penalty" on Costa we'd be getting slated for diving, and cheating, yet with Juve it's a stonewall pen, and cleaver play. Hate those double standards.
 

sebo_sek

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Yeah he's not good enough and we should get rid.
Here we go.
No point having a forum when after prividing stats and actual arguments to substantiate a point you get this in return.

You're right. I'll join the Kane can do no wrong brigade
 

Nebby

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I wouldn't say we bottled it; I just don't think we have the nous - yet - that's often needed at this level.

It's hard to be too critical, as the Premiership just doesn't deliver this kind of challenge.
 

SpartanSpur

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You do realise that Higuain missed a pen and a sitter in the first leg, he could have buried the tie before it got the 2nd leg don't you?

Higuain is also famous for being a big time bottler. He's the reason Messi doesn't have the World Cup he deserves. All strikers miss chances. No way I'd swap him for Kane even after he knocked us out.
 

Graysonti

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Here we go.
No point having a forum when after prividing stats and actual arguments to substantiate a point you get this in return.

You're right. I'll join the Kane can do no wrong brigade

Mate, outside Greaves he is probably the best striker we have ever had.

Looking at one game where one (half) chance is missed is just lol.

If you think every striker scores every chance then a big lol at you as you have not got a clue.
 

sebo_sek

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You do realise that Higuain missed a pen and a sitter in the first leg, he could have buried the tie before it got the 2nd leg don't you?
And yet scored 3. Kane also had 2 sitters in the first leg but only managed 1 over 180 minutes. Im only stating facts and have high expectations for the best striker in the world
 

Gassin's finest

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I personally am bloody proud of this team. Over two legs I thought we outplayed them, and as has been said, being less wasteful with our finishing would have seen us sweep them aside... and yet it was ever thus.

But to truly compete at this level, the top of the top, its about fortitude, cannyness and doing whatever it takes to win. That's what is meant by "winning mentality" and "experienced competitors". This Juve side have World Cup finalists and winners in it. They know what it takes. As such they stayed focused for the full 95 minutes, not just the 80. We wobbled for 10 minutes, struggling to adjust to Allegri's deliberatly staccato substitutions. And when we regained control of the game, Juve were dug in, true cattenaccio style... and they defended heroically, literally throwing themselves in front of players and shots.

Experience told, but to a man I thought we played excellent football, fast and committed pressing whenever there was a turnover, Son and Dele giving them headaches, Kane dragging three players out of space, Eriksen and Dembele passing and keeping possession with such fluidity and confidence its just a joy to watch. Davies and Tripps were indefatigable and Jan and Sanchez raoming our half of the pitch like they owned it.

Lessons to be learned, and as ever with this fine, fine squad of players its all about learning that rock solid mentality to stay focused and resolute for 100 minutes, not just 80 or even 90, and never take a situation for granted.

Onwards to the FA cup! COYS!
 

sebo_sek

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Mate, outside Greaves he is probably the best striker we have ever had.

Looking at one game where one (half) chance is missed is just lol.

If you think every striker scores every chance then a big lol at you as you have not got a clue.
I gave stats for the season and you see one game. Interesting.
 

Guntz

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Should of been Moura on for Alli, and Wanyama for Dier.

They should of been brought on straight after Juve's subs made an impact, Poch isn't reactive enough sometimes.
 

SpartanSpur

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Kane didn't lose us this tie. Our forwards scored 3 goals against supposedly the best defence in the world tm. Our lack of quality in the FB positions is what did it for me, I think we definitely need to relook at these positions.

In 21 games Juve have conceded 4 goals, 3 to us (the other a 3-1 victory). It's tough for a #9 to score against them, yet he did. Son had the chances last night but they were the wrong side of the post on this occasion sadly.
 

felmani26

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This one hurts, not gonna lie...
Yep, still hurts this morning - not helped with every pundit and talking head giving their two-penneth's worth of shit analysis but I guess it's to be expected.

Bournemouth better get a good bumming that's all I can say!
 

WiganSpur

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Maybe I’m a defeatist or I’m just missing something. We’ve been sensational in the Champions League. We walked the hardest group to come top and largely outplayed one of the toughest most experienced and successful teams in the World.

Sorry but today I’m celebrating the fact that we have now become one of the most respected teams in Europe. That’s the here and now, not tomorrow.

Thanks Poch & the team.
Exactly, no doubt the Scousers and United will rave on about going further than us when all they've faced are mostly Europa level teams so far.
 

thelak

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I wouldn't say we bottled it; I just don't think we have the nous - yet - that's often needed at this level.

It's hard to be too critical, as the Premiership just doesn't deliver this kind of challenge.

I agree but what is frustrating is we had the blueprint in the group stages playing a more cautious but still progressive game

Toby’s injury ended the 5 at the back but last night Dier at CB and Wanyama in the centre would have seen the game out (says me with my crystal ball)

It’s easy to say all of this in hindsight but the 4 at the back with a high line clearly leads to plenty of mistakes and gaps - fine in the PL but clinical teams like Juve don’t need many chances

We conceded 4 avoidable goals and 2 penalties (one not given) over the 2 legs which we need to cut out if we are to progress

As much as I hate the guy Mourinho would have pragmatically seen the game out last night - Poch hopefully learns from this because our swashbuckling PL style won’t get us far in this competition. How we played in the group stage will I believe
 
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