The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Hengy1 · May 5, 2018

KenTHFC said:
No one is forgetting that. Its said near enough every other time someone talks about Poch. Just personally think that we should start looking at him less like a god and more a young manager with some growing to do if he wants to achieve what we know he can do

No, you need to look at the players. He put out prob out top team team and they failed.

Everlasting Seconds · May 5, 2018

KenTHFC said:
think that we should start looking at him less like a god and more a young manager with some growing to do

Everlasting Seconds · May 5, 2018

Hengy1 said:
Best thing to happen to us for over a decade let’s remember that

If Pochettino is the best thing in a decade, this squad is the best squad in several decades. No modern spurs coach has ever had a better all around starting eleven (Redknapp comes close, but it wasn't all around better).

rossdapep · May 5, 2018

mpickard2087 said:
What you often can see though over a longer period of time is that managers and players who have had a bit of success start to lose their edge. Players start to mentally ease off a bit, thinking some of the hard work/dirty work is done, and the manager probably shows too much loyalty/attachment and sticks with certain players too long - often to his downfall.

Alex Ferguson for instance lasted, and won, for a long time partly because he mastered judging when to refresh and shake up, even very successful teams and players, and being able to rebuild various versions of his team.

Poch's approach and style of play, at it's best, is very much one based on hard work, the press, that aggression and intensity and needs 100% buy in. I think it's only natural that with a style like that then there is a limit to how many times/seasons you will get players going again and again and keeping that desire and energy going, and so is a style of play that in particular will need to keep refreshing and rebuilding a squad. At this point, we've seen in the short-term he can be ruthless, but that's in a certain way quite easy, whether he can be ruthless, and take tough/big decisions over a longer term to keep that edge and keep driving the team forward remains to be seen in the future.

I agree. And I think it's time for him to be ruthless again. We have a lot of players who are 'nearly' players (Lamela, Dembele, Tripps, Davies), they've done incredibly well but perhaps we need to get players in who can give us optimum performances week in week out.

I'd argue that we'd have picked up more points this season if we had a CM who could create more, full backs who could be more dynamic and another AM who had a knack for scoring important goals like Eriksen does.

double0 · May 5, 2018

It nothing I feel is wrong with Poch. Last Season Pep G at Man City took certain players as far as he could and he knew he had to spend big . The same happening with Mourinho Poch now needs financial backing to push on or we'll just stand still.

It's not a disaster just an indication of where we're at ie not enough it was a prime chance to take 3rd and like other competition this season we are coming short.

still we might get another chance to finish 3 rd 4th or 5th

Hercules · May 5, 2018

I obviously love the gaffer. But crikey, he is doing himself no favours with selections, and substitutions etc. His famous words’we need to be brave and aggressive’. I think he needs to apply tgst a bit more to himself.

Here are his decisions he has to make for Wednesday:

Lamela is not an enigma
Rose not performing
Kane is off it
Moura has to be seriously considered
We have to persevere with Tripps, as Serge is more than an accident not waiting to happen, but expected to happen.

Do we drop Kane, and bring in Moura & Son?

I am not making decisions for him, but pointing out the obvious. We are predictable (very) because the opposition knows now how to play us. As much as having all this possession, we were really know threat, and no real fluid service. That is down to the gaffer.

Finchyid · May 5, 2018

Probably get disgarees and spams for saying this but today he made changes for the sake of changes! The subs he made were not to win a game imo, he got the starting lineup wrong.

Finchyid · May 5, 2018

Hercules said:
I obviously love the gaffer. But crikey, he is doing himself no favours with selections, and substitutions etc. His famous words’we need to be brave and aggressive’. I think he needs to apply tgst a bit more to himself.

Here are his decisions he has to make for Wednesday:

Lamela is not an enigma
Rose not performing
Kane is off it
Moura has to be seriously considered
We have to persevere with Tripps, as Serge is more than an accident not waiting to happen, but expected to happen.

Do we drop Kane, and bring in Moura & Son?

I am not making decisions for him, but pointing out the obvious. We are predictable (very) because the opposition knows now how to play us. As much as having all this possession, we were really know threat, and no real fluid service. That is down to the gaffer.

Why play a back 3? We havent done that in 20 odd games and scored?

Hengy1 · May 5, 2018

Hercules said:
I obviously love the gaffer. But crikey, he is doing himself no favours with selections, and substitutions etc. His famous words’we need to be brave and aggressive’. I think he needs to apply tgst a bit more to himself.

Here are his decisions he has to make for Wednesday:

Lamela is not an enigma
Rose not performing
Kane is off it
Moura has to be seriously considered
We have to persevere with Tripps, as Serge is more than an accident not waiting to happen, but expected to happen.

Do we drop Kane, and bring in Moura & Son?

I am not making decisions for him, but pointing out the obvious. We are predictable (very) because the opposition knows now how to play us. As much as having all this possession, we were really know threat, and no real fluid service. That is down to the gaffer.

You mean Son that has been awful and hasn’t contributed anything since February?

End of the day we have so many players not doing it for what ever reason.

Oh Teddy Teddy · May 5, 2018

Hercules said:
Do we drop Kane, and bring in Moura & Son?

I’d go with pace out wide in Son and Moura, Eriksen begins Kane. Dier and Dembele in midfield. Alli if Dembele isn’t fit.

That’s what I do on FM, and when it doesn’t work I just cheat. Poch got this (y)

Hercules · May 5, 2018

To the above posters. I am not promoting Son, who has been shocking of late. I am trying to highlight what I have already done. We have issues, and how much longer before they are addressed? Wait until the last game of the season?

As far as I am concerned, Lamela should be in the bench, and he offers nothing at present, than running around, and in the ground MOORE than on his feet. He plays in an area where he should be offering offensive impact.

Harry is not at the races, at the minute, but he has scored in 2 out of 3 matches. He is not getting the service, and with him hampered by not being 100%, he needs service and the right movement.

Central 3 creates flexibility, allowing yourcwing bacjs to offer the width. However, they need to have pace! Otherwise it doesn’t work, as it did with Walker and Rose. Therefore, if you elect to play that system, you need tgst coming from elsewhere. But now teams number up through the middle, dropping deep. Here is where we are out of ideas, becoming ponderous and very predictable.

My conclusion on all the above, Poch needs himself ‘to be aggressive and brave’.

Hakkz · May 5, 2018

Hercules said:
To the above posters. I am not promoting Son, who has been shocking of late. I am trying to highlight what I have already done. We have issues, and how much longer before they are addressed? Wait until the last game of the season?

As far as I am concerned, Lamela should be in the bench, and he offers nothing at present, than running around, and in the ground MOORE than on his feet. He plays in an area where he should be offering offensive impact.

Harry is not at the races, at the minute, but he has scored in 2 out of 3 matches. He is not getting the service, and with him hampered by not being 100%, he needs service and the right movement.

Central 3 creates flexibility, allowing yourcwing bacjs to offer the width. However, they need to have pace! Otherwise it doesn’t work, as it did with Walker and Rose. Therefore, if you elect to play that system, you need tgst coming from elsewhere. But now teams number up through the middle, dropping deep. Here is where we are out of ideas, becoming ponderous and very predictable.

My conclusion on all the above, Poch needs himself ‘to be aggressive and brave’.

If we will keep the full-backs we have then we really need to change the way we play. They simply cannot be relied on when it comes to offense.

Sevens · May 5, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
If Pochettino is the best thing in a decade, this squad is the best squad in several decades. No modern spurs coach has ever had a better all around starting eleven (Redknapp comes close, but it wasn't all around better).

The opposition is also weak. I'd say that it's been weak for a good 5 or 6 years to be fair.

I think Poch is at a crossroads. Either we're heading for greatness with him or next season will end up being a massive disappointment and he may not survive. Chelsea have imploded a bit this year but still may finish above us. Man City have splashed the cash. We've lost ground and been overtaken by Liverpool and Man Utd. If this trend is maintained (likely) and Chelsea and/or Arsenal get their acttogether then next season won't be as rosy as the last couple.

That said I want Poch to stay in the job and I don't think there is a better fit for Spurs right now. People need perspective that we've generally been punching above our weight since about 2005/06 season. Irrespective of how much of that is down to us or the opposition failing to achieve what they should be achieving, the fact is we should be 6th in the natural order of things. We've only finished outside of the top five 3 times in 12 years. That's outstanding. And we've finished in the top four 4 times in 11 years and hopefully that will be 5 times in 12 years.

We've been good for a long time but now we need to make the next step up or I can see us slipping backwards.

Hercules · May 5, 2018

Hakkz said:
If we will keep the full-backs we have then we really need to change the way we play. They simply cannot be relied on when it comes to offense.

I personally agree with you. I would even consider Verts as wing back. But tgst won’t happen (if he is fit).

We are so damn predictable, and why we are being picked off. And always likely to concede especially from corners. We need someone like John Terry in his prime. We need a dominant leader at the back. But that’s another issue.

Hengy1 · May 5, 2018

How aggressive can we be with our best two goal scorers being out of form.

I agree with moura should played more especially in front of Lamela who in my is a waste of a squad place but even then without Kane in form we aren’t very good.

Maybe we are a one man team

eddiev14 · May 5, 2018

Hercules said:
To the above posters. I am not promoting Son, who has been shocking of late. I am trying to highlight what I have already done. We have issues, and how much longer before they are addressed? Wait until the last game of the season?

As far as I am concerned, Lamela should be in the bench, and he offers nothing at present, than running around, and in the ground MOORE than on his feet. He plays in an area where he should be offering offensive impact.

Harry is not at the races, at the minute, but he has scored in 2 out of 3 matches. He is not getting the service, and with him hampered by not being 100%, he needs service and the right movement.

Central 3 creates flexibility, allowing yourcwing bacjs to offer the width. However, they need to have pace! Otherwise it doesn’t work, as it did with Walker and Rose. Therefore, if you elect to play that system, you need tgst coming from elsewhere. But now teams number up through the middle, dropping deep. Here is where we are out of ideas, becoming ponderous and very predictable.

My conclusion on all the above, Poch needs himself ‘to be aggressive and brave’.

Completely agree with this and is why many people see the need for another attacker like Gelson Martins or Zaha who can offer some thrust, dynamism and unpredictability.

When we’re off the pace, as in the last few games, it looks like we have absolutely no one who can do that for us. It’s pretty obvious Poch wants a player like that, too.

I think we might just about stumble over the line and get top 4 this season, but that’s mainly due to Newcastle and Leicester’s form since they mathematically avoided the drop. I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but it royally pissed me off that Poch said he wasn’t angry or upset with that performance today. I hope he is tearing strips off of them in private.

A Liverpool win tomorrow would be so, so welcome. I genuinely can’t take the stress of even the thought of us screwing this up.

Sevens · May 5, 2018

Finchyid said:
Why play a back 3? We havent done that in 20 odd games and scored?

I think attacking wise we look so much better with a back three. For me the problem today was that Lamela isn't as good a number 10 as Eriksen and Dembele wasn't fit to start.

Hengy1 · May 5, 2018

Personally we need to freshen up the squad.

It’s gone stale/backwards in the last 12 months.

HUGE summer coming up

Hercules · May 5, 2018

Hengy1 said:
How aggressive can we be with our best two goal scorers being out of form.

I agree with moura should played more especially in front of Lamela who in my is a waste of a squad place but even then without Kane in form we aren’t very good.

Maybe we are a one man team

Not a ‘one man’ team. Until we can rectify end of season, these are areas Poch has to not look at, but make the right decisions. I know there is a Lamela love fest, but he offers zero at present.

I just think the areas I have highlighted, he has to be BRAVE!

Bus-Conductor · May 5, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
You wrote that, and almost like Pochettino wanted to prove you right, we were outplayed grossly by the weakest team in the league. I've pointed out for some time that Pochettino isn't the finished product, he has got development to do. I'm fine with that, it doesn't bother me. But what does bother me is that I thought he showed real improvement last season, and this season I feel he has regressed in ingenuity and taken a step backwards. I think he has the 4th best squad in the league, and finishing outside top 4 would, to me, be underachievement. We have seen from him really, really great football, some of the best in the game. And we've seen some truly horrendous football. But most displays this season have been quite forgettable.

Ironically I think he was better tactically today than he has been for while. I don't think we were remotely outplayed today, let alone grossly, we were skanked in injury time from a set piece by a team that did a great job of parking the bus. It happens, and I had a lot more problems with the crap he served up at home to City, away to Brighton and home to Watford .

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