Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

wirE · May 24, 2018

Wsussexspur said:
Agree if we really want Martial and the press rumours are true that Utd are refusing to sell him to another premiership club then I would have thought its quite simple we refuse to sell them Toby.

Make sense. Why would we sell and not being able to buy from them.

Everlasting Seconds · May 24, 2018

Ghost Hardware said:
I like the idea of Martial, but I don’t like him enough to warrant selling them Toby in exchange. Toby is a world class CB and I don’t think we should be selling that level of talent to a direct rival.

It's not as black and white though. We have a player who wants to leave. They have the funds to strengthen that position with whomever they want, regardless of whether we trade with them or not. What is the most aligned with our interests? The rival getting the player they want but not from us, or we ridding ourselves of a player who doesn't want to be here and stealing cash from a rival in the process?

iddebu52 · May 24, 2018

I would'nt even entertain a thought of dealing with a direct opponent no matter what the financings are, end of!!!! No Kyle Walker revisiting!!! Stop the madness!!

Hakkz · May 24, 2018

Lilbaz said:
Am i the only one that thinks martial might not improve us that much?

Just curious, who would be your preferred option for the role of WF/Striker?

Ghost Hardware · May 24, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
It's not as black and white though. We have a player who wants to leave. They have the funds to strengthen that position with whomever they want, regardless of whether we trade with them or not. What is the most aligned with our interests? The rival getting the player they want but not from us, or we ridding ourselves of a player who doesn't want to be here and stealing cash from a rival in the process?

Man Utd are financially a mega club, what ever they spend on Toby won’t have much effect on them. I also very much doubt the eventual fee will be 75 mil but here’s hoping. Beyond that, Toby is one of the best in the world and PL proven. Toby will strengthen Utd and there are not many players, if any, of his caliber that are for sale at the moment, most play for bigger clubs then us. So if they had to look elsewhere I very much doubt they would find another player of his quality. At least 50 of the 75 mil we will hopefully make on this deal is earmarked for relatively unproven 18 year old. Ultimately I don’t really see the plus side of selling to Utd personally, at the end of the day we will be weakening ourselves and stregthening a rival.

Just to add, I realise that if Utd are the only club in for him and he has decided he wants to leave then I appreciate we don’t really have an option. Keeping a player against their will is not something we do. But from all ITK we have had there seems to be a lot of interest abroad so if the option is there and feasible then i would really hope we take it over selling to a rival who finished one place above us last season.

spursfan77 · May 24, 2018

Everlasting Seconds said:
It's not as black and white though. We have a player who wants to leave. They have the funds to strengthen that position with whomever they want, regardless of whether we trade with them or not. What is the most aligned with our interests? The rival getting the player they want but not from us, or we ridding ourselves of a player who doesn't want to be here and stealing cash from a rival in the process?

Is it a player that wants to leave or is it a player who wants to be paid more? I suspect if we offered him silly money he’d stay.

But yeah I agree. It’s not simple. Although I stick by my post about Toby on the previous page.

Everlasting Seconds · May 24, 2018

spursfan77 said:
Is it a player that wants to leave or is it a player who wants to be paid more? I suspect if we offered him silly money he’d stay.

I don't care. He is not even the best in his position at the club. Let him go to obscure clubs like Shakthar Donetsk or Arsenal as far as I'm concerned, as long as we fetch the 55-60M he is surely worth.

Danners9 · May 24, 2018

spursfan77 said:
Is it a player that wants to leave or is it a player who wants to be paid more? I suspect if we offered him silly money he’d stay.

But yeah I agree. It’s not simple. Although I stick by my post about Toby on the previous page.

the story goes that he had been offered what he was previously asking for, only to up the demands which also included a release clause. If that is the case, it's a clear signal he just wants to leave.

Spursmatty87 · May 24, 2018

So the melt down has began. Right there is no doubt Toby’s a great player and will improved manu. I’m personally more bothered about us.
Does he drastically weaken us? No not as I see it, Sanchez settled in better than anyone could imagined and a year in those little mistake will become fewer. Yes I’d prefer to keep toby but sometimes transfers make sense. Could we sell abroad we’ll not if the player won’t go. English clubs are gonna have to get used to dealing with each other as they have the most money.
But the most important thing in any transfer is not who you are losing but who you replace them with. The biggest disappointment with the walker sale is the replacement. Let wait and see before we lose our minds.

1882andallthat · May 24, 2018

Ben1 said:
Fully disagree with selling to rivals, unless it simply cant be avoided. To say it doesn't matter, as I keep reading, is ridiculous. Bayern have lived off it for years, Fergie and Jose openly admit to stealing other prem players as a way of both strengthening and weakening the opponent.

Ultimately, what wins the league is partly how good you are and partly how good you are comparatively. Man Utd have a great points total but no one cares, because its second place. Of course, if he must go and no one else is interested, so be it, but id much rather not.

When you factor in Wembley you realistically have to factor in giving other teams a 7-10 point head start compared to their home advantage they already had at the start of the season as we acclimatised to it so Man Utd's 81 point haul doesn't look as impressive as our 77 points tally, if you add 7-10 points to our total that more realistically represents where we were at, that's more impressive than Man Utd.

Furthermore compared to what they currently have in Smalling and or Jones, Toby represents a significant
upgrade on either of those two and its arguable that getting Toby is probably worth at least another 10-15 points for them. With the shape Man City are in with Guardiola and unlimited funds and the need the board see in consistently getting CL as a revenue stream, with the new ground to be paid for that effectively leaves 5 teams scrapping for 3 places, we simply cannot afford to give one of those other 4 a 10-15 point start, it would represent madness. If we realistically think that the addition of Martial is potentially worth another 10-15 points then consider a swap, if not we need to think very carefully about what we would be doing. The worst option of all would be to let him go to Utd for a transfer fee alone. I'm convinced that one of Barcelona PSG or RM would be interested and I'm pretty confident at least one of them would offer somewhere near what Man Utd or the Chavs would offer, and I also remain confident that if one of those 3 came in and bid and we accepted then Toby is unlikely to refuse to go to either of those 3 in the hope of going to Man Utd or the Chavs.

Hans Gruber · May 24, 2018

St José Dominguez said:
I'm with you on the only club who doesn't sell is Madrid line (although even they'd sell say Ramos if PSG offered 150m). Most Spurs fans have accepted that it is what it is and Toby has to go, but to a rival really?

As others have said he's not an Englishman who is scared of playing abroad, if Levy sat him down and said "we want to thank you for your time here, we've accepted a £45m bid from Barcelona" Toby would be over the moon and be running there.

Problem is in order for that to happen it would mean we've rejected/not chased a £60m+ bid from Utd, and therein lies the problem.

But does it really matter if us selling Toby to Barca just facilitates them selling Umtiti to United, a guy who's far younger and arguably a better all round defender?

We know United are gonna be overhauling their defence this summer. As much as i hate the idea of giving them Toby I'd rather he goes there this summer for £70m than next summer for £22m (which really would make me sick), while in the meantime watching United outbid us for De Ligt or whoever else we're after?

Hans Gruber · May 24, 2018

robertgoulet said:
I think he’s the ideal type of “backup” that we need for Kane, rather than someone whose strictly a 9. When Kane goes down you can plug Martial or Son up top and still allow them to stay sharp playing on the wings when he’s fit.

Lot of money for a backup

KenTHFC · May 24, 2018

He's done it again
He's done it againnn
Daniel Levy
He's done it again

Just waiting for the ITK that Barca 'pulled out last minute' and United offered more. Also 'goalposts got moved on Martial'

Spurs 1961 · May 24, 2018

We know Toby has been on his way out for a season. Time to end this will he won't he and sell to the highest bidder as we need the money to buy other quality players. Man U have a nice history of paying over the odds for players and we know Mourinho likes players who are older and proven. So DL just needs to milk them for as much as he can.

SpartanSpur · May 24, 2018

1882andallthat said:
When you factor in Wembley you realistically have to factor in giving other teams a 7-10 point head start compared to their home advantage they already had at the start of the season as we acclimatised to it so Man Utd's 81 point haul doesn't look as impressive as our 77 points tally, if you add 7-10 points to our total that more realistically represents where we were at, that's more impressive than Man Utd.

Furthermore compared to what they currently have in Smalling and or Jones, Toby represents a significant
upgrade on either of those two and its arguable that getting Toby is probably worth at least another 10-15 points for them. With the shape Man City are in with Guardiola and unlimited funds and the need the board see in consistently getting CL as a revenue stream, with the new ground to be paid for that effectively leaves 5 teams scrapping for 3 places, we simply cannot afford to give one of those other 4 a 10-15 point start, it would represent madness. If we realistically think that the addition of Martial is potentially worth another 10-15 points then consider a swap, if not we need to think very carefully about what we would be doing. The worst option of all would be to let him go to Utd for a transfer fee alone. I'm convinced that one of Barcelona PSG or RM would be interested and I'm pretty confident at least one of them would offer somewhere near what Man Utd or the Chavs would offer, and I also remain confident that if one of those 3 came in and bid and we accepted then Toby is unlikely to refuse to go to either of those 3 in the hope of going to Man Utd or the Chavs.

10-15 points for Alderweireld is a massive reach IMO. They already keep a load of clean sheets due to their defensive style. I don't want to sell him either but that's pure hyperbole.

The only way he improves them drastically is if he gives Mourinho the confidence to play more attacking which he won't do anyway, he'll be hoping his attacking signings achieve that.

Lilbaz · May 24, 2018

Hakkz said:
Just curious, who would be your preferred option for the role of WF/Striker?

If we could, i would love bale. Toby out, bale a cm and de ligt in i could live with.
Can't see it though.

spursfan77 · May 24, 2018

KenTHFC said:
He's done it again
He's done it againnn
Daniel Levy
He's done it again

Just waiting for the ITK that Barca 'pulled out last minute' and United offered more. Also 'goalposts got moved on Martial'

It’s almost like you’ve lived through one of our transfer windows before! ?

Ekmek · May 24, 2018

Tobys long cross balls and patience on the ball will be a key for United when going forward. I think he will strengthen them in so many ways. I do not rate their CBs high at all, Bailly is really good but Jones, Smallings and Lindelöf are shit to be honest. Getting Toby would be a huge misstake and we will suffer for it, although Sanchez has been great he will dip in form and I do not think Dier is a good CB.

Ben1 · May 24, 2018

Ekmek said:
Tobys long cross balls and patience on the ball will be a key for United when going forward. I think he will strengthen them in so many ways. I do not rate their CB high at all, Bailly is really good but Jones, Smallings and Lindelöf are shit to be honest. Getting Toby would be a huge misstake and we will suffer for it, although Sanchez has been great he will dip in form and I do not think Dier is a good CB.

A small point on United. Despite their strong defensive record, their defence isn't the greatest. De Gea often leads stats regarding saves, matching the likes of fabianski and Pickford. It's rather surprising actually for a mourinho team.

CantSmileWithoutYou · May 24, 2018

I think we are all resigned to Toby going unfortunately, let's just hope he has a phenomenal World Cup and the Spanish big boys get really interested...

Hopefully Real Madrid in a straight swap for Bale

...But I'm not holding my breath.

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