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The "Neymar challenge"

aliyid

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Far better than dribbling around deck chairs and scoring a pen past Chirpy :LOL:
 

DanielJohnCosta

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don't forget lads this was Dele a few months back, Neymar is just suffering from the fickleness of football. Find it rich that of all people, the Mexicans are poking fun at him, last I checked the Mexican league wasn't known for it's tough stay-on-their-feet football approach
 

WalkerboyUK

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don't forget lads this was Dele a few months back, Neymar is just suffering from the fickleness of football. Find it rich that of all people, the Mexicans are poking fun at him, last I checked the Mexican league wasn't known for it's tough stay-on-their-feet football approach

Not really. Alli would go down under a little bit of contact, or dive, but he wouldn't roll continuously or make out that someone had broken his leg.
Neymar is a twat, end of story.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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Not really. Alli would go down under a little bit of contact, or dive, but he wouldn't roll continuously or make out that someone had broken his leg.
Neymar is a twat, end of story.

point is he'd go down after contact, same as Neymar. You need to understand something, Neymar is one of the most heavily fouled footballers, it's going to appear more noticeable when it's happening more. I admit he sometimes plays it a little too much but the hate he gets is unreal when i guarantee every single person supports a footballer who does the same. What Miguel Layun did was disgusting, remember the foot that he stamped on was the same he had broken prior to the tournament, besides the stamp which is a straight red the act to re-injure was a low, low blow, but it was Neymar's 'rolling' that made the headlines. This is football, the sport we know and love, the sport we support and the players that, admittedly do the same. Can't accuse Dele of doing it but 'lesser'.
 

Marty

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point is he'd go down after contact, same as Neymar. You need to understand something, Neymar is one of the most heavily fouled footballers, it's going to appear more noticeable when it's happening more. I admit he sometimes plays it a little too much but the hate he gets is unreal when i guarantee every single person supports a footballer who does the same. What Miguel Layun did was disgusting, remember the foot that he stamped on was the same he had broken prior to the tournament, besides the stamp which is a straight red the act to re-injure was a low, low blow, but it was Neymar's 'rolling' that made the headlines. This is football, the sport we know and love, the sport we support and the players that, admittedly do the same. Can't accuse Dele of doing it but 'lesser'.
The exaggeration is what makes Neymar's actions so pitiful. Messi is fouled a comparable number of times in La Liga and I can't remember ever seeing him writhe in fake-agony only to get up thirty seconds later like nothing ever happened.

And even the writhing, yes lots and lots of players do it but literally nobody does it on the scale and so shamelessly as Neymar. He was down on the floor for 14 whole minutes during the group stage and when he hasn't been properly hurt on any of those occasions that's just crazy and wrong. He's a worse time-waster than Pulis' West Brom!

And if Neymar exaggerates so much because he's shit scared of getting injured again then he has a mental issue that really should prevent him from even playing football at all.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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The exaggeration is what makes Neymar's actions so pitiful. Messi is fouled a comparable number of times in La Liga and I can't remember ever seeing him writhe in fake-agony only to get up thirty seconds later like nothing ever happened.

And even the writhing, yes lots and lots of players do it but literally nobody does it on the scale and so shamelessly as Neymar. He was down on the floor for 14 whole minutes during the group stage and when he hasn't been properly hurt on any of those occasions that's just crazy and wrong. He's a worse time-waster than Pulis' West Brom!

And if Neymar exaggerates so much because he's shit scared of getting injured again then he has a mental issue that really should prevent him from even playing football at all.

so out of the 14 minutes, how much of it was because he was being fouled, play acting etc. and what is the closest person in that department? Stats can look favourable how ever you decide to read them. Like I said, he does play act, no more than any other person IMO, if it's doing a roll or holding his ankle (many of your favourite players) it's all play acting.

He's a victim of the taste of the season, Dele had his turn, Ronaldo used to be known as the worst and that has all of a sudden dissapeared. Neymar did it a couple games in the WC and all of a sudden the abuse he gets is unreal.

All I ask is for consistency, if youre willing to slam Neymar as a human next time one of our own do it, go down injured only to be fine 1 minute later than you can't turn a blind eye.
 

WalkerboyUK

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Kane has been kicked all over the place during England's games, but he's not a cheating **** who does his best to ensure opponents are booked or sent off. He gets up, gets on with the game and delivers revenge by scoring.
For what its worth, when I see the likes of Lamela and Co feign injury it also pisses me off.

The point is that Neymar should be doing his best to prove he's up there as one of the best in the world. Instead he chooses to roll around on the floor.
 

rossdapep

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so out of the 14 minutes, how much of it was because he was being fouled, play acting etc. and what is the closest person in that department? Stats can look favourable how ever you decide to read them. Like I said, he does play act, no more than any other person IMO, if it's doing a roll or holding his ankle (many of your favourite players) it's all play acting.

He's a victim of the taste of the season, Dele had his turn, Ronaldo used to be known as the worst and that has all of a sudden dissapeared. Neymar did it a couple games in the WC and all of a sudden the abuse he gets is unreal.

All I ask is for consistency, if youre willing to slam Neymar as a human next time one of our own do it, go down injured only to be fine 1 minute later than you can't turn a blind eye.
I've defended Neymar a lot in the past and it's important to understand why he writhes around, certainly since Zuniga crashed into his back and caused him serious injury. However, he is taking things too far now, I understand the need to highlight when he has been fouled but to roll and roll and roll every time is taking things too far.

Secondly his diving and nonsense hurt Brazil badly in this tournament. Rather than focus purely on getting into good situations he's already thinking about going down under minimal contact and trying to get players sent off. If he had have just focused on the best for his team instead of making everything about him then Brazil may actually have gone further. His quest to gain Ronaldo legendary status as opposed to let things come to him naturally by just playing has had a huge affect on his team. Since he moved to PSG last season he's taken his ego to a new level and rather than pander to it, someone needs to get it into his head that his career could pass and people's memory of him will be shrouded in humour and mockery.
 

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I've defended Neymar a lot in the past and it's important to understand why he writhes around, certainly since Zuniga crashed into his back and caused him serious injury. However, he is taking things too far now, I understand the need to highlight when he has been fouled but to roll and roll and roll every time is taking things too far.

Secondly his diving and nonsense hurt Brazil badly in this tournament. Rather than focus purely on getting into good situations he's already thinking about going down under minimal contact and trying to get players sent off. If he had have just focused on the best for his team instead of making everything about him then Brazil may actually have gone further. His quest to gain Ronaldo legendary status as opposed to let things come to him naturally by just playing has had a huge affect on his team. Since he moved to PSG last season he's taken his ego to a new level and rather than pander to it, someone needs to get it into his head that his career could pass and people's memory of him will be shrouded in humour and mockery.

Rumours that his ego is causing major issues between him and M'Bappe as well, which will almost certainly result in one of them leaving this summer.
 

DanielJohnCosta

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Rumours that his ego is causing major issues between him and M'Bappe as well, which will almost certainly result in one of them leaving this summer.

rumours... the same that send Kane to Madrid ever window. The same rumours that the national team was all against him after the matches, only for that to be put to bed. Don't let media paint the picture of who he is
 

DanielJohnCosta

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I've defended Neymar a lot in the past and it's important to understand why he writhes around, certainly since Zuniga crashed into his back and caused him serious injury. However, he is taking things too far now, I understand the need to highlight when he has been fouled but to roll and roll and roll every time is taking things too far.

Secondly his diving and nonsense hurt Brazil badly in this tournament. Rather than focus purely on getting into good situations he's already thinking about going down under minimal contact and trying to get players sent off. If he had have just focused on the best for his team instead of making everything about him then Brazil may actually have gone further. His quest to gain Ronaldo legendary status as opposed to let things come to him naturally by just playing has had a huge affect on his team. Since he moved to PSG last season he's taken his ego to a new level and rather than pander to it, someone needs to get it into his head that his career could pass and people's memory of him will be shrouded in humour and mockery.

appreciate the post, I will disagree with him being the problem for Brazil. We are talking about the 'kid' who at 26 has 95 goals/assists for his nature compared to the national treasure, greatest footballer of all time for brazil Ronaldo Lima 49 in total.

Neymar was born in a brazilian era where he has to do it all by himself, the hate for what he has done for his national is amazing. He is the reason they do as well as they have in recent years
 

Marty

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appreciate the post, I will disagree with him being the problem for Brazil. We are talking about the 'kid' who at 26 has 95 goals/assists for his nature compared to the national treasure, greatest footballer of all time for brazil Ronaldo Lima 49 in total.

Neymar was born in a brazilian era where he has to do it all by himself, the hate for what he has done for his national is amazing. He is the reason they do as well as they have in recent years
And if he hadn't tried to con a penalty against Costa Rica from a position where it looked easier to get a shot off....

His antics were breaking up play at times where Brazil needed momentum and stoppages were only helping the opposition. That is why some say he hindered them in this tournament. Though I would say Tite not selecting Douglas Costa over Willian and especially Firmino over the haplessly misfiring Jesus were bigger issues. (And I know Jesus was superb in qualifying but he was so clearly off his game all tournament.)

Re the Layun incident, also note that Layun steps on the ref's boot with his heel as well as on on Neymar. The ref didn't even flinch. It can't have been that hard.

And as for the 14 minutes on the floor, yes he was fouled a pretty substantial number of times but if you're not hurt or at worst winded you don't need more than maybe 10-15 seconds to get back up. Kane was fouled 11 times v Tunisia alone and never wasted time writhing around when England needed a goal.

And it looks just as daft and is just as bad when anyone else does it. Neymar's supposed to be the natural heir to Messi and Ronaldo so we expect better from him and he is undoubtedly easier to mock. But if he wants to be the best he has to take the extra attention and flak.
 

rossdapep

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appreciate the post, I will disagree with him being the problem for Brazil. We are talking about the 'kid' who at 26 has 95 goals/assists for his nature compared to the national treasure, greatest footballer of all time for brazil Ronaldo Lima 49 in total.

Neymar was born in a brazilian era where he has to do it all by himself, the hate for what he has done for his national is amazing. He is the reason they do as well as they have in recent years
His goalscoring record for his national team is superb and up until two years ago I was of the opinion that Neymar could lead his team to glory in this WC and he could be spoken about as one of the WC greats if so. But I started to have doubts with some aspects of his character. The PSG move, the Cavani penalty furore and some performances leading up to the tournament, add in the crying during press conferences and this is a player who is only thinking about seeing his name associated with the Balon D'Or. I'm sorry but Brazilian's have put too much faith in him and put him on this pedestal that he hasn't quite deserved just yet.

Even Tite, who I think is a great coach, started to give Neymar to much importance over the balance of the team. Everything had to go through Neymar, I don't know how many times I saw a player reject a move in favour of passing to Ney. This has certainly harmed Brazil and whilst Costa and Firmino not starting undoubtedly had an affect too, I do believe Neymar needing to be on the ball and needing to draw a foul rather than try score has been detrimental to the team.

RE: Ronaldo. He actually scored 62? I think if it wasn't for his unfortunate injuries 'O Fenomeno' would have hit a lot more than this. Secondly, other than the unfortunate events that happened in France, Ronaldo always stepped up and just let the football do the talking. That's why he will go down as a great and why Neymar has that question mark hanging over him.

I think back to Neymar's performance against PSG in that 6-1 victory and he was incredible. Why? Because he simply focused on the game, no nonsense, he just got his head straight and did everything for the good of the team.
 

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DanielJohnCosta As mentioned- the problem is he's got immense talent but his attitude ego and antics make it impossible to like him. I mean I loved Ronaldo, Ronaldinho etc. but i've tried and tried to like him, but can't stand this guy. Worth pointing out, this isn't just based on the World Cup as being mentioned but a long time prior. You say he doesn't do it any more than anyone else but I'm pretty sure he does and that's why he stands out, when he should stand out for his talent. You've literally got all neutrals cheering every time he's fouled, where if you saw those fouls on Ronaldinho/Messi etc. they would all be cursing. I feel like you stick up for him because he's Brazilian (though apologies if not) but if universally everyone can't stand him, even fans (and players) of his former and current clubs, then maybe it is him and not everyone else. There's been plenty Brazilians worthy of the love and your defending of them, but this guy just isn't.
 
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