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The Summer Transfer Window POST MORTEM THREAD

Hakkz

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Jul 6, 2012
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Ugh.

See, the reason why I'm not your biggest fan, BBLG, isn't because you're chief of the eternal optimists, it's because you're just so very unfunny.

Oh I see. This explains a lot of the recent posts around here. :smug:
 

TorontoYid

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May 30, 2013
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Remember the itk that said that levy is happy to spend ?

I am doubtful the itk had the connections to know what assurances were made reliably. Poch has no agent and Levy ain’t leaking anything ..
True though I highly doubt he was made aware that he would be left with the exact squad that was lacking in depth, no reliable striker backup (Son is good but we suffer when Kane is out) and fell short of winning the league for the last 3 seasons. I doubt any manager would be happy, when signing a new contract, getting told we would do absolutely nothing in the transfer window.
 

dtxspurs

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Keita Balde going to Inter on loan with an option to buy, wonder if he was the player that turned us down... again.
 

teok

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https://www.football365.com/news/the-2018-premier-league-transfer-window-the-losers

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Tottenham

“I have very clear ideas of what we need to do. I don’t know if the club will agree with me or not. We are going to talk next week to create the new project. It is a little bit up to Daniel and the club to agree with us.​
“If we want to be real contenders for big trophies, we need to review a little bit the thing. We need to create dreams that will be possible to achieve. I think Daniel is going to listen to me, of course. You need to be brave. Being brave is the most important thing and take risks.”​

The words of Mauricio Pochettino at the end of last season, before he signed a new five-year contract. Not unreasonably, that was taken as a sign that Spurs would do as he asked. And, as the man himself has acknowledged, they have. In a way.

Of the 19 current Premier League teams who didn’t win the title by 19 points last season, 18 have bought at least three new players. Tottenham have bought none. In so doing they become the first Premier League team to draw a blank in a summer transfer window since it was introduced in 2003. It’s certainly brave. And it’s certainly a risk.

There are excuses and mitigations. The rising costs of delivering a £1bn building project (that also currently looks to my admittedly entirely untrained eye some way short of completion barely a month out from its great unveiling, but that’s another matter) are one, the difficulty in improving an already over-achieving, over-performing squad is another.

Spurs have also – European vultures notwithstanding – retained all of their existing first-team squad as Daniel Levy finally realises the dream of the perfect net-spend summer. While fears of initial World Cup weariness are valid, it’s also reasonable to assume that a still young squad will ultimately be stronger for so many of its key components being involved so deep into proceedings in Russia.

If – and that word is doing much heavy lifting here – Toby Alderweireld and Pochettino are willing to rebuild bridges and trust then it’s arguably a positive window given the Belgian’s departure appeared inevitable all summer. Elsewhere, January arrival Lucas Moura has had a full Poch pre-season and might actually be – no, stop it – like a new signing.

And a club that has had far more misses than hits when spending big money (divide the current squad into ‘cost more than £20m’ and ‘cost less than £20m’ and see where you end up) was also right – brave, even – not to sign players for the sake of it at the end of the window. You don’t want another Moussa Sissoko on your hands.

Spurs’ biggest problem this summer was ultimately their inability to correct the errors of previous windows still clogging up Hotspur Way. At time of writing, Vincent Janssen remains a Tottenham player, for Christ’s sake. Don’t add more to it.

But it’s still just really, really weird isn’t it? Not one signing. Not one! In a whole (admittedly curtailed) summer!

There are two things. One, the idea starting to float around that Spurs’ squad is unimprovable at their budget. It doesn’t wash. There are other areas where improvement could have been made, but there’s a big neon flashing sign with ‘CENTRAL MIDFIELD’ written on it.

Jack Grealish was clearly a target, and Spurs bungled it by not getting that deal done early in the window before Aston Villa’s takeover by some of the richest men in the world changed the balance of power somewhat. But did a Premier League scouting network truly conclude there was nothing that could be done to improve on Eric Dier, an ageing Mousa Dembele and injury-prone duo Harry Winks and Victor Wanyama?

Spurs have some outrageously talented youngsters coming through, but when Sissoko appears in central midfield – and he will – the idea that Spurs’ squad could not have been augmented is going to be an interesting position to adopt.

More importantly than the specifics is the mood of the place. Tottenham fans can expect little sympathy from outside. They are about to move into a stunning new stadium to watch a likable side play lovely football. They’ve been had, though. The season-ticket prices at the new stadium are some of the highest in world football. The cheapest junior season ticket is almost £400. Most season tickets at the new ground start around the £1,000 mark.

When these were announced to grumbles from the fans, the need to compete financially with the biggest clubs was part of the club’s justification. Had the club said at the end of the season that this summer would be spent focusing on tying down current players to new deals, backing the youth system and delivering a world-class new stadium, perhaps making a signing or two along the way if the opportunity arose, then fans would likely be more understanding today. But when season tickets were being purchased and memberships renewed they were promised bravery and risk-taking. Their expectation that it was not this kind of bravery and risk-taking was reasonable.

Pochettino was right to make the best of the situation yesterday and build up his (excellent) existing squad and express hope that youngsters can step up. But Spurs cannot pretend this was the plan all along. Something’s gone wrong. The fans deserve a proper explanation.
 
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the lad

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Jan 31, 2013
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My genuine nightmare scenario. It reeks of the tragic irony that comes with supporting this brilliantly mad club in the Levy era

I won’t sleep tonight after reading that nightmare scenario. The balls up Levy made of this window is enough of a sleep stealer never mind Mourinho being our coach.
 

doctor stefan Freud

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Sep 2, 2013
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Can we please dispense with the snide insults and bickering?

Certain posters are of one school of thought, others have a different view. It happens all the time, it isn't the end of the world and I'd guess that there's stuff that's both right and wrong from both ends of the argument. So there's no need for all this stuff.

Thank you.
Hey big man, I’ve missed you! See you in the madness of the January window
 

scottlag10

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Aug 18, 2012
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It doesn't matter what fans think about the transfer window...it's what Poch and the players think that's important so let's hope they are all ok with how it worked out.
On a positive note Athletico Madrid could not buy anybody last season, they moved into a new stadium and tied their best players to New contracts. They finished one place higher and won a cup!
 

dagraham

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It doesn't matter what fans think about the transfer window...it's what Poch and the players think that's important so let's hope they are all ok with how it worked out.
On a positive note Athletico Madrid could not buy anybody last season, they moved into a new stadium and tied their best players to New contracts. They finished one place higher and won a cup!

Agree just how important it is that the manager and senior players are not disillusioned and are fully on board with what we’re doing.

However, ignoring fans concerns are not a good idea in the long run. They are the life blood of the club, and treating them like replaceable customers, who will just lap up huge price increases and swallow any old bullshit is not the wisest thing to do. Particularly when having a 62,000 stadium to fill when the novelty has worn off.
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
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https://www.football365.com/news/the-2018-premier-league-transfer-window-the-losers


Tottenham

“I have very clear ideas of what we need to do. I don’t know if the club will agree with me or not. We are going to talk next week to create the new project. It is a little bit up to Daniel and the club to agree with us.​
“If we want to be real contenders for big trophies, we need to review a little bit the thing. We need to create dreams that will be possible to achieve. I think Daniel is going to listen to me, of course. You need to be brave. Being brave is the most important thing and take risks.”​

The words of Mauricio Pochettino at the end of last season, before he signed a new five-year contract. Not unreasonably, that was taken as a sign that Spurs would do as he asked. And, as the man himself has acknowledged, they have. In a way.

Of the 19 current Premier League teams who didn’t win the title by 19 points last season, 18 have bought at least three new players. Tottenham have bought none. In so doing they become the first Premier League team to draw a blank in a summer transfer window since it was introduced in 2003. It’s certainly brave. And it’s certainly a risk.

There are excuses and mitigations. The rising costs of delivering a £1bn building project (that also currently looks to my admittedly entirely untrained eye some way short of completion barely a month out from its great unveiling, but that’s another matter) are one, the difficulty in improving an already over-achieving, over-performing squad is another.

Spurs have also – European vultures notwithstanding – retained all of their existing first-team squad as Daniel Levy finally realises the dream of the perfect net-spend summer. While fears of initial World Cup weariness are valid, it’s also reasonable to assume that a still young squad will ultimately be stronger for so many of its key components being involved so deep into proceedings in Russia.

If – and that word is doing much heavy lifting here – Toby Alderweireld and Pochettino are willing to rebuild bridges and trust then it’s arguably a positive window given the Belgian’s departure appeared inevitable all summer. Elsewhere, January arrival Lucas Moura has had a full Poch pre-season and might actually be – no, stop it – like a new signing.

And a club that has had far more misses than hits when spending big money (divide the current squad into ‘cost more than £20m’ and ‘cost less than £20m’ and see where you end up) was also right – brave, even – not to sign players for the sake of it at the end of the window. You don’t want another Moussa Sissoko on your hands.

Spurs’ biggest problem this summer was ultimately their inability to correct the errors of previous windows still clogging up Hotspur Way. At time of writing, Vincent Janssen remains a Tottenham player, for Christ’s sake. Don’t add more to it.

But it’s still just really, really weird isn’t it? Not one signing. Not one! In a whole (admittedly curtailed) summer!

There are two things. One, the idea starting to float around that Spurs’ squad is unimprovable at their budget. It doesn’t wash. There are other areas where improvement could have been made, but there’s a big neon flashing sign with ‘CENTRAL MIDFIELD’ written on it.

Jack Grealish was clearly a target, and Spurs bungled it by not getting that deal done early in the window before Aston Villa’s takeover by some of the richest men in the world changed the balance of power somewhat. But did a Premier League scouting network truly conclude there was nothing that could be done to improve on Eric Dier, an ageing Mousa Dembele and injury-prone duo Harry Winks and Victor Wanyama?

Spurs have some outrageously talented youngsters coming through, but when Sissoko appears in central midfield – and he will – the idea that Spurs’ squad could not have been augmented is going to be an interesting position to adopt.

More importantly than the specifics is the mood of the place. Tottenham fans can expect little sympathy from outside. They are about to move into a stunning new stadium to watch a likable side play lovely football. They’ve been had, though. The season-ticket prices at the new stadium are some of the highest in world football. The cheapest junior season ticket is almost £400. Most season tickets at the new ground start around the £1,000 mark.

When these were announced to grumbles from the fans, the need to compete financially with the biggest clubs was part of the club’s justification. Had the club said at the end of the season that this summer would be spent focusing on tying down current players to new deals, backing the youth system and delivering a world-class new stadium, perhaps making a signing or two along the way if the opportunity arose, then fans would likely be more understanding today. But when season tickets were being purchased and memberships renewed they were promised bravery and risk-taking. Their expectation that it was not this kind of bravery and risk-taking was reasonable.

Pochettino was right to make the best of the situation yesterday and build up his (excellent) existing squad and express hope that youngsters can step up. But Spurs cannot pretend this was the plan all along. Something’s gone wrong. The fans deserve a proper explanation.
That’s a brilliant piece of analysis, covering the complex reactions to the window by a range of sensibilities
 

teok

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That’s a brilliant piece of analysis, covering the complex reactions to the window by a range of sensibilities

Football 365 is really good they deserve more exposure. I used to link them on the front page a lot I think I'll try and put some effort in again this season.
 

spud

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Sep 2, 2003
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I like a shiny new player as much as the next fan but, like others, while I think getting the right player(s) would certainly have helped this season, I don't think it's the most important thing.

I've long held the belief that the manager is the most important person in any football club, and we currently have the best that we've had since Keith Burkinshaw, possibly since (Sir) Bill. Venables and Jol were good, but Poch is better, and gives us the best chance for a generation to win titles (league and CL). It's obvious how difficult it is to get a good manager - you only have to look at how many we've had in the last few years - but Daniel Levy got it right four years ago and it's imperative that Poch stays.

So the most important thing isn't whether we've signed the midfielder that we think we need or that we've kept all of our first team squad, the most important thing is whether Poch is happy. I don't mean that he's happy that we haven't signed players that he probably wanted, because he wants us to improve and may well be pissed off that he hasn't been given the tools to help us to do so. I mean is whether he still has the same mindset that he did earlier in the summer when he signed his new contract.

When he signed for a further five years there was a good chance that Madrid would want him, but he signed anyway. He was obviously comfortable with the 'project' and the fact that he would be able to take us to the very top. So the important thing isn't what has happened in the transfer window, it's whether our manager's perception of the club and its ambition has changed. If it hasn't then I'm confident that our progress will continue and we will win the trophies that we all want.

Of course I'm disturbed by reports from @Trix and @Hercules that Levy fucked up the window, and particularly when @ValenciaYid tells us that chairman and manager weren't speaking last week. But if Poch believes that everybody is still pulling in the same direction and any setbacks in this window were just that, setbacks, then I think and hope that we'll be fine. But if he doesn't..........

I guess we'll find out which it is in the next year or so.
 
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doctor stefan Freud

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Sep 2, 2013
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Do we know if the Goat bleat from June 2nd, 2018 still holds as far as Dele and Eriksen signing new contracts?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/update-29-the-goat-on-contracts.132982/
This is the key to the mood within the camp; if they have signed/will sign imminently then that’s good. If this isn’t the case, consider the relationship between Poch and Levy damaged. I’m not being wilfully emotive or hyperbolic here; we were told by one of our top itk that they were going to sign early in the transfer window, an itk who got it right with Poch and Kane at roughly the same time. So if it transpires they have now not signed these deals, it’s likely a sign they’re not as happy now as they were in June
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
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I struggle with this for three reasons that have nothing to do with the contents of the article so nothing personal, leGin!
Firstly, it’s The Mail,
Secondly, it’s Peter Crouch- the man that slept with a teenage prostitute when he was already engaged,
Thirdly, The Mail ravaged him for it for being immoral. And now he’s working for them. Hypocrites, the lot of them
 
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