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ardiles

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Lloris has been called up by Deschamps for the upcoming French NT games.


Tottenham star will still join up with national squad despite injury being confirmed

It’s been a bit of a rollercoaster of a week or so for Hugo Lloris.

Tottenham goalkeeper then went on to help his side beat Manchester United 3-0 at Old Trafford before picking up an injury that will see him miss this weekend’s clash against Watford with a thigh injury.
This was announced on Friday by Spurs, a day after Didier Deschamps announced his captain would be a part of his upcoming France squad.
However, RMC Sport report that, despite his injury, Lloris will still join up with his national team at Clairefontaine for the upcoming international break, during which the world champions will face Germany and Holland in the UEFA Nations League.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/tottenham-star-will-still-join-national-squad-despite-injury-confirmed/
 

ajspurs

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I seem to be happier when Gazzaniga is in goals, I worry more either Vorm.

I personally don't get why people prefer Gazzaniga to Vorm. He was fine in the game he did play for us, but I watched him a few times for Saints and he was very shaky, hence why I was initially surprised we even went for him.

In fact all you have to do is read through Saints forums to see that even their opinion of him was quite low.
 

Yid-ol

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I personally don't get why people prefer Gazzaniga to Vorm. He was fine in the game he did play for us, but I watched him a few times for Saints and he was very shaky, hence why I was initially surprised we even went for him.

In fact all you have to do is read through Saints forums to see that even their opinion of him was quite low.

If you put lloris in the Southampton team, he wouldn't be the same player he is for us. I judge the player on how he plays for us and not another team with different players.
 

ajspurs

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If you put lloris in the Southampton team, he wouldn't be the same player he is for us. I judge the player on how he plays for us and not another team with different players.

Well I can't say you're flat out wrong as it's your opinion, but whether or not Lloris would be the same player, I still think you'd see his quality even in a lesser team. Plus in a lot of cases I agree, but that doesn't mean I'd be optimistic over the performance of say, Fraser Forster or Joe Hart if they signed for us, I'd be worried as fuck. I just find it odd especially as Vorm has performed solidly for the most part whenever he's featured for us and like said, Gazzaniga has only played once.
 

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but I watched him a few times for Saints and he was very shaky, hence why I was initially surprised we even went for him.
Seriously?

He has played 4 times for Saints since 2014 - when he was 22 - and in those 4 matches, you not only happened to watch, but actually remember? And have decided that he was "shaky" and not worth a spot as a 3rd Keeper?
 

ajspurs

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Seriously?

He has played 4 times for Saints since 2014 - when he was 22 - and in those 4 matches, you not only happened to watch, but actually remember? And have decided that he was "shaky" and not worth a spot as a 3rd Keeper?

Well yeah.... I'll be completely honest mate, I live in Southampton and I admit I don't remember exactly why I thought he was shaky, as in the very specifics but I just remember thinking it, speaking about it to my Southampton supporting friends and hoping that he'd stay in goal for them as I always wanted them to lose. Here are what Saints fans had to say and i'm not trying to start some sort of witch hunt against him, but I didn't think what I thought for no reason and I wasn't alone in thinking it. He may be completely different now, but when my memories of him aren't great (and admittedly not vast) forgive me for not being the most encouraged by him.

Saints fans:

Out of contract next summer and I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if he gets a new one.

Still not very good

His main weakness is that he is just poor. This is not based on yesterday but also Man City away last season where he (and Chambers) were dreadful.

I don't understand why he hasn't had at least a loan spell. I also never expected him to have as many first team performances as he does already, without first trying it out for smaller clubs. L2 to the PL is a massive jump.

Main strength: Fetching the ball from the back of the net.

Main weakness: Letting it get there.

Strengths: swarthy Latin looks. Good hair.

Weaknesses: Goalkeeping.

Strengths = he's a good looking lad

Weakness = being a goal keeper

Strengths - none

Weaknesses - Anytime a ball comes near him.

I don't like him. Not for me.

He's more athletic than Kelvin Davis and less crippled by injuries than Steckelenberg. But, he doesn't seem to have the mentality to concentrate for a whole game, and the degree of concentration required from a PL goalkeeper is exceptional.

He isn't good enough and we'd know by now if he was. Produces some good'ish performances but too many mistakes to be considered a top flight GK. Champ or league 1 is his level IMO.
 

ajspurs

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Seriously?

He has played 4 times for Saints since 2014 - when he was 22 - and in those 4 matches, you not only happened to watch, but actually remember? And have decided that he was "shaky" and not worth a spot as a 3rd Keeper?

Also, I never said he was not worth a spot as a 3rd keeper, I have no problem with him being our 3rd keeper. I would have a problem with him being selected over Vorm though, at least initially. Maybe my opinion would change afterwards, who knows.
 

Yid-ol

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Well yeah.... I'll be completely honest mate, I live in Southampton and I admit I don't remember exactly why I thought he was shaky, as in the very specifics but I just remember thinking it, speaking about it to my Southampton supporting friends and hoping that he'd stay in goal for them as I always wanted them to lose. Here are what Saints fans had to say and i'm not trying to start some sort of witch hunt against him, but I didn't think what I thought for no reason and I wasn't alone in thinking it. He may be completely different now, but when my memories of him aren't great (and admittedly not vast) forgive me for not being the most encouraged by him.

Saints fans:

Out of contract next summer and I will eat Paddy Ashdown's hat if he gets a new one.

Still not very good

His main weakness is that he is just poor. This is not based on yesterday but also Man City away last season where he (and Chambers) were dreadful.

I don't understand why he hasn't had at least a loan spell. I also never expected him to have as many first team performances as he does already, without first trying it out for smaller clubs. L2 to the PL is a massive jump.

Main strength: Fetching the ball from the back of the net.

Main weakness: Letting it get there.

Strengths: swarthy Latin looks. Good hair.

Weaknesses: Goalkeeping.

Strengths = he's a good looking lad

Weakness = being a goal keeper

Strengths - none

Weaknesses - Anytime a ball comes near him.

I don't like him. Not for me.

He's more athletic than Kelvin Davis and less crippled by injuries than Steckelenberg. But, he doesn't seem to have the mentality to concentrate for a whole game, and the degree of concentration required from a PL goalkeeper is exceptional.

He isn't good enough and we'd know by now if he was. Produces some good'ish performances but too many mistakes to be considered a top flight GK. Champ or league 1 is his level IMO.


Kane got average to below-average reports from Orient fans last season. Poor touch and vision, looks slow, decision making a bit off. He got a decent return for them though, and seems to always score for the youth. Hopefully he's been improving fast. I wouldn't get too excited about him yet. There's a reason he hasn't got much of a look despite his goalscoring record. Also, he is a deep-lying forward so not exactly the saviour we are after.


He is a championship player at best, actually reminds me of ginger pele and Raziak.

He was billed with a fair amount of hype and so far hasn't lived up to it.

Different players develop and peak at different times. Kane got a chance in the Europa this season and didn't look ready. Off the pace, heavy touch and didn't impose himself up-front.


A couple of posts from the Kane thread from his first few games for us, couldn't find the Bale one or would have had more of the same.....

My point is players change and fans get it wrong also.
 

Lighty64

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Well I can't say you're flat out wrong as it's your opinion, but whether or not Lloris would be the same player, I still think you'd see his quality even in a lesser team. Plus in a lot of cases I agree, but that doesn't mean I'd be optimistic over the performance of say, Fraser Forster or Joe Hart if they signed for us, I'd be worried as fuck. I just find it odd especially as Vorm has performed solidly for the most part whenever he's featured for us and like said, Gazzaniga has only played once.

Ray Clemence was superb for Lollerpool, and even though he had his moments, he never quite had the same effect for us, and cost us a place in the Cup winners cup (or UEFA Cup) final or semi's v Barca
 

ajspurs

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Kane got average to below-average reports from Orient fans last season. Poor touch and vision, looks slow, decision making a bit off. He got a decent return for them though, and seems to always score for the youth. Hopefully he's been improving fast. I wouldn't get too excited about him yet. There's a reason he hasn't got much of a look despite his goalscoring record. Also, he is a deep-lying forward so not exactly the saviour we are after.


He is a championship player at best, actually reminds me of ginger pele and Raziak.

He was billed with a fair amount of hype and so far hasn't lived up to it.

Different players develop and peak at different times. Kane got a chance in the Europa this season and didn't look ready. Off the pace, heavy touch and didn't impose himself up-front.


A couple of posts from the Kane thread from his first few games for us, couldn't find the Bale one or would have had more of the same.....

My point is players change and fans get it wrong also.

Absolutely, of course players change and there's every chance Gazzaniga could become good or is better already. I just wouldn't want to see him over Vorm who has tons more experience at the top level and has never been much of a problem for us in goal at all. I think it's much more of a risk and what would IMO be an unnecessary risk to chuck a 3rd choice keeper in goal for only his second league match over a decent keeper who's had dozens of games in the PL.

I also think the GK position can be a little different. In such cases without your first choice keeper, I think you sometimes just want a cool and composed head in goal to take that place.
 

Shadydan

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What's so good about Gazzaniga? I know he played that one blinding match against Palace but other than that is he meant to be rated?
 

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Vorm for sure. I am not that fussed as long as we have Toby, Jan and Dav in front of him, who cares!!
 

ajspurs

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Ray Clemence was superb for Lollerpool, and even though he had his moments, he never quite had the same effect for us, and cost us a place in the Cup winners cup (or UEFA Cup) final or semi's v Barca

I can't really comment on that as it's before my time :D But I appreciate the info :)
 

Lighty64

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I can't really comment on that as it's before my time :D But I appreciate the info :)

I watched 2 of the games in the ICC, and Gazzaniga looked pretty good in his small amount of mins appearances. my own opinion was he looked better than Vorm

what makes a good keeper better is the 4/5 players just in front of him, and the quality of the keeping coaches
 

ajspurs

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I watched 2 of the games in the ICC, and Gazzaniga looked pretty good in his small amount of mins appearances. my own opinion was he looked better than Vorm

what makes a good keeper better is the 4/5 players just in front of him, and the quality of the keeping coaches

N'Koudou looked pretty good too :D But I get what you mean, you're entitled to your opinion (y)

I didn't actually see him in goal there, and maybe he looked very reassuring! I can only go on what I have seen and know though.
 

Lighty64

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N'Koudou looked pretty good too :D But I get what you mean, you're entitled to your opinion (y)

I didn't actually see him in goal there, and maybe he looked very reassuring! I can only go on what I have seen and know though.

and that's my point Southampton defence or Spurs defence, a big difference. their goalkeepers will always be busier than ours, which if there are any weaknesses will show up more.
 

ajspurs

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and that's my point Southampton defence or Spurs defence, a big difference. their goalkeepers will always be busier than ours, which if there are any weaknesses will show up more.

But you can still in some cases accurately judge a keeper regardless of whether they have a weak defence in front or not, it can go either way in regard to whether their level is raised or stays the same. Ben Foster, currently at Saints McCarthy, Heaton/Pope etc. All keepers who will be reasonably busy but you can still see they're competent and Joe Hart for instance, would still look shit in goal for even Man City.

I'm only going on what I've seen from the keeper alone, the effect of the defence in front though is something that can only be measured when tested.
 
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