New Stadium Details And Discussions

nicdic · Sep 5, 2018

coys200 said:
If you think levy is paying £3m a game ? we paid £20m for all of last season. Times actually said in 2015 that we were paying £15m. So last season was somewhere around £15-20m. Sure I heard NFL pay £500k. So it’s nowhere near £2-3m.

There's a massive difference to agreeing a contract for a season, or recurring deal for multiple games a year (NFL) to having to pay ad-hoc. That's where the difference has come from. I doubt the numbers have come from nowhere. We thought we'd be in the stadium for the season, then thought it would be one game at Wembley. Now it's turned into seven games (minimum) at Wembley and one at MK Dons. That's gonna cost.

Saoirse · Sep 5, 2018

You'd hope though that the incompetents who messed up the wiring would be liable for our additional costs?

TottenhamMattSpur · Sep 5, 2018

I doubt anyone knows who messed it up.
From all accounts, there's a huge turnover of staff, so it could have been any one of hundreds of people that worked there when it was installed.

coys200 · Sep 5, 2018

I don’t think Wembley is ad hoc. We had an option for 2nd season, now we are taking it up.

Hoopspur · Sep 5, 2018

I think Wembley would be pretty straight with us. Of course they want to make money, but they have to be realistic. After all it’s all extra money in the coffers. There will be increased costs on their part though - bit by bit costs for staff, security etc.

Phischy · Sep 5, 2018

coys200 said:
I don’t think Wembley is ad hoc. We had an option for 2nd season, now we are taking it up.

I suspect the trouble is that our option for the second season is based on a whole season... Therefore, if we paid, for argument's sake £20m for the first, using that option might mean a further £20m payment, but which is going to be for 7 games rather than 20-something. Or, there may be a reduction, but not on a proportional basis. I am sure it has a lot to do with the need for Wembley to cover fixed costs and the cost to them of being flexible to Tottenham and protecting dates or a permitted number of uses under the planning permission which they could otherwise sell to other promoters

My point is, the second year contract will inevitably have written into it an increased 'per game' cost or the requirement to pay either a full year or a significant chunk of it even with significantly reduced usage. It's no different to the difference in cost between renting a house for a year or a holiday cottage for a few weeks.

dsl · Sep 5, 2018

is that a fact or speculation.

worcestersauce · Sep 5, 2018

Ok so we now have five lighting gantries none of which have any lights on them, presumably we would have laid the pitch by now if we'd been playing Liverpool so were we originally going to install the gantries and lights after the turf was down? At the rate they are going that has to be the case which does tend to confirm the fact that we've taken a decision to delay the laying of the turf and if so, we must be confident that the pitch itself and it's installation will be straightforward.
I can see that is the sensible decision and so am willing to support the club in taking it but it really is getting me down, I want to see a pitch in the middle of the bowl, to me, when the grass is there it will be a football ground with a few internal odds and ends to finish off but until then it is still a building site.

spursfan77 · Sep 5, 2018

coys200 said:
I don’t think Wembley is ad hoc. We had an option for 2nd season, now we are taking it up.

Wasn't there news that we've only paid up until the end of 2018?

They'd have to be the application for more games at a certain capacity at wembley again and things like that. They'd be in the public realm the minute they happen so we would know. I guess that might not of happened yet though

manic041 · Sep 5, 2018

worcestersauce said:
Ok so we now have five lighting gantries none of which have any lights on them, presumably we would have laid the pitch by now if we'd been playing Liverpool so were we originally going to install the gantries and lights after the turf was down? At the rate they are going that has to be the case which does tend to confirm the fact that we've taken a decision to delay the laying of the turf and if so, we must be confident that the pitch itself and it's installation will be straightforward.
I can see that is the sensible decision and so am willing to support the club in taking it but it really is getting me down, I want to see a pitch in the middle of the bowl, to me, when the grass is there it will be a football ground with a few internal odds and ends to finish off but until then it is still a building site.

Be patient, they'll now be working to a revised programme & critical path so the pitch will probably have been pushed back until they have completed other works which was likely to always have been the case but now they've reduced the pressure of a tight deadline they can afford to take their time and get things right under a less pressured environment

Spursrmagic · Sep 5, 2018

worcestersauce said:
Ok so we now have five lighting gantries none of which have any lights on them, presumably we would have laid the pitch by now if we'd been playing Liverpool so were we originally going to install the gantries and lights after the turf was down? At the rate they are going that has to be the case which does tend to confirm the fact that we've taken a decision to delay the laying of the turf and if so, we must be confident that the pitch itself and it's installation will be straightforward.
I can see that is the sensible decision and so am willing to support the club in taking it but it really is getting me down, I want to see a pitch in the middle of the bowl, to me, when the grass is there it will be a football ground with a few internal odds and ends to finish off but until then it is still a building site.

I can't believe that the lighting gantries would ever have been installed after the pitch was laid as they needed cranes within the ground to put them together. So they wouldn't have cranes on the pitch once the turf was laid or would they?

Lighty64 · Sep 5, 2018

Coq_Au_Ginge said:
Mr AV's latest

JCRD said:
The legroom does look great - beats having the fucking seat in front dig into my knees. Would have liked cup holders - its always good to have in my view

One thing im curious about is the gap between the glass roof and the steel roof - are they like filling it or is the glass roof at such an angle that the water will drip away onto the steel roof which will run off (somewhere)?

looking at that vid pretty closely the gap between the cassettes and the glass won't be filled in. the cassettes slightly tuck under the glass and looking at the cassettes any standing water will flow the opposite direction ie… back of the stand. if it rains those at the front seats will still need brollies depending on the angle the rain falls (y)

1882andallthat · Sep 5, 2018

JCRD said:
The legroom does look great - beats having the fucking seat in front dig into my knees. Would have liked cup holders - its always good to have in my view

One thing im curious about is the gap between the glass roof and the steel roof - are they like filling it or is the glass roof at such an angle that the water will drip away onto the steel roof which will run off (somewhere)?

I'd just love us to be cup holders some time soon!!!!

thebenjamin · Sep 5, 2018

How do electricians fuck up wiring to this extent? Seems pretty fundamental, like the equivalent of a brickie building a wall that doesn't stand up.

worcestersauce · Sep 5, 2018

manic041 said:
Be patient, they'll now be working to a revised programme & critical path so the pitch will probably have been pushed back until they have completed other works which was likely to always have been the case but now they've reduced the pressure of a tight deadline they can afford to take their time and get things right under a less pressured environment

Yeah that's what I figured, and they are perfectly correct, but I am getting desperate to see the pitch laid.

Spursrmagic said:
I can't believe that the lighting gantries would ever have been installed after the pitch was laid as they needed cranes within the ground to put them together. So they wouldn't have cranes on the pitch once the turf was laid or would they?

In which case wouldn't they have finished them a week or two ago and if that is the case I don't understand why they are delaying their installation by what may be up to a month, they are not dependant on anything else surely.

worcestersauce · Sep 5, 2018

thebenjamin said:
How do electricians fuck up wiring to this extent? Seems pretty fundamental, like the equivalent of a brickie building a wall that doesn't stand up.

That's been done before.

EastLondonYid · Sep 5, 2018

Seems like Levy has got O'Riely from Fawlty Towers doing the work.

dagraham · Sep 5, 2018

EastLondonYid said:
Seems like Levy has got O'Riely from Fawlty Towers doing the work.

With Donna Cullen then beating him with an umbrella

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EastLondonYid · Sep 5, 2018

dagraham said:
With Donna Cullen then beating him with an umbrella .

And Poch being Manuel....''I know nothing''

mark87 · Sep 5, 2018

EastLondonYid said:
And Poch being Manuel....''I know nothing''

Nah, Perez is Manuel. He's Spanish and also short.

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