The Mauricio Pochettino thread

They just want to be us. I mean the majority of their fans are local. Quite funny really. Can't wait to see their faces when Poch and the players stay.

braveheart said:

https://www.tnp.sg/sports/football/richard-buxton-better-devil-you-know-poch

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Loved this quote "Manchester United are increasingly a shadow of their former selves and drowning in a self-inflicted shiny things syndrome."
Seems like there's more wisdom coming out of Singapore than Manchester.
And Singapore is a great world-class city which of course, so is London.
Manchester, decidedly, is not.
I'm sure this may be a pretty big factor for la familia Pochettino, if not Poch himself.

vegassd said:

As far as we are aware there has been no approach for Poch yet.

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You see, this is the key that the 'club needs to make a statement' brigade (sorry to label you, I love you really) seem to miss.

There is nothing to make a statement about. To do so would make us look:

a) incredibly stupid because we're talking about something that hasn't happened. Let's say, just hypothetically, that Man U have identified someone else as their top managerial target and that Poch isn't on their radar at all. Come the summer, when they do come to appoint their next permanent manager, we'd look unbelievably stupid to have rejected something that never existed in the first place; and

b) we'd also look small. We'd look panicked. We'd look insecure. We're trying to return to the days of being a club that is at the top table after years of mediocrity. Part of doing that is acting like we belong at that table. Doing the equivalent of putting our fingers in our ears and yelling, 'la la la la la. I can't hear you. I can't hear you' makes us look small.

The expression to keep in mind is, 'We won't even dignify that with a response'.

Remember, most of the press have only a single thing in mind - to sell more papers (get more clicks) and so they pander to the easiest narrative. In this case, that particular narrative states that Man U are the bigger club and that that is the only consideration when it comes to managerial appointments. For those who are angered by the "disrespect" this shows the club, the real disrespect is shows towards the ordinary non-Spurs football fan. We all have a better insight on the type of person Poch is. But most other fans don't. They only know about his ability, not his character. But that character is a difficult thing to explain, so the press don't bother. Instead, they sell the easy story, which is: "MAN U BIG, TOTTENHAM SMALL".

Don't buy it. Don't drink the Kool-Aid as our American friends might say. I know it's hard, especially for those who still rely on the traditional sports opinion press for their information. It's harder because with the sweet taste of success seemingly coming closer every day, we're terrified of the spoon being taken away before we get to sup.

Cool the jets, and don't expect anything other than silence on the part of the club until something actually happens. Put down the Sun and the Mirror and the Grauniad and all the others. Or, if you do read them, always remember that they have an agenda - to sell papers and whichever story is easiest to sell is the one they'll run, not the reality.

I have to say however much I try to ignore this I think there’s a very real possibility it could derail our season. Look what happened at Watford with Silva. And trust me the first time we slip up from here they will instantly headline “ Are rumours derailing Spurs season”. I can understand Pochettino being slightly vague on things. But he could shut this all down tomorrow with a very firm statement that under no circumstances will he be leaving Spurs in the summer. If that’s how he really feels. 6 months of this will be unbearable.

coys200 said:

I have to say however much I try to ignore this I think there’s a very real possibility it could derail our season. Look what happened at Watford with Silva. And trust me the first time we slip up from here they will instantly headline “ Are rumours derailing Spurs season”. I can understand Pochettino being slightly vague on things. But he could shut this all down tomorrow with a very firm statement that under no circumstances will he be leaving Spurs in the summer. If that’s how he really feels. 6 months of this will be unbearable.

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I see where you're coming from, but for all we know, this is exactly what he's telling the players.

Poch's face

coys200 said:

I have to say however much I try to ignore this I think there’s a very real possibility it could derail our season. Look what happened at Watford with Silva. And trust me the first time we slip up from here they will instantly headline “ Are rumours derailing Spurs season”. I can understand Pochettino being slightly vague on things. But he could shut this all down tomorrow with a very firm statement that under no circumstances will he be leaving Spurs in the summer. If that’s how he really feels. 6 months of this will be unbearable.

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There's a massive difference. Everton actually made an approach for Silva - that's when the wheels came off. It wasn't the media speculation that caused that.

worcestersauce said:

You have to wonder how the Manchester United fraternity and media that are all running with the Man Utd are the greatest draw in the world nobody would turn them down narrative, if and when Poch stays at Spurs, will they question whether United are no longer the biggest draw in the world or will they just go for the Pochottino has no ambition angle? I'm pretty sure I know which one they'll go for but I also know which one I'll be throwing their way, I live in hopeful anticipation.

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reminds of the press conference in the summer when the reporter says to Poch "nobody turns down Real Madrid do they, you can't turn them down", to which Poch responded, maybe you can't turn them down but you are not me.........then he turned them down.

If he does, Spurs will get no acknowledgement that the club is a very different animal to 10 years ago when Berba left. The media narrative will be that Poch has no ambition.

starting to hate the whole media, can't be arsed with sky or BT anymore other than the actual games, or traditional podcasts from the BBC or Telegraph. Only listen to fan podcasts now

rez9000 said:

There's a massive difference. Everton actually made an approach for Silva - that's when the wheels came off. It wasn't the media speculation that caused that.

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I don't think that was difference and I think we do a disservice to Poch by making the comparison. With Silva he made it clear he wanted to go immediately and Harry was actively whoring himself in the media for the England job.

Posh may or may not go, i don't know. But i am certain he will not agitate for a move or act unprofessionally. That's not who he is and that's just one reason why we all love him to bits

so I go away for a bloody week and Moaninho gets the push and in a few days I'm expected to catch up on 60 odd pages

Lighty64 said:

so I go away for a bloody week and Moaninho gets the push and in a few days I'm expected to catch up on 60 odd pages

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Got anything better to do????

Lighty64 said:

so I go away for a bloody week and Moaninho gets the push and in a few days I'm expected to catch up on 60 odd pages

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Once you’re done reading them, there will be a test.

Well it's nice to know there's so many conspiracy nuts on this board, I'm expecting Alex Jones to pop up any minute to decry the lizard jews news people who want to keep us down but we'll rise up and stop the frogs from turning gay. It's a news story, so the news people will run news stories so people click on their news stories until the next news story comes up. It's people filling pages so they dont get fired, thats it.



Oh and i mean the mad racist bloated racist **** from America, not the lovely at times irritatingly chirpy welsh lady from Wales.

yankspurs said:

Column on why Jamie Carragher’s a delusional scouse ****

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Aren’t they all?

Tucker said:

Once you’re done reading them, there will be a test.

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answer: Pass

at a guess 80% very, very worried supporters 10% shitting it the other 10% expect him to stay

Paolo10 said:

The speculation won't stop regardless.

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So what as long as it isn't in our own press conferences about our team and our manager who gives a fuck. Press officer was 100% right and in fact was over polite. As for Carragher he can go fuck himself he's only mouthing off because pool are looking good.

Lighty64 said:

so I go away for a bloody week and Moaninho gets the push and in a few days I'm expected to catch up on 60 odd pages

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If you want to read pages and pages of melties be my guest.

Aside from the discussion about what will/may/may not happen, I’ve been thinking about the psychology behind a lot of what is being said about us as a fan base (and what is evident on this forum, myself included).

[Links: Football.London, Independent]

We are a really negative bunch. Pochettino references fan criticism of our transfer policy (or lack thereof), individual signings and importantly I think he also understands what underlines this psychology.

It's almost as much fun to moan about stuff as it is to celebrate - of course that's tongue in cheek but I wonder if we as a fan group need to be more positive, arrogant and confident about this exceptional side.

Fuck "trophies" and a random cup here and there. We are on route to winning the league. Fuck Man Utd and their has been time. Toby may leave, Eriksen may leave but we'll be fine. We have a vision and a manager to match. He tells us he's focussed on Spurs and his project - so let's (try to) do the same.

vegassd said:

I don't think he's having a pop at the fans really. It's more a case of saying that having a negative opinion as your default position isn't really helpful to anyone. He talks a lot about getting players to have belief in themselves and not holding themselves back in fear of making an error. Now I think he's trying to extend/promote that kind of belief to the fans.

It's worth bearing in mind that something can be said in a press conference which is taken out of context when reported and then misinterpreted by the people who read it. Poch's commens about being brave last summer are a classic case... does being brave mean spending lots of money or does it mean not spending for the sake of it and believing in the current squad? It can be interpreted either way depending on your outlook I think.

When Poch opens his empty pockets maybe it's because he's bored to tears with questions about spending. We spent nothing in the summer yet are third in the league, in the CL knockouts and in the Carabao semis. But the questions about spending keep coming, so why not have a bit of a laugh? Again, something that can be interpreted multiple ways based on your outlook.

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Yeah sure but why’s the positive interpretation right? You talk like anyone who takes an alternative view is somehow wrong, Like a politician, keeping your answers vague is a tactic so you can never be nailed down.

He wasn’t happy we didn’t buy anyone. He’s made the most of it but he wasn’t happy and he made that clear. If things hadn’t gone so well it could be very different. But now they’ve gone ok, he’s rewriting history and effectively saying I always knew it would be ok and I never wanted to sign anyone, why didn’t you trust me. Which is bollocks and hypocritical.

Jamie Carragher is disrespecting both clubs at the highest order.. He is shaming both clubs at once.

Coming from a scouser I'm not surprised. But please, just fuck off.