The Mauricio Pochettino thread

SirNiNyHotspur · Jan 7, 2019

Yep, think we're reaching a pivotal point with new stadium, Pochs ambition, and whether Levy can match that by loosening the purse strings, I wouldn't think Levy likes Poch saying all this stuff publicly nor would want to redirect his property purse to more risky ventures such as buying football players for a football club so writing may be on the wall...

Johnny J · Jan 7, 2019

So, Poch has finally come out and said that to win stuff will be very hard unless we do things differently. Clearly a message to Levy and the board.

neogenisis · Jan 7, 2019

Thing is, because of the media driven grail of Poch to Man Utd everything he says is taken in a negative light. I didnt read it like that at all, I read as Poch basically saying what everybody knows to be true. Maybe is it designed with a little Oi Daniel in mind but but it certainly doesnt read as writing on the wall or a Mourinho dig.

Calming of the tits is still required.

Colonel_Klinck · Jan 7, 2019

If the club can afford it we need to back Poch. How much is he worth? What could it cost us if he leaves? Best manager in my 41 years of supporting Spurs. Let’s hope Daniel can make some serious money available and get the players Poch wants.

thecook · Jan 7, 2019

Johnny J said:
So, Poch has finally come out and said that to win stuff will be very hard unless we do things differently. Clearly a message to Levy and the board.

I read that as him reminding Levy of what he said last summer about us needing to be brave

SpartanSpur · Jan 7, 2019

Poch used the 'do things differently' line in the BT Sport interview and it seemed like something he was proud of, certainly didn't come across as a complaint or message to Levy.

Edit: I think it is Levy's plan to pay big money eventually and I think Poch believes him.

am_yisrael_chai · Jan 7, 2019

vegassd said:
Remember that if your view is different to AYC's it must be because you are stupid and you don't understand enough about money! He's laid it out fairly clearly in previous posts.

I do find it funny the amount of "Poch is sending a message to Levy" notions that we get in here. It's as if some people can't imagine Poch & Levy having regular meetings together or ever speaking on the phone. He's giving as honest an answer as possible to the press without giving away any sordid details.

If he is talking about how tough it's been the past five years and how things will have to change for the next five it might just suggest at there having been a ten year plan when he was recruited. If our on-pitch achievements are running ahead of the plan that's great... but it doesn't mean you have to create a new plan and risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's been almost 60 years since we last won the league... have a bit of patience everyone.

I’ve got to commend you on your ability to constantly see the positive Levy aspect in anything that happens. If as you suggest Poch and Levy are on the same page then why do you suggest he made these comments to the press ? To tell everyone just how well they get on and that at their last meeting they agreed things would change ? Is that why he quoted the European transfer league stat with Spurs at the bottom because he is ecstatic with that and he was celebrating it with Levy at their last meeting ?

I think you should reach out to 10 Downing Street because they really need your type of skills.

am_yisrael_chai · Jan 7, 2019

SpartanSpur said:
Poch used the 'do things differently' line in the BT Sport interview and it seemed like something he was proud of, certainly didn't come across as a complaint or message to Levy.

Edit: I think it is Levy's plan to pay big money eventually and I think Poch believes him.

Watch today’s interview rather than reading the text, you will hear that Poch definitely isn’t saying being different is something he is proud of. He is being explicit, although not explicit enough for some on here, that if the club want him to deliver league titles and CL then the club needs to invest more in the playing staff.

jay2040 · Jan 7, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
Watch today’s interview rather than reading the text, you will hear that Poch definitely isn’t saying being different is something he is proud of. He is being explicit, although not explicit enough for some on here, that if the club want him to deliver league titles and CL then the club needs to invest more in the playing staff.

Thats plain for anyone to see. We need to make sure we dont stagnate, even Man City spunked the cash on Mahrez which was not a necessity yet keeps them evolving. I really hope Levy is not the catalyst for his departure!

dtxspurs · Jan 7, 2019

JJ on twitter saying those quotes were a "gentle prod" from Poch.

Metalhead · Jan 7, 2019

neogenisis said:
Thing is, because of the media driven grail of Poch to Man Utd everything he says is taken in a negative light. I didnt read it like that at all, I read as Poch basically saying what everybody knows to be true. Maybe is it designed with a little Oi Daniel in mind but but it certainly doesnt read as writing on the wall or a Mourinho dig.

Calming of the tits is still required.

Poch would never moan like Mourinho. That doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't frustrated with the situation or that there isn't a possibility that he might take the united job. Whatever will be, will be but I think that we need to stop kidding ourselves that 'oh he definitely won't take it this time, maybe in the future' as there is definitely a chance that he might feel that there is only so far that he can take the club on a limited budget.

SpartanSpur · Jan 7, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
Watch today’s interview rather than reading the text, you will hear that Poch definitely isn’t saying being different is something he is proud of. He is being explicit, although not explicit enough for some on here, that if the club want him to deliver league titles and CL then the club needs to invest more in the playing staff.

Of course he'll try and exert some pressure, but the leap to 'the writings on the wall re Utd' on the last couple of pages is probably too far.

Also for all we know Levy totally agrees that more will be needed to truly challenge, he's not a fool.

Hoping Danny is right about the embargoed comments.

vegassd · Jan 7, 2019

scat1620 said:
It's not my concerns with the board's spending plans that worries me; it's the plainly-stated concerns that our superstar manager raised about those plans today that does.

Do you think that Poch only just realised today that money would need to be spent to win the league? Of course not.

When Spurs hired him and his team it would not have been on a whim. There would have been a plan in place including performance targets and spending constraints. This will happen for almost all manager appointments I would imagine, but in our case it would have had the stadium build included in the timeline.

So Spurs ask him that for the first five years whilst they build the stadium, does he feel capable of building a team to get CL once it opens, given the spending constraints.

In the next five years I imagine they asked if he can build a team to win the league. What sort of money might be required. What else does he feel would be needed.

All of this will have been planned and financially forecast way in advance. The club’s budget is in the hundreds of millions so they aren’t running the show from one day to another.

Now it turns out Poch is better than we could have hoped and has the team way ahead of this plan. So what should the club do? Stick to the plan or throw caution to the wind and potentially rock the boat? A lot of us fans would love the gung-ho approach but I don’t think it would be prudent.

Poch is a pro, as is Levy. They aren’t sending each other messages through the press. They aren’t making up the budget every Monday morning. They’ve formed plans together with input from both sides... it’s how organisations function.

The reason that Poch says this stuff in press outings is because he gets asked about spending and trophies all the time. What else is he meant to say?

scat1620 · Jan 7, 2019

vegassd said:
Do you think that Poch only just realised today that money would need to be spent to win the league? Of course not.

When Spurs hired him and his team it would not have been on a whim. There would have been a plan in place including performance targets and spending constraints. This will happen for almost all manager appointments I would imagine, but in our case it would have had the stadium build included in the timeline.

So Spurs ask him that for the first five years whilst they build the stadium, does he feel capable of building a team to get CL once it opens, given the spending constraints.

In the next five years I imagine they asked if he can build a team to win the league. What sort of money might be required. What else does he feel would be needed.

All of this will have been planned and financially forecast way in advance. The club’s budget is in the hundreds of millions so they aren’t running the show from one day to another.

Now it turns out Poch is better than we could have hoped and has the team way ahead of this plan. So what should the club do? Stick to the plan or throw caution to the wind and potentially rock the boat? A lot of us fans would love the gung-ho approach but I don’t think it would be prudent.

Poch is a pro, as is Levy. They aren’t sending each other messages through the press. They aren’t making up the budget every Monday morning. They’ve formed plans together with input from both sides... it’s how organisations function.

The reason that Poch says this stuff in press outings is because he gets asked about spending and trophies all the time. What else is he meant to say?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/page-590#post-6149827

spursfan77 · Jan 7, 2019

All Poch is doing is saying that we’ve done it one way since he’s been here but if we want to really push on (be brave) then we need to change our transfer strategy and spend some cash. He’ll know that TA and CE aren’t likely to be here next season. Replacing them will cost a shedload of cash. That’s all he’s talking about, if you ask me.

dtxspurs · Jan 7, 2019

The man wants to spend some fucking money. It ain't that complicated fellas.

Mr Pink · Jan 7, 2019

StevePil said:
Poch aint sticking around in the summer, he has come out twice now and told Levy he needs to change the ways.
Yes he has also said he wants to win titles with spurs but if man utd come knocking in the summer, he goes.

If Poch had already made his mind up about leaving he wouldnt be applying pressure in the media. No point.

I think his quotes are tremendously positive, indicating he really wants to be here in the midst of all this talk about United.

But in order for him to be certain about his future he knows we need to adapt and behave differently in the market.

He's proved he can deliver a team greater than the sum of it's individual parts - that's the real test. He improves just about everybody he works with.

He knows he's good, and he knows others would back him.

Levy's priority should be keeping Poch happy at all costs, if ever there was a time to adapt our approach its now.

WiganSpur · Jan 7, 2019

dtxspurs said:
JJ on twitter saying those quotes were a "gentle prod" from Poch.

It's hard to argue with that conclusion. Seems like he wants at least one in this window.

We're still in 4 competitions, the squad will need serious work in the summer, and we could bring in someone who could adapt themselves for 6 months before next season. It really does make sense to bring in someone now whether it's a midfield player or a forward.

g_harry · Jan 7, 2019

What I get from this all is we are fucked.
Levy hired Poch to get team in top four for new stadium. He has fulfilled his job with honour. He actually has fallen in love with spurs and has Spurs possibly in a better position than he imagined. He wants to win trophies, he has spurs very close and wants to try it here but now needs big investment to get there. If no major investment comes then he can't win trophies with spurs. Therefore he will have to really consider his position as Spurs manager. It's now over to Levy. I think he could cost the club far more Millions not backing Poch than giving him 200m to spend.

vegassd · Jan 7, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
I’ve got to commend you on your ability to constantly see the positive Levy aspect in anything that happens. If as you suggest Poch and Levy are on the same page then why do you suggest he made these comments to the press ? To tell everyone just how well they get on and that at their last meeting they agreed things would change ? Is that why he quoted the European transfer league stat with Spurs at the bottom because he is ecstatic with that and he was celebrating it with Levy at their last meeting ?

I think you should reach out to 10 Downing Street because they really need your type of skills.

I’m never sure why you feel the need to be insulting like that when you post mate - surely we can debate views without you insinuating I’m a political operative all the time?

I don’t feel like everything Levy does is positive. I think that he’s a professional adult and runs his business based on long-term goals rather than short-term pandering.

In your post you are talking about their “last meeting” as if it’s relevant. What I’m saying is the plans they have made will have been done throughout many meetings over many years. We get a press conference sound bite and tend to read into every last word in the context of now, but in reality this stuff is a progression of a long-term plan.

I think you can very easily read Poch’s comments as him saying he can’t win the league without spending, but he’s not worried about that just yet because that wasn’t the plan. He got the team ahead of the plan and now needs to let the plan (eg. Stadium build) catch up to him.

I think he’s dead right that our spending model needs to change in order to win the big trophies. But I don’t think he’s sending a message to Levy through the press. He has plenty of opportunities to tell Levy what he needs during their daily business.

What I find annoying is the sensationalism that has to exist around everything. Fans slag off the media for it but do it just as much themselves. The idea that Poch says something in a presser and that must mean he’s frustrated and “sending a message” is a playground mentality imo and I sincerely hope the people running our club are above that.

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